“Don’t pay Dak” crowd, what’s your QB solution?

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1. No doubt
2. Tannehill made a run to the AFCCG and cashed in for $29.5M. If Dalton were to start for us and made a similar run, there is no way he settles for $20M. He will want that last big contract, and it would likely be at Tannehill's level.
3. You keep saying our WR's were superior, yet they dropped balls at a higher rate than Cincy's. While I do agree that Cooper/Gallup were better that what Cincy rolled out, Cobb and Witten were not all that good for us.
4. That's certainly the hope.

i agree. My whole worry about Dak is that we pay 35-38 mil and he ends up folding at crucial games. Then it is too late to rectify that situation as his salary would have sucked all the cap space. We are locked with a mediocre QB for 5 years. He has had flashes but he is very inconsistant and scary bad in crucial games when the run game is stopped by the opposition. Not to mention that dak has lost many supporters by his latest antics . His every move will be scrutinized by the fans . This is the type of pressure that may see him unravel.
 

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There has been no deal this year and the price has been raised so I don't think you can say that it's due to increases necessarily.
Its a year later salary cap going up. And the baseline is goff's deal. And did you see goff play this year? Did you see Dak play this year? Dak bet on himself and won. Jerry and Stephen drug their feet and lost.
 

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i agree. My whole worry about Dak is that we pay 35-38 mil and he ends up folding at crucial games. Then it is too late to rectify that situation as his salary would have sucked all the cap space. We are locked with a mediocre QB for 5 years. He has had flashes but he is very inconsistant and scary bad in crucial games when the run game is stopped by the opposition. Not to mention that dak has lost many supporters by his latest antics . His every move will be scrutinized by the fans . This is the type of pressure that may see him unravel.
So bringing us back against GB in 2016 qb draw for a 2pt conversion to tie wasn't big time? Sealing the win against Seattle in the playoffs with that 3rd down run? 2nd since 2016 with 14 game winning drives. My goodness I don't care that you don't want to pay dak but at least come with actual facts. You sound like a bitter female with constant lies to try and get a point across. Inconsistent? Show me examples you just throw your crap against your wall with no substance to back it up. typical of ppl with little brains
 

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Its a year later salary cap going up. And the baseline is goff's deal. And did you see goff play this year? Did you see Dak play this year? Dak bet on himself and won. Jerry and Stephen drug their feet and lost.

As has the offer made to Dak. I mean, the offer on the table, regardless of if I think he is worth the money or not, is at the top of the market. All we've heard is that Dak needs to be offered a fair deal or Dak needs to be paid market value. To me, Jerry has put that offer on the table. If Dak and CAA do not want to pick it up, there is really nothing Jerry can do. He can't just continue to increase the offer because clearly that will never end. Dak has shown that. I don't really think the team has much of a choice on this one.

I did see Goff and Dak play this year. IMO, that's exactly why you don't pay Dak. If you believe Jerry and Stephen drug their feet, that's fine. I don't believe that but whatever. We'll see who wins and loses on this. I don't believe this is over yet so you can't really say one side or the other has won or lost IMO.
 

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As has the offer made to Dak. I mean, the offer on the table, regardless of if I think he is worth the money or not, is at the top of the market. All we've heard is that Dak needs to be offered a fair deal or Dak needs to be paid market value. To me, Jerry has put that offer on the table. If Dak and CAA do not want to pick it up, there is really nothing Jerry can do. He can't just continue to increase the offer because clearly that will never end. Dak has shown that. I don't really think the team has much of a choice on this one.

I did see Goff and Dak play this year. IMO, that's exactly why you don't pay Dak. If you believe Jerry and Stephen drug their feet, that's fine. I don't believe that but whatever. We'll see who wins and loses on this. I don't believe this is over yet so you can't really say one side or the other has won or lost IMO.
There are many reports that they have barley even talked. They didn't even contact daks camp a month after the season was over. If I wanted my QB I would have meeting after meeting after meeting to get a deal done. If the agent didn't want to have those meetings or talk I would air them out. Put outside pressure on them to get a deal done. The real thing is jerry is busy chillin on his boat they vacation every year and everything gets put on hold.

