Alarming stat downplays Dak Prescott's passing ability

glimmerman · Jun 10, 2020

CouchCoach said:
LMAO at adding in the drops. While we're at it, let's deduct the missed blocks for RB's and picks for WR's.

Can you tell it still the offseason. At least no one has mentioned Daks contract. Oops..

bsbellomy · Jun 10, 2020

phildadon86 said:
It is possible to be both you know

Not if you want Dak at 40million per season.

Jumbo075 · Jun 10, 2020

Hadenough said:
I would trade yards for consistency! I keep seeing this mental picture of that Colts game and Jarwin was wide open and Dak missed him well short by like 10 yards. Thats worse than missing an uncontested layup. He did the same thing with Beasley in the flat in 2016. He had a game where his mechanics went haywire and he couldnt throw the ball 20 yards while not moving his feet. Ive just never seen a NFL QB who looks so amateur at times.

Even Larry Bird and Michael Jordan missed an occasional free throw or game winning shot. The standard you are holding Dak to is an impossible standard. No QB hits every wide open receiver. Of course you can find examples where a missed pass was Dak's fault. That is not news, and dismissing all the other times that Dak's performance elevated the Cowboys doesn't do anyone a service - including yourself.

Dak is not a finished product yet, and he's shown improvement. Do I personally think he's worth what his negotiating team is asking for? No. But ultimately, that is a question for the Jones family to work out. I think it is rather obvious that Dak is among the more promising young stars in the NFL - even if he still has room for improvement. But Dak will never be perfect, as is true of every QB in the NFL. The Jones have to make a decision about Dak on compensation. I suspect it's a "pay me now, or pay me later" decision, because it is readily apparent they are committed to Dak being the starting QB for the Cowboys for the foreseeable future. Ultimately, I don't think Dak will be the weak link holding the Cowboys back from winning a Super Bowl. He doesn't have to be the very best in order to be able to lead the team to a title. The other players matter also - which of course is why the Jones are hesitant to give him everything he's asking for.

Ultimately, it's a problem I am glad I don't have to solve - especially with a looming reduction in Salary CAP for 2021, if spectators are not allowed back in the stands this coming Fall. But then again, it's just entertainment, and the world itself is as much or more entertaining, or at least riveting, as any entertainment outlet is right now. So, since it is obvious that Dak will remain the Cowboys starting QB, I don't really care how the negotiations between millionaires and billionaires go. It is out of my ability to control, and so it is not my worry.

Future · Jun 10, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Youre opinion is irrelevant bc you obviously are a pathetic homer

“dak killed the packers”

You use emojis like my 8 y.o. cousin. She doesn't understand nuance of QB play, and neither do you.

WillieBeamen · Jun 10, 2020

Future said:
You use emojis like my 8 y.o. cousin. She doesn't understand nuance of QB play, and neither do you.

Neither do you :laugh:

Dak Killed the packers :laugh:

31-3 until 2:06 left in the 3rd quarter. Yea he showed them. I bet Mike Pettine and Matt LaFleur left that game feeling like they dodged a bullet by winning despite Dak’s potent aerial attack :laugh:

Diehardblues · Jun 10, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
my response was to your comment.

"basel90: Very true . Dak has not proven anything yet . Behind the top OL and Running game and elite talent at WR , all we saw is padded stats from Dak , and a disappearing act when the going gets tough against decent teams or when the run game struggles ."
your response:
Yep
0-5 against teams with 10 wins or more last year.

In our 8 losses averaged only 15 points a game. Not what we’d expect from a top 5 QB and #1 offense.

In our 8 wins against lesser opponents he played at a very high level.

if your reporting results, then why mention dak and why mention 0-5 and averaging 15 points in 8 losses? yes, facts, but you are lumping wins/losses and Dak in your response...intentional? or unintentional? if you are not placing losses on Dak alone, why not mention other factors....like coaching, defense, special teams, etc.....

we were 0-5 against teams with 10 wins or more....yes, but is it all Dak's fault? or were there other factors that led to those? what you stated was an indirect attempt at blaming dak for losses, given you are responding to a post with Dak and padding his stat and you responding to wins and losses and the thread is regarding Dak….

furthermore, it wasn't 15 points average. it was over 17...yes, slight difference, but since you are trying to report FACTs. lets report FACTS as they are...

so tell me the coaching culpability in all of this? tell me special teams culpability in all of this? our coach refused to let go of a kicker, who missed 10 straight kicks from the 40s....that could have led to wins or put us in position to win...

