The Secret Benefit Of Drafting Ceedee Lamb

There were definitely obvious benefits to drafting Ceedee at 17.

-We lost our starting slot going into a season where our offense is going from 12 to 11 personnel base. A starter was a need, not a luxury.

-In a time where offense rules the league, taking your offense from really good to elite is a smart play. Despite the stats, this offense didn’t truly dominate consistently last year. Should change this year and Ceedee can play a significant part in that.

-There seemed to be times last year where we needed one of our guys to make a play (Philly week 16 anyone?), but rarely did anyone show up. In 2018 it was Coop, but despite all our weapons last year the timely plays didn’t come enough. Better coaching to fine-tune the offense as a whole and a real lead dog in Ceedee should do the trick.


But the hidden benefit is what Ceedee does to Coop. Btw, I really like Coop. Like not love.

Overall, the trade for Coop has to be seen as worth it. But in 1 and a half years we clearly see what the totality of Cooper as a WR is. He’s an elite route runner, great athlete, and a smart nuanced player. He is also prone to getting banged up, can wilt when a challenge is presented, and has an infuriating drop a little too often. In totality, he’s a 1A/1B guy more than he is a stand alone DHop/Julio/AB kinda guy.

Due to the trade and importance to Dak, Coop is the second highest paid WR in football. And though I don’t disagree with the decision to sign him, he’s not one of those blank check guys; you’re hoping he takes one more step forward. While his cap hits the first two years are manageable, if the team doesn’t trade or cut him after two seasons and he hasn’t taken a step, he becomes grossly overpaid.

A great performance from Gallup alone probably wouldn’t be enough to give the FO the green light to move on from an overpaid Coop, that’s where Ceedee comes in. Drafting Ceedee broadens our options. Without him, it’s either:

A) Coop takes a step and earns his $, and we have to decide on Gallup.

B) Coop stays the same/regresses and now we kind of have to sign Gallup or take WR high.

But with Lamb the scenarios are:

A) Coop takes a step forward and for 2 years we have dang near the best trio in the league. Depending on Gallup’s performance we can either resign him or feel ok letting him walk/trade him. Remember these guys are 2-3 years apart each contract wise so they can probably be all signed if the FO wanted.

B) Coop stays the same or regresses and the decision is easy. Plus we might be able to get some good draft compensation back.


If we know this so does Coop. This will either light a fire under him or make it easy to move on. Ball is in Amari’s court in regards to his future here.

ALL THE POINTS

The best hidden positive is not having him on the freakin Fleagles from Philthy and having to face his monster talent twice a year.

But yeah, I'd like to see him push Coop and all 3 be such a monster threat that you just can't take any one of them away as a tactic to stress the passing game. 3 great threats.

817Gill said:

There were definitely obvious benefits to drafting Ceedee at 17.

-We lost our starting slot going into a season where our offense is going from 12 to 11 personnel base. A starter was a need, not a luxury.

-In a time where offense rules the league, taking your offense from really good to elite is a smart play. Despite the stats, this offense didn’t truly dominate consistently last year. Should change this year and Ceedee can play a significant part in that.

-There seemed to be times last year where we needed one of our guys to make a play (Philly week 16 anyone?), but rarely did anyone show up. In 2018 it was Coop, but despite all our weapons last year the timely plays didn’t come enough. Better coaching to fine-tune the offense as a whole and a real lead dog in Ceedee should do the trick.


But the hidden benefit is what Ceedee does to Coop. Btw, I really like Coop. Like not love.

Overall, the trade for Coop has to be seen as worth it. But in 1 and a half years we clearly see what the totality of Cooper as a WR is. He’s an elite route runner, great athlete, and a smart nuanced player. He is also prone to getting banged up, can wilt when a challenge is presented, and has an infuriating drop a little too often. In totality, he’s a 1A/1B guy more than he is a stand alone DHop/Julio/AB kinda guy.

Due to the trade and importance to Dak, Coop is the second highest paid WR in football. And though I don’t disagree with the decision to sign him, he’s not one of those blank check guys; you’re hoping he takes one more step forward. While his cap hits the first two years are manageable, if the team doesn’t trade or cut him after two seasons and he hasn’t taken a step, he becomes grossly overpaid.

