Is There A Better Fit For Dak?

jaythecowboy said:

The market is what it is. Just like you gotta pay $1500 a month for a broom closet in New York City. You might not think it's worth it but if that's what you want you have to pay up.

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not necessarily. The market for players in the NFL is different than any other market.

kskboys said:

not necessarily. The market for players in the NFL is different than any other market.

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It still boils down to supply and demand though. Ultimately, the market is what people are willing to pay.

CowboyoWales said:

Its this kind of polarised view that fuels the argument.

He isn't exceptional, he isn't average.

The money asked for and offered appears close.

It appears to be the number of years that are being contested.

Whilst interesting to dissect the situation and scenarios the issue isn't: talent, stats, external market.

Its just both parties negotiating the fine details.

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The numbers prove without a singular doubt he's been exceptional. The fact that he is judged differently is what fuels the argument. But i am not going to get into that conversation because it has been debunked 1000 times already.

black label said:

tampa bound, winston stats

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Great post! Uhm wait..

kskboys said:

Why? Your post contradicts itself. If one is a fan of a team, that means the team is above all, and a player may or may not be included in that team's fandom. In bashing people for not liking Dez, you're doing what you're accusing others of doing. Are there really not any players you'd rather see leave?

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I would never put anti-Dak comments in my signature. Or anti - (insert Cowboy player name here) in my sig. Ever. There will always be players that i think would be better off on another team but I am not going to advertise my dislike or in some cases hate. They're Cowboys players and should be treated with respect no matter what.

kskboys said:

If we overpay him, it could easily cost us super bowl runs. I really am not worried about his personal finances, especially since he's going to be very rich no matter what. So why would it mean something to me if he holds the team hostage for a maxed out contract that keeps us in mediocre land? I really don't understand this way of thinking.

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Because you are assuming his contract will prevent them from building a true contender. What's been the excuse before this came up and why will his contract be the one when his is going to be in line with what other contenders, not in BAL or KC, at the QB position.

I do not get the thinking that places the burden of cap management on any player whether that's Lawrence, Cooper, Elliott or Prescott. Is it any of their faults that the others got paid? Once the register drawer gets open, they're going to empty it as they should. They are all mercs, they play for money, all other concerns are at a very distant secondary concern. FA changed the game forever.

CouchCoach said:

Because you are assuming his contract will prevent them from building a true contender. What's been the excuse before this came up and why will his contract be the one when his is going to be in line with what other contenders, not in BAL or KC, at the QB position.

I do not get the thinking that places the burden of cap management on any player whether that's Lawrence, Cooper, Elliott or Prescott. Is it any of their faults that the others got paid? Once the register drawer gets open, they're going to empty it as they should. They are all mercs, they play for money, all other concerns are at a very distant secondary concern. FA changed the game forever.

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Since history says that it will, a huge contract will most likely keep us from building a true contender.

Whether there might be a better fit or not for Dak isn't likely to play into their agenda this season, imho. He will most likely be signed to a new contract or subjected to playing under the tag. The Dallas FO isn't of a mindset to let him get away, according to their stated intentions. It's not likely an issue.

OmerV said:

It still boils down to supply and demand though. Ultimately, the market is what people are willing to pay.

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And that market is driven by agents that are astute in driving it up. Prescott is about to reset the market just as tagging Cousins did and what really feeds that is that they're dealing with the most ego driven position in all team sports, they do keep score. If the owners want to know how they got here, just look at the aftermath of tagging Cousins, they never should have tagged a QB.

The GMs and owners of BAL, HOU, KC, NYJ, BUF, AZ, CLE and several others are viewing this DAL/Prescott deal with a certain amount of dread as they realize the effect this is going to have. Think any of those QB's don't think they're better than Prescott? Think any of them are willing to take less than a 4th round pick when they're all 1st rounders and several Heisman's?

The difference in those teams and the Cowboys is that they can make the hard decisions on other players and not have a top paid DE, WR, RB and the highest OL salary on the same team as that QB.

CouchCoach said:

And that market is driven by agents that are astute in driving it up. Prescott is about to reset the market just as tagging Cousins did and what really feeds that is that they're dealing with the most ego driven position in all team sports, they do keep score. If the owners want to know how they got here, just look at the aftermath of tagging Cousins, they never should have tagged a QB.

The GMs and owners of BAL, HOU, KC, NYJ, BUF, AZ, CLE and several others are viewing this DAL/Prescott deal with a certain amount of dread as they realize the effect this is going to have. Think any of those QB's don't think they're better than Prescott? Think any of them are willing to take less than a 4th round pick when they're all 1st rounders and several Heisman's?

