Release Crawford and sign Clowney

quickccc

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The sack total itself is one of the most extremely overrated stats in the game.

Give me a forced bad pass on a critical down over a sack in garbage time any day.

Clowney creates disruption. He is a pressure player.

So WAS Smith. We have no idea what he may be at this point.
I wanted Clowney here from the start, but if the team was inclined to go that way, they already would have.

He is underrated by fans because of the sack stat and his draft status.

yes sacks are just one stupid stat, those other things including disruption, and pressure are what count during the season.
if you dont have someone good on him or dont double him, he is coming in!
I saw one game with him last year and he looked good to me.

LOL ! ... Ok, ya'll keep on tryin' to convince yourself about that, ..:laugh:

There is absolutely no comparison's to a Sack vs Pressure. who is gonna dish out big money contract to an " Almost Anthony " player ?
A man that is always two- three inches away from the QB.. but can never finish the task of getting the QB on the ground.

" Hurries and pressures " are no guarantees to kill big plays and downs,. But a sack is a guarantee that plays are instantly killed.

How often have we've seen countless upon countless games on both NFL and college levels
of QBs scrambling and breaking away away from " hurries" and " pressures " to extend plays to
throw downfield en route to back-breaking big plays ..and many times over game-winning plays

If you get a hurry-pressure, that does not guarantee that back- breaking, scrambling plays will be over
However ,if you get a sack, and puts the QB on the ground- that potential scrambling, extending big play ... becomes instantly dead on the spot.. Play blown dead,
A Hurry or pressure will NEVER compare to a Sack.
 

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Releasing Crawford would free up $8 million in cap space.

That freed up money should allow for enough cap space to sign Clowney to a 1 year prove it deal at $16 million (it is being reported he turned down a $15 million one year deal with the Browns) since he remains a free agent late into the offseason.

In my view, this move has a few benefits:

1) Clowney is a better player than Crawford and has a much higher ceiling.

Clowney has 32 sacks in his 6 years in the NFL and that is including his rookie year where it was cut short to only 4 games because of injury. Since then, Clowney has missed a total of 9 games in 5 seasons.

Crawford, on the other hand, has had 23 sacks in 8 seasons. That does include the 2013 season where he was IRd for an ACL injury he suffered in training camp. He remained healthy after that, but he only played 4 games last season after having another injury that brought his season to an end.

2) Clowney has better position flexibility than Crawford does. Clowney can playe DE or move inside if needed. Crawford is a better 3T than a DE, which is where he is expected to play a majority of the time.

3) Signing Clowney to a 1 year deal will make him want to play at a high level at all times and tough out injuries.

4) Clowney is only 27 and Crawford is 30. Clowney is more apt to have a big year, which would improve his market dramatically next year. We wouldn't be able to sign him, but he would yield us a 3rd round comp pick in 2022.

Bring in Clowney and say goodbye to Crawford.
Great post :yourock::yourock:Great idea:welcome: No more Crawford:clap::clap:
 

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Never been that impressed with the clown...if he wants 10 on a prove it year I’d do that...he rides his rep which is slippin’ in my opinion.
 

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or accept 24 years of not competing for championships.

Weird fan base indeed.

mane you think any of the the scenarios I mentioned changes that narrative? Lol look at the bright side we compete year in and out we just haven’t got it done. You could be a lions or browns fan
 

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Releasing Crawford would free up $8 million in cap space.

That freed up money should allow for enough cap space to sign Clowney to a 1 year prove it deal at $16 million (it is being reported he turned down a $15 million one year deal with the Browns) since he remains a free agent late into the offseason.

In my view, this move has a few benefits:

1) Clowney is a better player than Crawford and has a much higher ceiling.

Clowney has 32 sacks in his 6 years in the NFL and that is including his rookie year where it was cut short to only 4 games because of injury. Since then, Clowney has missed a total of 9 games in 5 seasons.

Crawford, on the other hand, has had 23 sacks in 8 seasons. That does include the 2013 season where he was IRd for an ACL injury he suffered in training camp. He remained healthy after that, but he only played 4 games last season after having another injury that brought his season to an end.

2) Clowney has better position flexibility than Crawford does. Clowney can playe DE or move inside if needed. Crawford is a better 3T than a DE, which is where he is expected to play a majority of the time.

3) Signing Clowney to a 1 year deal will make him want to play at a high level at all times and tough out injuries.

4) Clowney is only 27 and Crawford is 30. Clowney is more apt to have a big year, which would improve his market dramatically next year. We wouldn't be able to sign him, but he would yield us a 3rd round comp pick in 2022.

Bring in Clowney and say goodbye to Crawford.

It could be Clowney like you, has a higher opinion of his play and availability. First Clowney has 6 seasons in the league missing 21 games including having knee surgery and going on IR week 5 his rookie season for a total of 21 games missed in 6 seasons. Crawford in 8 seasons has missed 30 games. A little edge to Clowney, but not that much. But here's a better something to consider. Clowney has been an available free agent since March 18th the first day of free agency and all 32 teams have been able to sign him yet he has had limited interest so far from all 32 teams. So far it has been reported that he has now reject 3 offers. THREE offers that in 2 days short of 3 months for someone you think is so good doesn't quite measure up to that. I'll bet if he didn't have the high self important feeling of himself and would accept a much more realistic 1 year prove it contract he would have been signed long ago. 15 mil for a year is to steep for a prove it contract which is where he is at this point in his career..
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I completely disagree with this premise. I will take the guy with twice the production at twice the cost every time.