A great performance from Gallup alone probably wouldn’t be enough to give the FO the green light to move on from an overpaid Coop, that’s where Ceedee comes in. Drafting Ceedee broadens our options. Without him, it’s either:

A) Coop takes a step and earns his $, and we have to decide on Gallup.

B) Coop stays the same/regresses and now we kind of have to sign Gallup or take WR high.

But with Lamb the scenarios are:

A) Coop takes a step forward and for 2 years we have dang near the best trio in the league. Depending on Gallup’s performance we can either resign him or feel ok letting him walk/trade him. Remember these guys are 2-3 years apart each contract wise so they can probably be all signed if the FO wanted.

B) Coop stays the same or regresses and the decision is easy. Plus we might be able to get some good draft compensation back.


If we know this so does Coop. This will either light a fire under him or make it easy to move on. Ball is in Amari’s court in regards to his future here.

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Cooper is a #1, no question about it. Is he a top 5 #1, probably not. 2nd tier #1.

That being said the Cooper trade has worked out. However, its kinda overkill now I expect Cooper to be allowed to walk in two years. Lamb is the real deal, not doubt about it.

Only way I see Cooper staying is three scenarios:

1. The Cowboys either won the SB or just lost the SB and want to keep the team together for another run.
2. Gallup continues to develop nicely and doesn't want elite money. If Gallup can be signed for something between 10-14 million then we probably just role with Gallop and Lamb.
3. Lamb or Gallup have a career threatening type injury.

I don't really see it as a secret or hidden benefit, the more talent you have on the field the more you can stress a defense, absorb injuries, give scheme latitude and creativity to your coaches. Health permitting we have enough talent on offense to become a real nightmare for opponents.

Point-of-the-Star said:

The best hidden positive is not having him on the freakin Fleagles from Philthy and having to face his monster talent twice a year.

But yeah, I'd like to see him push Coop and all 3 be such a monster threat that you just can't take any one of them away as a tactic to stress the passing game. 3 great threats.

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And think what that will do for Zeke/Pollard/Dak as far as running the ball and Jarwin in the passing game

And not so secret: It pissed off Eagles fans

817Gill said:

There were definitely obvious benefits to drafting Ceedee at 17.

-We lost our starting slot going into a season where our offense is going from 12 to 11 personnel base. A starter was a need, not a luxury.

-In a time where offense rules the league, taking your offense from really good to elite is a smart play. Despite the stats, this offense didn’t truly dominate consistently last year. Should change this year and Ceedee can play a significant part in that.

-There seemed to be times last year where we needed one of our guys to make a play (Philly week 16 anyone?), but rarely did anyone show up. In 2018 it was Coop, but despite all our weapons last year the timely plays didn’t come enough. Better coaching to fine-tune the offense as a whole and a real lead dog in Ceedee should do the trick.


But the hidden benefit is what Ceedee does to Coop. Btw, I really like Coop. Like not love.

Overall, the trade for Coop has to be seen as worth it. But in 1 and a half years we clearly see what the totality of Cooper as a WR is. He’s an elite route runner, great athlete, and a smart nuanced player. He is also prone to getting banged up, can wilt when a challenge is presented, and has an infuriating drop a little too often. In totality, he’s a 1A/1B guy more than he is a stand alone DHop/Julio/AB kinda guy.

Due to the trade and importance to Dak, Coop is the second highest paid WR in football. And though I don’t disagree with the decision to sign him, he’s not one of those blank check guys; you’re hoping he takes one more step forward. While his cap hits the first two years are manageable, if the team doesn’t trade or cut him after two seasons and he hasn’t taken a step, he becomes grossly overpaid.

A great performance from Gallup alone probably wouldn’t be enough to give the FO the green light to move on from an overpaid Coop, that’s where Ceedee comes in. Drafting Ceedee broadens our options. Without him, it’s either:

A) Coop takes a step and earns his $, and we have to decide on Gallup.

B) Coop stays the same/regresses and now we kind of have to sign Gallup or take WR high.

But with Lamb the scenarios are:

A) Coop takes a step forward and for 2 years we have dang near the best trio in the league. Depending on Gallup’s performance we can either resign him or feel ok letting him walk/trade him. Remember these guys are 2-3 years apart each contract wise so they can probably be all signed if the FO wanted.