The difference in those teams and the Cowboys is that they can make the hard decisions on other players and not have a top paid DE, WR, RB and the highest OL salary on the same team as that QB.

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We hope that agents will drive Dak's value to the moon so that when we apply the non-exclusive tag to Dak next year two no. 1's will be coming out way. Time for a Dak Divorce strategy which
the Cowboys profit handsomely from.

kskboys said:

Since history says that it will, a huge contract will most likely keep us from building a true contender.

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Lack of competency at building a true contender will most likely prevent that as it has for decades. The history you cite doesn't take into consideration how the other players were paid and if they were top heavy on starters.

I use him as an example a lot, with good reason since he's the only one to have figured this out, but what would Belichick do? What would he have done with Lawrence? We know the answer to that because he did it with Flowers, a player just as good. Martin? Cooper? Elliott? Prescott? We know because he has let every one of those positions walk because it screwed with his formula. The Cowboys probably don't even have a formula. Oh sure, they commenting now about being able to build around Prescott when they should have been worried about that two years ago when they were blinking on the other deals.

I am still undecided on whether Prescott will help make them a true contender but I will not join in calling him greedy or blaming him for them not fielding a true contender when they've never shown the ability to field a true contender with or without an affordable QB.

The name of the game is football to us but to the players it's all about the money. That's their real game.

LittleD said:

We hope that agents will drive Dak's value to the moon so that when we apply the non-exclusive tag to Dak next year two no. 1's will be coming out way. Time for a Dak Divorce strategy which
the Cowboys profit handsomely from.

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Do you think that would work? You can remove the two teams that are in most need of a QB because they'll go for Lawrence and Fields.

You also give this brain trust too much credit for strategic thinking, they're your favorite kind of poker player to play against, play every hand.

The only way a different franchise is a better fit for Dak - outside of schematic things from McCarthy, which are unclear now - is if he's sick of the fans. There are much quieter fan bases that are probably a lot more enjoyable to play in front of.

Otherwise, nothing is more profitable, in every sense, than being QB of the Cowboys.

CouchCoach said:

Do you think that would work? You can remove the two teams that are in most need of a QB because they'll go for Lawrence and Fields.

You also give this brain trust too much credit for strategic thinking, they're your favorite kind of poker player to play against, play every hand.

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After this season, my guess is that there will be 5 to 7 teams in dire straits to get another QB. Yes, the top draft teams with the worst season records will go after the top names but, there will be one team that needs a new QB and willing to part with draft choices to get someone available who commands top dollar. Yes, hope springs eternal.

GenoT said:

We’ve dissected Dak’s Cowboys future ad infinitum.

Considering all the many scenarios of his either remaining a Cowboy or departing, here’s a question:

Might Dak and his agent believe he could possibly be a better fit with another NFL team (football success, potential salary and endorsements, etc), rather than the Dallas Cowboys? If so, which team(s)? Personally, I don’t see it.

Haven’t really studied this in detail, but maybe some of y’all have.

Thoughts?

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He has about 4-5 seasons left as a starter.

he's 64 games in.

Aikman had the most.

Romo had 127?

OmerV said:

Then the market wouldn't be $1,500/month. But, if their is a shortage of apartments the price goes up. Same with NFL QBS. There aren't enough quality QBs to go around, and teams are showing more and more or a willingness to pay $30-35 million/year, so that's where the market has trended.

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The first sentence answers it perfectly....if the teams aren't willing to spend the higher salaries and proportion of the Cap then prices will stall.

The interesting time comes when Mahomes signs as there could be a distinct separation between "next man up" and value which results in a reset of the market.

Typhus said:

Well Miami just drafted Tua
NE is rolling with Stidham
The Colts are rolling with 38 yr old Rivers
Jags got Minshew
Titans with Tannehill
Raiders with Carr and Mariota
Chargers with Tyrod Taylor, and just drafted Herbert
Shall I continue, there are other teams,, just saying Dak does have more value than some want to think,, but is his value what he and his agent think its worth?
That's the true question

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Philly, NYG, Washington, Cleveland, NO, Rams, Chargers, Raiders, Cincy, Minn, Chicago, Detroit, Tenn, Indy,

jaythecowboy said:

The market is what it is. Just like you gotta pay $1500 a month for a broom closet in New York City. You might not think it's worth it but if that's what you want you have to pay up.

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Of course. Brady and Brees just got around 25 mil, so that's the market. You said it.

kskboys said:

Of course. Brady and Brees just got around 25 mil, so that's the market. You said it.

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Those guys are at the end of their careers. If you are starting a franchise today Dak is more valuable than either of them.

Scam Newton & the Red Rifle all day...

Laugh about the money you save!!