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Steve (cowboy lover) is a good guy but is an insufferable OSU fan who has been memorized by zeke during their championship run in 15 I think it was maybe 14.

I went round and round with him for months when the cowboys took him 4th. I thought it was dumb then and even dumber to e tend him a year early.

That said on sundays I cheer hard for him just like I’m sure he cheers for the rest of the team but expecting him to believe anything negative about zeke is like winning an argument with your wife.

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plasticman said:
Maybe Zeke just didn't have to break as many tackles.

I would imagine that the RB with the poorest offensive line would have the most opportunities to break tackles. I would also say that teams that were behind in the 4th quarter would pass more. Therefore on the occasions they ran to keep the defense honest, they might be more successful because the defense's intensity is focused more on defending the pass.

Defenders might be less intense if they are routing their opponent. It could be that the offensive line is whipping them so bad they can barely touch the RB at times.

i guess it depends on perspective.....elite RB with the strength to break tackles routinely...........or elite offensive line with the power to get into the second level quickly, thus denying the need to break tackles.
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Thank you! These are all very legitimate points that could possibly support Zeke. On the other hand, it should also support why he has so many yards...because he has had such a great O line. We could also argue that since both years he won the rushing title he also carried the ball more than any other RB therefore he should have hypothetically had more chances to break tackles.

A few things that can’t be argued is he has consistently had one of the best run blocking lines in the league since his rookie year, more than any other RB in the league. There’s also many other RB’s gaining more ypc behind much worse offensive lines. Making defenders miss and yards after contact can’t be argued, he falls pretty short in both these categories.

Also, he wasn’t even top five in broken tackles last year, that’s another zeke myth because a lot fans don’t regularly watch other teams play. He demanded to be paid as the beat and the only category he leads is the one most dependent on carries, which is total yards. When it comes to skill set, he’s not even top 10 in several categories.

Not top 5
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ed-all-nfl-players-in-broken-tackles-in-2019/

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superonyx said:
Its funny how people can watch something so many times and still not understand it.
I bet you made the same argument when Emmitt kept winning rushing titles.
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Emmitt winning rushing titles had nothing or little to do with why fans liked him or thought he was great.
it was what he did in each game we watched.
 
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hittheskids said:
Not reading all the replies but Zeke has more rushing titles than the others combined. He'll have 2-3 more I believe in the next for years.
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So what’s your point? You jump into the middle of a conversation with no knowledge of whats been said and make a random statement without further explanation? Thanks for your contribution :clap:

What if he only gets the ball 270 times this year because we now have two legit receivers? I promise you he won’t be winning any rushing titles without carrying the football at least 30 times more than the next closest guy in the league. I guess that means he sucks since most of his supporters can’t come up with any other legitimate stats to claim how elite he is other than rushing titles, which equates to more carries.

FYI, something Cowboy Lover never didn’t answer for me because he has his head so far up Zeke’s rear, is in the past 10 years how many RB’s who have won the rushing title also had the most carries for that year?

Answer is 8 out of 10 and Zeke wasn’t one of the 2 who didn’t. Again, there have been several RB’s who would have done the same, if not more, in the same scenario as zeke has had.

I don’t even know why I’m wasting my time...read the thread before you jump in with a random declaration.
 
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DandyDon52 said:
Emmitt winning rushing titles had nothing or little to do with why fans liked him or thought he was great.
it was what he did in each game we watched.
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I couldn’t even tell you how many rushing titles Emmitt won off the top of my head nor do I care. It is literally the most overrated stat when determining who is a better running back. Demarco Murray smoked Elliott by almost 200 yards for his rushing title, does that make him better than Zeke or elite? Of course not.

Not arguing with you...I agree with you, it’s what Emmitt did during the games that made him so special. If little e was still playing like he did in 2016 than I think we would all still be talking about how “elite” he is but that ship started sailing in 2017 and has pretty much sunk.
 
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QuincyCarterEra said:
Make the argument that volume alone makes you elite. I dare you LMAO

This should be good :laugh:
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Alone? Funny when someone has to add their own spin in order to be secure in their ability to argue against a point no one is making.

Nice try. Unfortunately its not my first rodeo and I've seen your types.
 