B) Coop stays the same or regresses and the decision is easy. Plus we might be able to get some good draft compensation back.


If we know this so does Coop. This will either light a fire under him or make it easy to move on. Ball is in Amari’s court in regards to his future here.

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Well said, and if I may,, I love the versatility adding CD gives this offense, really opens everything up.
Moore can move weapons around, put CD at the X and Coop can be dynamic out of the slot.
Coop
Gallup
CD
Not to mention some other looks involving pollard possibly motioning in from the backfield going 4 spread.
Cant wait to see how Jarwin fits in, about the most perfect environment for him to evolve, exploit.
This offense has the weapons to really be dynamic... execution is everything.
Its going to cause a few forced time outs by opposing DCs... lol

817Gill said:

There were definitely obvious benefits to drafting Ceedee at 17.

-We lost our starting slot going into a season where our offense is going from 12 to 11 personnel base. A starter was a need, not a luxury.

-In a time where offense rules the league, taking your offense from really good to elite is a smart play. Despite the stats, this offense didn’t truly dominate consistently last year. Should change this year and Ceedee can play a significant part in that.

-There seemed to be times last year where we needed one of our guys to make a play (Philly week 16 anyone?), but rarely did anyone show up. In 2018 it was Coop, but despite all our weapons last year the timely plays didn’t come enough. Better coaching to fine-tune the offense as a whole and a real lead dog in Ceedee should do the trick.


But the hidden benefit is what Ceedee does to Coop. Btw, I really like Coop. Like not love.

Overall, the trade for Coop has to be seen as worth it. But in 1 and a half years we clearly see what the totality of Cooper as a WR is. He’s an elite route runner, great athlete, and a smart nuanced player. He is also prone to getting banged up, can wilt when a challenge is presented, and has an infuriating drop a little too often. In totality, he’s a 1A/1B guy more than he is a stand alone DHop/Julio/AB kinda guy.

Due to the trade and importance to Dak, Coop is the second highest paid WR in football. And though I don’t disagree with the decision to sign him, he’s not one of those blank check guys; you’re hoping he takes one more step forward. While his cap hits the first two years are manageable, if the team doesn’t trade or cut him after two seasons and he hasn’t taken a step, he becomes grossly overpaid.

A great performance from Gallup alone probably wouldn’t be enough to give the FO the green light to move on from an overpaid Coop, that’s where Ceedee comes in. Drafting Ceedee broadens our options. Without him, it’s either:

A) Coop takes a step and earns his $, and we have to decide on Gallup.

B) Coop stays the same/regresses and now we kind of have to sign Gallup or take WR high.

But with Lamb the scenarios are:

A) Coop takes a step forward and for 2 years we have dang near the best trio in the league. Depending on Gallup’s performance we can either resign him or feel ok letting him walk/trade him. Remember these guys are 2-3 years apart each contract wise so they can probably be all signed if the FO wanted.

B) Coop stays the same or regresses and the decision is easy. Plus we might be able to get some good draft compensation back.


If we know this so does Coop. This will either light a fire under him or make it easy to move on. Ball is in Amari’s court in regards to his future here.

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I don't know.

CeeDee may well play a role in any succeses the offense may have.

Is he going to be a fate changing player?

You seem to think so.

Not here in my mind.

We have gone thru this stuff when Zeke arrived. Rapture and domination would surely follow us the rest of our days.

Dak? Same thi

Redball Express said:

I don't know.

CeeDee may well play a role in any succeses the offense may have.

Is he going to be a fate changing player?

You seem to think so.

Not here in my mind.

We have gone thru this stuff when Zeke arrived. Rapture and domination would surely follow us the rest of our days.

Dak? Same thi

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What wrong Red, did you eat a bad burrito?
What don't you like about CD, that pick?

Imo, no secret. It would have been crazy not to have taken lamb. Top notch wr. Can't have enough good wr's.

You mean other than drafting the #1 receiver in the draft AND keeping him from the Eagles?

I think the absolutely not hidden what so ever value of adding Lamb to this already potent offense, that everyone is already talking about, is actually being undersold as to just how good it really could be.
IMHO, This offense has the chance to be literally, unstoppable.

