Release Crawford and sign Clowney

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country

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Can someone tell me about Aldon Smith's workout regimen? Because there is a lot of posters assuming he won't be in football shape.

And you know what they say about assuming. It makes an arse out of you not me.

Yall do know we have these little things called training camp and pre-season right? So before we go signing other players lets see what our current players have to offer. Just saying.... Cause I'm pretty sure Aldon Smith can get more sacks this year than Clowney did last year.
 

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Fact - Clowney is an excellent DE. Very good against the run, gets penetration and disrupts.

Fact - Clowney is NOT a special pass rusher. He is not elite nor even upper tier as a pass rusher.

Fact - It is not his contract demands nor his effort on the field that accounts for his not being signed already. It is because he is not a great pass rusher, and no one wants to pay top money to a DE unless he’s nailing double digit sacks or ranking near the top in pass pressure and QB hits.

Clowney is better suited at left DE than right DE.
Excellent is a bit strong to describe Clowney.
 

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They are being shortsighted.

This isn't the first, or the last time, they'll take a big, cheap risk on a position when there were better options out there and it didn't work out.
Probably so. But it’s evident they feel they have their RDE.
 

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Can someone tell me about Aldon Smith's workout regimen? Because there is a lot of posters assuming he won't be in football shape.

And you know what they say about assuming. It makes an arse out of you not me.

Yall do know we have these little things called training camp and pre-season right? So before we go signing other players lets see what our current players have to offer. Just saying.... Cause I'm pretty sure Aldon Smith can get more sacks this year than Clowney did last year.
The sack total itself is one of the most extremely overrated stats in the game.

Give me a forced bad pass on a critical down over a sack in garbage time any day.

Clowney creates disruption. He is a pressure player.

So WAS Smith. We have no idea what he may be at this point.

I wanted Clowney here from the start, but if the team was inclined to go that way, they already would have.

He is underrated by fans because of the sack stat and his draft status.
 
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Releasing Crawford would free up $8 million in cap space.

Crawford said months ago he was willing to take a pay cut. He'll probably end up being 4-5 mil. I'm more concerned about pass rush at DT more than RDE.
 

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Anyone notice how bad the Dline sucked after Crawford went down? He was better on the edge against the run than "pass rush every down" Quinn. He never played the run.
 

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Releasing Crawford would free up $8 million in cap space.

That freed up money should allow for enough cap space to sign Clowney to a 1 year prove it deal at $16 million (it is being reported he turned down a $15 million one year deal with the Browns) since he remains a free agent late into the offseason.

I thought he turned down 1yr deals from the Hawks and Browns. If he is not interested in 1yr deals, why would he sign with Dallas on one?
 

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The sack total itself is one of the most extremely overrated stats in the game.

Give me a forced bad pass on a critical down over a sack in garbage time any day.

Clowney creates disruption. He is a pressure player.

So WAS Smith. We have no idea what he may be at this point.

I wanted Clowney here from the start, but if the team was inclined to go that way, they already would have.

He is underrated by fans because of the sack stat and his draft status.
Underrated because of his draft status and sack total. He was drafted number one over all in 2014 and only had 3 sacks last year. If anything he's overrated because of his draft status. I think the word you were looking for is underappreciated. Most on here can accept that he's underappreciated because of his draft status versus his sacks, but underrated? The guy wants upwards of 16 million a season.

If Crawford can produce half of Clowney's stats for half his pay then they are even in my book. So why replace Crawford for twice as much $ when you won't get twice the production?

I don't like Crawford but Clowney is not an upgrade when you compare the cost versus production of the two. Clowney as an outside linebacker in Houston played up to his draft status, to some. Clowney as a 4-3 DE in Seattle wasn't all that great. So Clowney has question marks as a 4-3 DE...IMO. And we play a 4-3 system, so I'd rather keep Crawford and see what happens in camp with Gregory and Smith.

Just my opinion and opinions vary just like beliefs.
 

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If Crawford can produce half of Clowney's stats for half his pay then they are even in my book. So why replace Crawford for twice as much $ when you won't get twice the production?