in my opinion, wins/losses are on coach/GM. they are responsible for offense, defense and special teams. Dak is the key to the offense. with that, he is also responsible for what he is asked to do, when the coach decides to run the ball three times inside the 20 in a close game, with a chance to win it, when we have had 40 total yards rushing all game and over 340 yards passing, including 6/7 passing on the same drive...that's not on Dak….that's poor coaching....lets make sure in the game we make other players culpable for their screw ups, ala new orleans game, another close game, when witten at a crucial time in a close game, in the 4th quarter, fumbles the ball away or zeke, fumbles the ball on 4th down or cooper commits a penalty..... these bone headed plays and play calls happened all year....so if you are going to put Dak and wins/losses in the same phrase, lets make sure coaches, other players, defense and special teams are mentioned as well....

and if you are going to credit Dak with wins and losses in 2019, an ***** up year in dallas, then lets take a look at wins/losses in 2016 and mention Dak in that phrase as well.

Well, we were discussing Dak so of course I mentioned him but I stopped short of directly blaming him.

Diehardblues · Jun 10, 2020

Future said:
And you are putting that on Dak, in the context of this thread and with the post you agreed with that I originally quoted.

No, you didn't say it specifically, but you are absolutely putting the performance in those games on Dak.

Again, that’s your interpretation not my direct intent which I carefully didn’t present as such.

Future · Jun 10, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Again, that’s your interpretation not my direct intent which I carefully didn’t present as such.

Well then I don't know what your point was, because that's exactly what you presented. It's a Dak thread and agreed with "all we saw is padded stats from Dak , and a disappearing act when the going gets tough against decent teams or when the run game struggles." You're either copping out or made a point that had nothing to do with the thread or the post you agreed with.

CouchCoach · Jun 10, 2020

glimmerman said:
Can you tell it still the offseason. At least no one has mentioned Daks contract. Oops..

That's OK, the Daksters are building their case just as the Romo Lovers used to do. I really don't know why they feel the need to defend them but some do.

At least it hasn't got as nasty as the Romo Wars did on the old site. Never got that, why in the hell does anyone care? He's not family or even a friend or doesn't owe anyone money and didn't steal their woman.

I could care less if someone here does or doesn't like Prescott anymore than they did Romo and with some, there is a connection.

He is going to be the QB of the Cowboys at least this year so we'd all better be hoping he has a great year.

cern · Jun 10, 2020

Jumbo075 said:
Even Larry Bird and Michael Jordan missed an occasional free throw or game winning shot. The standard you are holding Dak to is an impossible standard. No QB hits every wide open receiver. Of course you can find examples where a missed pass was Dak's fault. That is not news, and dismissing all the other times that Dak's performance elevated the Cowboys doesn't do anyone a service - including yourself.

Dak is not a finished product yet, and he's shown improvement. Do I personally think he's worth what his negotiating team is asking for? No. But ultimately, that is a question for the Jones family to work out. I think it is rather obvious that Dak is among the more promising young stars in the NFL - even if he still has room for improvement. But Dak will never be perfect, as is true of every QB in the NFL. The Jones have to make a decision about Dak on compensation. I suspect it's a "pay me now, or pay me later" decision, because it is readily apparent they are committed to Dak being the starting QB for the Cowboys for the foreseeable future. Ultimately, I don't think Dak will be the weak link holding the Cowboys back from winning a Super Bowl. He doesn't have to be the very best in order to be able to lead the team to a title. The other players matter also - which of course is why the Jones are hesitant to give him everything he's asking for.

Ultimately, it's a problem I am glad I don't have to solve - especially with a looming reduction in Salary CAP for 2021, if spectators are not allowed back in the stands this coming Fall. But then again, it's just entertainment, and the world itself is as much or more entertaining, or at least riveting, as any entertainment outlet is right now. So, since it is obvious that Dak will remain the Cowboys starting QB, I don't really care how the negotiations between millionaires and billionaires go. It is out of my ability to control, and so it is not my worry.

well said, army.

glimmerman · Jun 10, 2020

CouchCoach said:
That's OK, the Daksters are building their case just as the Romo Lovers used to do. I really don't know why they feel the need to defend them but some do.

At least it hasn't got as nasty as the Romo Wars did on the old site. Never got that, why in the hell does anyone care? He's not family or even a friend or doesn't owe anyone money and didn't steal their woman.

I could care less if someone here does or doesn't like Prescott anymore than they did Romo and with some, there is a connection.

He is going to be the QB of the Cowboys at least this year so we'd all better be hoping he has a great year.