If most of you were to sit down and draw up the perfect offense for today's NFL, one with the perfect balance of talent at each position, most of you would basically draw up this:

You'd want a perennial All Pro dominating LT. Check
You'd want a supporting cast of mauling AllPro and pro-bowl caliber offensive lineman up front. Check
You'd want a All Pro bell cow who is dominate in all 3 phases RB. Check
You'd want a sure handed, big bodied, great route running muti-year pro bowl #1 WR. Check
You'd want a proven winner and leader, who is durable, mobile, accurate and doesn't turn the ball over as a QB. Check
You'd want a slippery, great handed and fast slot receiver who can score on any play inside/underneath. Check
You'd want a solid, dangerous, crazy ball catcher #2 WR to compliment the #1. Check
You'd want a speedy change of pace back, very dangerous out of the back field #2 RB. Check
You'd want a stud TE who can both run block and catch with the ability to get open underneath and in the redzone. 1/2 check

With the exception of a stud run blocking TE, although ours can certainly pass catch, you would have the 2020 Dallas Cowboys.

I know some of you would say you have to start your list with an all world, sure fire HOF QB, and that's certainly one way to go and I can't say that I wouldn't want one either. But I think if they truly sat down and said "ok what do I want for my team?", most people would want to build an offense that is deep across the board, with balance at every position, over having a super star QB and some jags.

ChuckA1 said:

You mean other than drafting the #1 receiver in the draft AND keeping him from the Eagles?

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Keeping CD from going to the trash was just an added bonus,, at this point Im more totally infatuated about his influence on this offense.

817Gill said:

There were definitely obvious benefits to drafting Ceedee at 17.

-We lost our starting slot going into a season where our offense is going from 12 to 11 personnel base. A starter was a need, not a luxury.

-In a time where offense rules the league, taking your offense from really good to elite is a smart play. Despite the stats, this offense didn’t truly dominate consistently last year. Should change this year and Ceedee can play a significant part in that.

-There seemed to be times last year where we needed one of our guys to make a play (Philly week 16 anyone?), but rarely did anyone show up. In 2018 it was Coop, but despite all our weapons last year the timely plays didn’t come enough. Better coaching to fine-tune the offense as a whole and a real lead dog in Ceedee should do the trick.


But the hidden benefit is what Ceedee does to Coop. Btw, I really like Coop. Like not love.

Overall, the trade for Coop has to be seen as worth it. But in 1 and a half years we clearly see what the totality of Cooper as a WR is. He’s an elite route runner, great athlete, and a smart nuanced player. He is also prone to getting banged up, can wilt when a challenge is presented, and has an infuriating drop a little too often. In totality, he’s a 1A/1B guy more than he is a stand alone DHop/Julio/AB kinda guy.

Due to the trade and importance to Dak, Coop is the second highest paid WR in football. And though I don’t disagree with the decision to sign him, he’s not one of those blank check guys; you’re hoping he takes one more step forward. While his cap hits the first two years are manageable, if the team doesn’t trade or cut him after two seasons and he hasn’t taken a step, he becomes grossly overpaid.

A great performance from Gallup alone probably wouldn’t be enough to give the FO the green light to move on from an overpaid Coop, that’s where Ceedee comes in. Drafting Ceedee broadens our options. Without him, it’s either:

A) Coop takes a step and earns his $, and we have to decide on Gallup.

B) Coop stays the same/regresses and now we kind of have to sign Gallup or take WR high.

But with Lamb the scenarios are:

A) Coop takes a step forward and for 2 years we have dang near the best trio in the league. Depending on Gallup’s performance we can either resign him or feel ok letting him walk/trade him. Remember these guys are 2-3 years apart each contract wise so they can probably be all signed if the FO wanted.

B) Coop stays the same or regresses and the decision is easy. Plus we might be able to get some good draft compensation back.


If we know this so does Coop. This will either light a fire under him or make it easy to move on. Ball is in Amari’s court in regards to his future here.

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Posts like yours make this interminable off-season a pleasure.
Good lad.