Playing devil's advocate let's say they don't want dak back. What is the direction? No attempts to trade him? Just let a commodity go on the market freely? If he plays on the tag we aren't going to be a bad team. Most likely in the playoff hunt so picking 17-32 with him playing. Far away from getting a top qb in the draft. This front office has made some head scratching moves of late.
 

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Its a year later salary cap going up. And the baseline is goff's deal. And did you see goff play this year? Did you see Dak play this year? Dak bet on himself and won. Jerry and Stephen drug their feet and lost.
Did you see the line that Goff played behind last season? The Rams let two linemen go after the Superbowl, starters suffered injuries, vets regressed and young guys didn't step up. Yet Goff was only sacked 22 times during the season. The indication is that he did a pretty good job of evading pressure last season.

I'm not even a fan of Goff but there needs to be consistency. You can't give Prescott a pass for the few games Tyron Smith didn't play resulting in Prescott playing like a poor mans Tim Tebow yet just criticise Goff for playing badly behind one of the worst lines in the league last season.
 

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There are many reports that they have barley even talked. They didn't even contact daks camp a month after the season was over. If I wanted my QB I would have meeting after meeting after meeting to get a deal done. If the agent didn't want to have those meetings or talk I would air them out. Put outside pressure on them to get a deal done. The real thing is jerry is busy chillin on his boat they vacation every year and everything gets put on hold.

Playing devil's advocate let's say they don't want dak back. What is the direction? No attempts to trade him? Just let a commodity go on the market freely? If he plays on the tag we aren't going to be a bad team. Most likely in the playoff hunt so picking 17-32 with him playing. Far away from getting a top qb in the draft. This front office has made some head scratching moves of late.

Why? If you already know what the answer is going to be, why would you continue to meet? The deal is on the table, it's up to Dak and his camp to accept or not. Remember, the Cowboys no France and CAA. It's the same agency that represented Romo. It's not like they don't know what to expect from this agent. They know exactly what is going on IMO.

Maybe the best deal is out there and has been out there for awhile now. IDK.
 

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Did you see the line that Goff played behind last season? The Rams let two linemen go after the Superbowl, starters suffered injuries, vets regressed and young guys didn't step up. Yet Goff was only sacked 22 times during the season. The indication is that he did a pretty good job of evading pressure last season.

I'm not even a fan of Goff but there needs to be consistency. You can't give Prescott a pass for the few games Tyron Smith didn't play resulting in Prescott playing like a poor mans Tim Tebow yet just criticise Goff for playing badly behind one of the worst lines in the league last season.
Lol we are going to blame the offensive line yet he was only sacked 22 times. You want to see a bad o line go watch our O line in 2018. Dak running for his life constantly with no one getting open. Still made the playoffs, pro bowl appearance, and a playoff win.
 

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Why? If you already know what the answer is going to be, why would you continue to meet? The deal is on the table, it's up to Dak and his camp to accept or not. Remember, the Cowboys no France and CAA. It's the same agency that represented Romo. It's not like they don't know what to expect from this agent. They know exactly what is going on IMO.

Maybe the best deal is out there and has been out there for awhile now. IDK.
Dak's camp will have zero urgency. He bet on himself and won. He knows it and so does his agency. The front office needs to push this to happen. Dak has the leverage.
 

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I will dedicate ONE last question to the smartest one,

So if what all the ex Cowboy's are saying is true than wouldn't it also be true that of the 60 different times that Dak & Zeke have played together..... in all of those 60 games.... with 60 different D coordinators and all their assistant's. Would just ONCE of those 60 game plans would they be out to stop Dak first and Zeke second.... and yet all 60 times it is always the same game plan answer.... we have to stop Zeke first and just let Dak throw the football.