I think it will and would always be that way. If there was internet when Staubach and Danny White were playing it would be the same.

Diehardblues · Jun 10, 2020

Future said:
Well then I don't know what your point was, because that's exactly what you presented. It's a Dak thread and agreed with "all we saw is padded stats from Dak , and a disappearing act when the going gets tough against decent teams or when the run game struggles." You're either copping out or made a point that had nothing to do with the thread or the post you agreed with.

My point was our offense struggles against the better teams. My intent is to point that out and let others decide who or what are the contributing factors.

Is your stance that Daks performance level is the same against the better teams and not a factor ?

America's Cowboy · Jun 10, 2020

Diehardblues said:
If we continue producing poorly offensively against more Elite opponents how do we expect to reach the next level?

Our Cap investment is heavy on offense. If we have the #1 offense and a top 5 paid QB surely we can expect them to perform at a higher level against at least some of these more Elite teams with 10 wins or more carrying us to victory.

If not then perhaps we need to re-evaluate our investments . And maybe we have over valued some of our talent.

Well, Greg, how did the highest paid players on the team perform last year? THAT is where you should be directing your attention.

CouchCoach · Jun 10, 2020

glimmerman said:
I think it will and would always be that way. If there was internet when Staubach and Danny White were playing it would be the same.

Oh my!! We can only dream about what this would be like with Danny White. We'd have a whole section devoted to his eyes when he came up behind the center.

Valkyr · Jun 10, 2020

glimmerman said:
I think it will and would always be that way. If there was internet when Staubach and Danny White were playing it would be the same.

Heck, we had people willing to die on the hill for Quincy, Henson, or Hutchinson.

Something about the QB position brings out the emotions.

Hadenough · Jun 10, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Neither do you

Dak Killed the packers

31-3 until 2:06 left in the 3rd quarter. Yea he showed them. I bet Mike Pettine and Matt LaFleur left that game feeling like they dodged a bullet by winning despite Dak’s potent aerial attack

That was a classic Dak game. Moves the ball around the field for 3 quarters unable to get in the endzone then the Packers knowing they got this game up 31 to 3 can't help but ease off the gas and coast. Who cares if the Cowboys score a TD or two. The stats show 350 yards passing by Dak but in reality it means nothing when all the scoring took place when the game was out of reach.

OmerV · Jun 10, 2020

Redball Express said:
Yes.

Add that potential yardage back..

but it again was against prevent defenses which allow only small gains as you try to go up field.

Those defenses are designed as we all know to leave an open receiver the QB will release to the defense will rally to to stop long gains.

A completely different defense often with subs added. Taking this into obvious consideration says even at 5500 yd for Dak in 2019..

It's still unrealistic to say Dak earned all that yardage on his own. He was profoundly helped In at least half the games with backing up prevent defenses.

Only the most basic fan would fail to see that.

So people want to see what fits their narrative.

I want to win. Stats and discussion over stats are meaningless to me. The.coaches need it to eval things but that's it.

Do you think stats rule their decisions? Sometimes. But becuz they know so much being on the inside whereas we are not..

their decisions are made with stats being like tea leaves. It leads them to adjust and tinker with 'what-ifs' and whatever.

The Forum gets too caught up in fact checks and all the new vocabulary used now. Technology does not always clarify things.

It can confuse things. Look at this virus. You would think with all the technology and modern medicine we think we have..

they constantly change what we must do and a cure is still not available.

So much for stats and modern methods, huh?

Every drop was against a prevent defense? Lol

OmerV · Jun 10, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
It's not just about point of location. Touch arc spin, velocity are all crucial components of a "well thrown ball". A QB can even "throw open" a covered receiver if that have good rapport.

Velocity might come into play if a bulk it is thrown from just a few yards away, but otherwise if a ball is thrown in a receivers gut and he drops It the stat keepers aren’t going to refuse to call it a drop because the spin wasn’t right.

Bennie · Jun 10, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Neither do you

Dak Killed the packers

31-3 until 2:06 left in the 3rd quarter. Yea he showed them. I bet Mike Pettine and Matt LaFleur left that game feeling like they dodged a bullet by winning despite Dak’s potent aerial attack

When have you ever heard a D coordinator say, We have to stop Dak?

OmerV · Jun 10, 2020

Bennie said:
When have you ever heard a D coordinator say, We have to stop Dak?

I don’t have a lot of conversations with D Coordinators around the NFL, do you?

Alarming stat downplays Dak Prescott's passing ability

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