I really like the kid...a lot. If he balls out and into what peeps claim he will be. He’ll attempt to bust Jerrys wallet big time in a few years if the ol alky is still kickin....

i think everything was already in effect before we had a chance to draft CeeDee Lamb, imo.

- that 2 year escape option clause in Cooper's new record breaking contract was a clear signal that
the team had to have some reservations to throw in that escape clause. They wanted to force themselves to believe that Coop could either rejuvenate himself to be an Alpha Dog - or after that 2 year time, they were going to be forced to go elsewhere for a new No.1 feature lead WR.

- But during FA period and before the NFL draft, they needed the best insurance available that continues work for Dak. And they did not want to let Cooper walk and be " forced " to have to pick a lead WR - just for the sake of picking one.

- Forcing a lead WR simply because they needed a lead WR that bad.
Reaching for a Calvin Ridley type. Resorting to picking a WR that high, and going against the value of their board. So they caved in and gave Cooper what he wanted contract wise- while also protecting themselves in the near future, just in case.

- Little did they ..or anyone could phantom the 6th best overall player on their board, would still be sliding and sliding, right into their hands at 17th overall ,.. someone who they had to think with that rave high score of a prospect - someone they had to think was the coveted elite level WR prospect they coveted and what they had hope Cooper would be via the trade for him.

- That slide totally changed the dynamics of the franchise. In terms of direction with the WRs, roles, skill set,
the built around focus of the pass game, a swagger and confidence level that they are desperately seeking.
Sure we still needed a slot guy, but they did not draft Lamb to be exclsuively a slot guy- that is just coming as a luxury. Lamb immediately given No.88 by now mysteriously "silent" Jerry himself will be an eventual

- As for Cooper, He is going to be what Torry Holt was to Issac Bruce...and Reggie Wayne was to Marvin Harrison. because unless he is another alpha dog opposite Lamb, he's not gonna see the rest of that massive contract after the next 2 years.

- As a pure prospect, and reportedly there were just 2 WRs in a very rich WR class that Cowboys coveted. - Lamb and Bama's Jerry Jeud.

- Lamb is a freakish generation WR he is not a Randy Moss or Desean Jackson like 4.3 burner - but he has displayed vertical deep threat ability in his Sooner career. he has adequate size weight but he is not overwhelming in that regards. but he plays tall, reaches for sideline, fade routes and isn't afraid to venture over the middle.

- what makes him unique is his run skills.Not only is he an instinctive , natural play maker who makes big plays look effortless and easy, but he is very slippery and elusive in the open field and despite a slim frame, tacklers have a difficult time corralling him He has a knack for sliding off tacklers.
He is also a plus punt returner.

- The one thing we have to see proven is his level of competing.It's a big difference between
Sooner-land vs NFL.
Even Cooper himself was considered an elite blue chip WR too coming out of Bama.
And how he handles NFL level press coverage something he didn't have to be concerned about in Sooners scheme that freed him off the line quite often.

OGCowboy said:

I really like the kid...a lot. If he balls out and into what peeps claim he will be. He’ll attempt to bust Jerrys wallet big time in a few years if the ol alky is still kickin....

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When you have the opportunity to draft possibly the next Deandre Hopkins you do it.
CD reminds me so much of a young Hopkins.
If you can keep this build together, meaning current talent, under the cap,, and that's obviously pending huge contract, not starting another Dak thread.. lol
But right now we have it, and if CD can fast track into this offense, and I think he can,, he is that over exposure element that can win you a championship.
Meaning that there is a breaking point,, Cap restrictions that all teams have to deal with, most teams cant be 3 deep CB1s.
Its how you win in this league, you bust down and expose and over load to the point that nearly every team cant defend.
Its just a push is all Im saying, if your still with me...
Gallup vs an opponents 3rd DB is now a mismatch.
Coop in the slot, Pollard in the slot...
I really don't think the fan base understands yet how much the addition of CD is going to mean.

GimmeTheBall! said:

Posts like yours make this interminable off-season a pleasure.
Good lad.

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@817Gill brings the goods

I wouldn't say that the impact it has on whether or not Cooper is released in two years is exactly a secret...

Also, not taking a step forward wouldn't mean that Cooper is overpaid in two years, especially when the cap rises and he can easily be restructured.