I completely disagree with this premise. I will take the guy with twice the production at twice the cost every time.
 
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What a crazy fan base don’t want to overpay the qb but more than willing to overpay for clowney

or trade Gallup for jamaal Adams and a first. Or give a first and a third for earl Thomas

puzzling
 

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I completely disagree with this premise. I will take the guy with twice the production at twice the cost every time.
But you're not going to get twice the production from Clowney and there lies the problem. Hence, Clowney isn't worth it, IMO.
 

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Ask OC's how they game plan for:
A) Clowney

B) Crawford



Answers below


A) QB's identify where Clowney is and O Line calls protection based on Clowney's alignment.

B) Who?




Ask left tackles what they do to counter:

A) Clowney

B) Crawford


Answers below

A) Be technically sound and don't commit to a predetermined position, keep him at distance so he can't get in on you and use his unique combination power and athleticism to beat you inside or out.

B) Take away the inside move and just let him loop outside where he'll run right past the pocket. "Who?" is also an acceptable answer.

People saying he's not disruptive or that he's a better LDE haven't really watched him in Seattle or Houston. J.J. Watt likes to rush from the left or "strong "side. He was a problem for Seattle opponents last year. He lined up in all techniques and even stood up over the A gaps like a linebacker, faking pressure and dropping into coverage. Yes, injuries have derailed him. Had he been healthy all this time, he wouldn't even be possibility for the Cowboys or anyone else at this point. He impacts the way the OC and QB have to call plays. He makes your Secondary better. He makes the other defensive linemen better with his actual presence versus the RaRa garbage you guys like to pretend Tyrone Crawford allegedly brings to the defense.

Also for the Crawford apologists, Clowney has missed 7 games in the last 4 seasons. Crawford has missed 15 games over that same time.
 
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What a crazy fan base don’t want to overpay the qb but more than willing to overpay for clowney

or trade Gallup for jamaal Adams and a first. Or give a first and a third for earl Thomas

puzzling

or accept 24 years of not competing for championships.

Weird fan base indeed.
 
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Releasing Crawford would free up $8 million in cap space.

That freed up money should allow for enough cap space to sign Clowney to a 1 year prove it deal at $16 million (it is being reported he turned down a $15 million one year deal with the Browns) since he remains a free agent late into the offseason.

In my view, this move has a few benefits:

1) Clowney is a better player than Crawford and has a much higher ceiling.

Clowney has 32 sacks in his 6 years in the NFL and that is including his rookie year where it was cut short to only 4 games because of injury. Since then, Clowney has missed a total of 9 games in 5 seasons.

Crawford, on the other hand, has had 23 sacks in 8 seasons. That does include the 2013 season where he was IRd for an ACL injury he suffered in training camp. He remained healthy after that, but he only played 4 games last season after having another injury that brought his season to an end.

2) Clowney has better position flexibility than Crawford does. Clowney can playe DE or move inside if needed. Crawford is a better 3T than a DE, which is where he is expected to play a majority of the time.

3) Signing Clowney to a 1 year deal will make him want to play at a high level at all times and tough out injuries.

4) Clowney is only 27 and Crawford is 30. Clowney is more apt to have a big year, which would improve his market dramatically next year. We wouldn't be able to sign him, but he would yield us a 3rd round comp pick in 2022.

Bring in Clowney and say goodbye to Crawford.

What is so great about Clowney?
 

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would clowney prefer to play for the browns , or the cowboys ! lol I think he would be excited to come here, but going to cleveland
would be just doing a job.
I imagine jones boys still are counting on gregory which is a joke .
Clowney is someone you could move around, so the offense never knows where he will line up.

.yep ... move him all around ...and he would still only give you a mere 3 sacks. :confused:
 

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Anyone notice how bad the Dline sucked after Crawford went down? He was better on the edge against the run than "pass rush every down" Quinn. He never played the run.

Agree, then they traded for Michael Bennett to fill that spot. Bennett was a lot better rushing the passer but wasn't very good against the run either.

How the competition at RDE plays out this year is one of biggest keys to the season IMO.
 
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