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DandyDon52 said:
Emmitt winning rushing titles had nothing or little to do with why fans liked him or thought he was great.
it was what he did in each game we watched.
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Agreed. But lets also not pretend that if Zeke continues doing everything (catching, blocking, running) even close to the level he is now for several more years he will be in the HOF. Not saying he will. Just saying these message board anti Zeke arguers think they get to set the narrative that Zeke had 1 good season and he has sucked every year since. Emmitt wasn't all world every game or season either. Its the body of work and we can only go by what we have seen and what we have seen is impressive enough to laugh at anyone who wants to sell others on Zeke not being worth his contract.
 
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QuincyCarterEra said:
@superonyx oh I didn't show you where?
Lol. Take your L. "This is hard for you" you claim as a guy 10x more intelligent explains why you were wrong on a callout. Just please stop lying to yourself LMMFFAOOOO
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Wow you had a tough night.
I’ll try to clarify for you. You are implying that Zeke is only good because of volume of carries. I clearly brought up Emmitt because someone who doesn’t understand this game like you are showing would have made the same argument to bash Emmitt during his career. It’s ignoring everything else that makes these guys who they are. Both players brought more than volume or neither would have gotten the volume they got.

It’s clear you have an anti Zeke bias or you just don’t understand what you are watching.
 
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aria said:
Then what stats do? Yards after contact? Yards from line of scrimmage? How about fumbles? Most receptions? Most yards after reception? What about 20+ yard runs? What about 40+ yard runs? What about avg yard per carry? How about most missed tackles after a reception?

Please say yes, pretty please? Let me guess, the only important stat, and the most misleading to judge the overall quality of a RB, is the one you and all the other Zeke lovers will claim matters the most which is total yards. Take almost any RB in the top 15, put him behind our O line, and they would have similar if not better success than Zeke has had. No other RB has had as had as consistently good O line as Zeke has had for their first 4 years.

Complete waste of a draft pick and salary cap space. Hell, we could have got Henry in the 2nd which would have been much more reasonable for a RB.
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Of all the stats "missed tackles" is probably one of the least telling.
 
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jrumann59 said:
Of all the stats "missed tackles" is probably one of the least telling.
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Less telling of what? He doesn’t make people miss near as many times as other RB’s. Instead of gaining several extra yards he runs right into them for a gain of only a few. Besides his decline in speed that’s also part of the reason he has fewer long runs than other top RB’s.
 
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aria said:
Less telling of what? He doesn’t make people miss near as many times as other RB’s. Instead of gaining several extra yards he runs right into them for a gain of only a few. Besides his decline in speed that’s also part of the reason he has fewer long runs than other top RB’s.
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I am just saying there are various reasons for missed tackles to go up or down. I am happy Henry is doing well but one season does not make him elite. For now it makes him very good.
 
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aria said:
So what’s your point? You jump into the middle of a conversation with no knowledge of whats been said and make a random statement without further explanation? Thanks for your contribution :clap:

What if he only gets the ball 270 times this year because we now have two legit receivers? I promise you he won’t be winning any rushing titles without carrying the football at least 30 times more than the next closest guy in the league. I guess that means he sucks since most of his supporters can’t come up with any other legitimate stats to claim how elite he is other than rushing titles, which equates to more carries.

FYI, something Cowboy Lover never didn’t answer for me because he has his head so far up Zeke’s rear, is in the past 10 years how many RB’s who have won the rushing title also had the most carries for that year?

Answer is 8 out of 10 and Zeke wasn’t one of the 2 who didn’t. Again, there have been several RB’s who would have done the same, if not more, in the same scenario as zeke has had.

I don’t even know why I’m wasting my time...read the thread before you jump in with a random declaration.
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You think too much of yourself. Maybe take a break from the board for a year or three.
 
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hittheskids said:
You think too much of yourself. Maybe take a break from the board for a year or three.
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Thanks again for another fantastic contribution :clap:Have any more mind bending insight into a subject you know little to nothing about?

Ever think of joining a book club and telling everyone what you think of a book you’ve never read? I’m sure they would be ecstatic to hear your uninformed opinion.
 
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aria said:
Thanks again for another fantastic contribution :clap:Have any more mind bending insight into a subject you know little to nothing about?

Ever think of joining a book club and telling everyone what you think of a book you’ve never read? I’m sure they would be ecstatic to hear your uninformed opinion.
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