The “refs are out to get us” evidence is actually thin

Whirlwin · Jun 9, 2020

I think it will be different under McCarthy

Whirlwin · Jun 9, 2020

Aviano90 said:
Perceptions rarely change despite the evidence. I am learning to just let hard headed morons remain hard headed morons.

It’s always about perception. But I don’t buy into any of the propaganda

Whirlwin · Jun 9, 2020

Kaiser said:
Gosh, it only took a page for this schtick to show up in the thread.

The NFL later admitted Dez made the catch and the Butler call wasn't correct because he never entered the huddle. You can kinda, sorta imagine the wording being OK with that thread but its a call that hadn't been enforced in 10+ years.

I don’t think the point is, whether he made the catch or not. Did they make the call on purpose is the point. And no I don’t think so . As much as I would like to think so

Kaiser · Jun 9, 2020

Whirlwin said:
I don’t think the point is, whether he made the catch or not. Did they make the call on purpose is the point. And no I don’t think so . As much as I would like to think so

Sure, but with Dez you have to twist into so many pretzels to get to that decision its hard to see a difference between it being intentional or just trying really hard to be bad. And I've said since the day of that game that Green Bay would still win that game, even if Dallas scored on the next play Rodgers would have taken the Packers down the field to win it at the end.

The Butler call was the same way, they dreamed up something to call at a critical point that did change the momentum and change the game. There may be an innocent explanation but you can't blame people who say it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.

I don't think there is a "conspiracy against Dallas" but I do think calls and non-calls go the way of the most profitable path for the NFL.

Whirlwin · Jun 9, 2020

Kaiser said:
Sure, but with Dez you have to twist into so many pretzels to get to that decision its hard to see a difference between it being intentional or just trying really hard to be bad. And I've said since the day of that game that Green Bay would still win that game, even if Dallas scored on the next play Rodgers would have taken the Packers down the win to win it at the end.

The Butler call was the same way, they dreamed up something to call at a critical point that did change the momentum and change the game. There may be an innocent explanation but you can't blame people who say it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.

I don't think there is a "conspiracy against Dallas" but I do think calls and non-calls go the way of the most profitable path for the NFL.

Jeff heat the interception. But A penalty nullified it if I’m correct. Yeah we keep getting screwed. But I think it’s our own damn fault

Established1971 · Jun 9, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Every year, during every Cowboys game, the cries of “These refs are out to get us”, or “Goodell has this crew paid off to get us” go out. But it does beg the question, Is this really true? What evidence do we have that we are getting hosed by the guys in stripes?

Looking at the number of total penalties called during the season is one way to look at the big picture of how often the Cowboys are being flagged during games compared to the rest of the league. Here’s a link to a pretty good free site to examine penalties called: https://www.nflpenalties.com/phase.php?year=2018

Here’s how the Cowboys stacked up last year when it came to penalties called against us:

The Cowboys were 21st in the NFL last year in total number of penalties called against us. In other words, 20 of the 32 teams in the NFL had more penalties called than we did.

We were ranked 10th in the league in offensive holding calls against us, which is in the top third. But here’s some perspective: We were called 25 times for offensive holding. Our opponents were called 25 times last year for offensive holding. Can’t say we were unequally called.

In a year when defensive holding was seemingly called constantly, the Cowboys were ranked 24th in number of defensive holding calls.

So looking at 2019 in the penalties called department, it looks like we weren’t penalized as much as most teams.
one thing I will say is the quality of refereeing in the NFL has dropped in my opinion. But I don’t think any one team has been the beneficiary of the refs bad calls. This is a problem the NFL needs to address. It’s not a fairness issue as much as a quality issue.

eh, its just a thing all fans say, probably more Cowboy fans. I do think that when there is some ruling from the commissioners office on some suspension or something that the league is out to get us, but not the refs on the field. And not just Goodell, Tagliabue too.

Corso · Jun 9, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Every year, during every Cowboys game, the cries of “These refs are out to get us”, or “Goodell has this crew paid off to get us” go out. But it does beg the question, Is this really true? What evidence do we have that we are getting hosed by the guys in stripes?

Looking at the number of total penalties called during the season is one way to look at the big picture of how often the Cowboys are being flagged during games compared to the rest of the league. Here’s a link to a pretty good free site to examine penalties called: https://www.nflpenalties.com/phase.php?year=2018

Here’s how the Cowboys stacked up last year when it came to penalties called against us:

The Cowboys were 21st in the NFL last year in total number of penalties called against us. In other words, 20 of the 32 teams in the NFL had more penalties called than we did.

We were ranked 10th in the league in offensive holding calls against us, which is in the top third. But here’s some perspective: We were called 25 times for offensive holding. Our opponents were called 25 times last year for offensive holding. Can’t say we were unequally called.

In a year when defensive holding was seemingly called constantly, the Cowboys were ranked 24th in number of defensive holding calls.

So looking at 2019 in the penalties called department, it looks like we weren’t penalized as much as most teams.
one thing I will say is the quality of refereeing in the NFL has dropped in my opinion. But I don’t think any one team has been the beneficiary of the refs bad calls. This is a problem the NFL needs to address. It’s not a fairness issue as much as a quality issue.

This all goes back to a post I shared a few years ago:
I know a pro ref. Not in the NFL.
He's been a friend for a couple decades.

He always maintained that refs definitely controlled games not through calls, but through non-calls.

Calls put eyeballs on you. Non-calls are easier to push and pull.