Funny when Mahomes plays.... Or Brady... Or Peyton Manning.... it is a victory for the Defense if the QB will simply just hand the ball off to the RB.
Another words stop Zeke and force Dak to beat them with their passing?

Or Dak throwing the ball is less to worry about than the OL and Zeke and/or Pollard.

Yes. I think that is correct and logical.

Dak ain't Roger's in his accuracy or his reading of defenses.

Which is why having drafted CeeDee may really prove to not have as much effect on the offense as we all drool over.

Dak is STILL on his learning curve with those skills. Only with weaker teams does Dak dominate a game passing.

So as everybody rushes to throw money at Dak and say everything is better..

Hmmmm...
 

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Dak's camp will have zero urgency. He bet on himself and won. He knows it and so does his agency. The front office needs to push this to happen. Dak has the leverage.

Well, you and I see winning differently Hennessy. I don't think Dak has won. I think that he is, as of now, set to play on the tag and make less money then is on the table for him. Less then what was on the table for him a year ago. I think he's lost money that he will never get back. I don't see that as winning.

Bottom line, the front office doesn't have to do anything. They can just continue on the path that this is headed and work the problem. It's true that Dak might get a contract elsewhere but that doesn't mean it's in Dallas. On the other hand, Dak may end up signing the deal on the table and move on with life. Declaring victory is easy to do but at this point, there is no proof of either side winning or losing.

That's the truth.
 

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Another words stop Zeke and force Dak to beat them with their passing?

Or Dak throwing the ball is less to worry about than the OL and Zeke and/or Pollard.

Yes. I think that is correct and logical.

Dak ain't Roger's in his accuracy or his reading of defenses.

Which is why having drafted CeeDee may really prove to not have as much effect on the offense as we all drool over.

Dak is STILL on his learning curve with those skills. Only with weaker teams does Dak dominate a game passing.

So as everybody rushes to throw money at Dak and say everything is better..

Hmmmm...
Did you know Dak is better against teams with a winning record than Romo?
 

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Lol.. look at you all stuff on that horse!
One thing I learned about doing things in a shirt like that and trying to do work: keep the arms closed when someone is taking a pic of you.

Happens all the time for me. You you know why- ahem... pit stains.


That was a picture honoring my brother who died of cancer.
 

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Well football 101 is always to stop the run first. From Pee-wee to the pros. A team doesn’t have to run 150yrds a game. All they have to do is be able to run effectively and impose their will. You stop that, and you have a chance to win against any team.
The Chiefs scored 5 straight touchdowns against the Titans and called 1 run play. The entire Titans culture is about running and stopping the run.

The run game is mostly irrelevant in 2020.
 

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The Chiefs scored 5 straight touchdowns against the Titans and called 1 run play. The entire Titans culture is about running and stopping the run.

The run game is mostly irrelevant in 2020.
Totally disagree. The Chiefs had 112 yrds rushing in that game vs. the Titans 85. Now Mahomes is probably the best QB playing right now and can certainly do some damage but even he still needs a running game to consistently when games.
 

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Totally disagree. The Chiefs had 112 yrds rushing in that game vs. the Titans 85. Now Mahomes is probably the best QB playing right now and can certainly do some damage but even he still needs a running game to consistently when games.
Mahomes was their leading rusher and it was almost exclusively on passing plays.

He does not need a running game. They literally scored 5 TDs in a row without even trying to run.
 

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Totally disagree. The Chiefs had 112 yrds rushing in that game vs. the Titans 85. Now Mahomes is probably the best QB playing right now and can certainly do some damage but even he still needs a running game to consistently when games.
He almost screwed up in the SB. He threw 2 picks and if the 49ers doubled down on the run like they did in there playoff game then they could have won that game. Ran the ball and scored and kept mahomes off the field. But they chose to let gurapilo throw the ball around...
 

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You need a running game. It doesn't have to be the bread and butter of your Offense but you can't be one dimensional against good teams. You will get beat if you do that.
 
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