I don't know how anyone could put a quantifiable number on non-calls though.

And I'm not necessarily saying there is a conspiracy against the Cowboys, but refs have been indicted- even in the NBA.

Hardline · Jun 9, 2020

We tend to focus on the Cowboys since that's our team.
Any fan base is going to say their team gets screwed by penalties and no calls.

Corso · Jun 9, 2020

Hardline said:
We tend to focus on the Cowboys since that's our team.
Any fan base is going to say their team gets screwed by penalties and no calls.

Sometimes some teams do get screwed. It's a reality.
Gambling is real and hedging is real and manipulation by outside forces is real.
It was real before and it's real now.

You want to think everything is all fair and honest? I'd like to join this Pollyannaland.

TheHerd · Jun 9, 2020

After watching the Saints playoff games the last few years it's hard to argue the refs aren't helping some teams win games.

cowboyec · Jun 9, 2020

it's not the number.
it's WHEN they are called against us.
or how many times DLaw is in the midst of a sleeper hold and theres no call.
or how they flag Tyron for holding but don't call the same technique used by other guys.
or jerry kramer jumping off-sides.
or that bogus fumble recovery awarded to baltimore in super bowl v.
or that crap TD given to john mackey.
or how the steelers played sb 10 and had 0 calls against them.
or that bogus p.i. call in sb xiii....or the excellent block by the official on charlie waters preventing him from making a play on franco.
and the no call of pass interference on Michael by deion vs san fran in the 94 nfc title game.
and the bogus call on Dez' OBVIOUS catch.

while we're at it...thanx alot goodell you empty suited dim witted no talent funny talkin' rat infested swamp-puke.

acr731 · Jun 9, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Every year, during every Cowboys game, the cries of “These refs are out to get us”, or “Goodell has this crew paid off to get us” go out. But it does beg the question, Is this really true? What evidence do we have that we are getting hosed by the guys in stripes?

Looking at the number of total penalties called during the season is one way to look at the big picture of how often the Cowboys are being flagged during games compared to the rest of the league. Here’s a link to a pretty good free site to examine penalties called: https://www.nflpenalties.com/phase.php?year=2018

Here’s how the Cowboys stacked up last year when it came to penalties called against us:

The Cowboys were 21st in the NFL last year in total number of penalties called against us. In other words, 20 of the 32 teams in the NFL had more penalties called than we did.

We were ranked 10th in the league in offensive holding calls against us, which is in the top third. But here’s some perspective: We were called 25 times for offensive holding. Our opponents were called 25 times last year for offensive holding. Can’t say we were unequally called.

In a year when defensive holding was seemingly called constantly, the Cowboys were ranked 24th in number of defensive holding calls.

So looking at 2019 in the penalties called department, it looks like we weren’t penalized as much as most teams.
one thing I will say is the quality of refereeing in the NFL has dropped in my opinion. But I don’t think any one team has been the beneficiary of the refs bad calls. This is a problem the NFL needs to address. It’s not a fairness issue as much as a quality issue.

The refs aren't out to get the Cowboys, Bob. They're out to get you. Watch your six buddy.

Corso · Jun 9, 2020

acr731 said:
The refs aren't out to get the Cowboys, Bob. They're out to get you. Watch your six buddy.

Refs are regularly regular dudes, but they do get approached by heavies from time to time. And those heavies hire heavies to get heavy.
Ya dig?

TheMarathonContinues · Jun 9, 2020

Bobhaze said:
What if it’s warranted?

If it’s warranted then it is what it is.

Corso · Jun 9, 2020

Corso said:
This all goes back to a post I shared a few years ago:
I know a pro ref. Not in the NFL.
He's been a friend for a couple decades.

He always maintained that refs definitely controlled games not through calls, but through non-calls.

Calls put eyeballs on you. Non-calls are easier to push and pull.

I don't know how anyone could put a quantifiable number on non-calls though.

And I'm not necessarily saying there is a conspiracy against the Cowboys, but refs have been indicted- even in the NBA.

CalPolyTechnique · Jun 9, 2020

Kaiser said:
Was your post, #25 in this thread, edited, yes or no?

What are you heehawing about donkey?

I posted verbatim what xwalker claimed in post #25, and provided the actual screenshot in post #31.

In post #35 I posted my response to his claim with the screenshot.

Man up, you got caught lying AGAIN.

And I’m still waiting for you to solve the math problem. Maybe if you “walk across the campus” of Caltech it’ll help.

:laugh:

Corso · Jun 9, 2020

Did I just insanely agree with myself?
What just happened?
Thank god it's date night and I'm about out.

Now my mental mistakes might make my wife laugh while we watch Braveheart.
She's never seen it before.

Xelda · Jun 9, 2020

Last year wasn't a problem with referees. We were imploding and they didn't bother to get in the way.

Hennessy_King · Jun 9, 2020

I typically dont have many gripes but the playoff game in 2016 was an absolute snake job by the refs. There were 4 awful calls that directly correlated to points in favor of GB. If one of those calls go the right way we win the game.

Mannix · Jun 9, 2020

-------I care about when they are called. And it always seems we get hosed by a brutal penalty at a horrible time in the game.

The calls against us and ignored against Green Bay were just as bad in our home playoff loss as the one at Lambeau....until the Goon is gone, I will always believe they will come up with a way for us to get screwed in the backside. I don't give one S about the number of calls in a season...it's all about what critical time in the game it was, and how big the result of the call or non call was.

The “refs are out to get us” evidence is actually thin

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