You won't be getting twice the production. Crawford will likely take a pay cut or get cut. Dallas won't be paying him $8 million this year. It isn't Clowney at $16 million versus Crawford at $8 million. It is Crawford at around $4 million. The cost for Clowney will be 4 times as much and the production will be a little better, tut not as much as is needed for a $16 million contract.
 

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Ask OC's how they game plan for:
A) Clowney

B) Crawford



Answers below


A) QB's identify where Clowney is and O Line calls protection based on Clowney's alignment.

B) Who?




Ask left tackles what they do to counter:

A) Clowney

B) Crawford


Answers below

A) Be technically sound and don't commit to a predetermined position, keep him at distance so he can't get in on you and use his unique combination power and athleticism to beat you inside or out.

B) Take away the inside move and just let him loop outside where he'll run right past the pocket. "Who?" is also an acceptable answer.

People saying he's not disruptive or that he's a better LDE haven't really watched him in Seattle or Houston. J.J. Watt likes to rush from the left or "strong "side. He was a problem for Seattle opponents last year. He lined up in all techniques and even stood up over the A gaps like a linebacker, faking pressure and dropping into coverage. Yes, injuries have derailed him. Had he been healthy all this time, he wouldn't even be possibility for the Cowboys or anyone else at this point. He impacts the way the OC and QB have to call plays. He makes your Secondary better. He makes the other defensive linemen better with his actual presence versus the RaRa garbage you guys like to pretend Tyrone Crawford allegedly brings to the defense.

Also for the Crawford apologists, Clowney has missed 7 games in the last 4 seasons. Crawford has missed 15 games over that same time.

No one is saying Crawford is better than Clowney. He is cheaper. Even at his current $8 million, he is much cheaper than what Clowney wants and that number is going to go down. He will either take a pay cut or get released. That hypothetical $16 million(which may not even be enough for Clowney) is a big number and doesn't guarantee a big season out of Clowney. He has not proven to be worth that amount. And if he is as great as some make him out to be, then wouldn't it be wise to get him for more than one season. It isn't about Crawford at all in my opinion. They could cut Crawford this morning and I still wouldn't be interested in Clowney for big money. It isn't about Smith or Gregory, either. Neither of them are getting paid a ton. It is about value for Clowney and I dont' think he is worth the big chunk of money he thinks he is worth. Apparently, 32 NFL teams agree, which is why he is still available.
 

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You won't be getting twice the production. Crawford will likely take a pay cut or get cut. Dallas won't be paying him $8 million this year. It isn't Clowney at $16 million versus Crawford at $8 million. It is Crawford at around $4 million. The cost for Clowney will be 4 times as much and the production will be a little better, tut not as much as is needed for a $16 million contract.

Here's the problem with part of your thinking. We've heard nothing from Jerry or Stephan about Crawford going to be forced to take a pay cut of half or get released. This is nothing but speculation by you which isn't any different than all the speculation the sportswriters do all off season that is extremely seldom if ever their peculation comes true.
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Anyone notice how bad the Dline sucked after Crawford went down? He was better on the edge against the run than "pass rush every down" Quinn. He never played the run.

Not at all. Enlighten us as to how exactly "how bad the Dline sucked after Crawford went down"?

I'll wait...
:rolleyes:
 

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Interesting everyone believes they can get Clowney to sign for less than what he now wants. I just don't see him playing until late in the season when a team gets desperate of DL help and willing to pay him around a million or so a game. Believe he will sit out rather than takes less than what he believes he is worth. I am not that big a Clowney fan as he seems to get hurt quite a bit and doesn't seem to give effort on every play, could be wrong, just what I see.
 

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When the cost is twice Crawford
If you can get Clowney for $16/ do it. But I'd be more in to signing Griffin

I think I rather just sign Griff. Though Clowney may be the younger more dynamic player, production will likely be similar when factoring in availability as well. Both have priced themselves above what the market is willing to pay, but Griffen seems like the better value.
 

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LOL ! ... Ok, ya'll keep on tryin' to convince yourself about that, ..:laugh:

There is absolutely no comparison's to a Sack vs Pressure. who is gonna dish out big money contract to an " Almost Anthony " player ?
A man that is always two- three inches away from the QB.. but can never finish the task of getting the QB on the ground.

" Hurries and pressures " are no guarantees to kill big plays and downs,. But a sack is a guarantee that plays are instantly killed.

How often have we've seen countless upon countless games on both NFL and college levels
of QBs scrambling and breaking away away from " hurries" and " pressures " to extend plays to
throw downfield en route to back-breaking big plays ..and many times over game-winning plays

If you get a hurry-pressure, that does not guarantee that back- breaking, scrambling plays will be over
However ,if you get a sack, and puts the QB on the ground- that potential scrambling, extending big play ... becomes instantly dead on the spot.. Play blown dead,
A Hurry or pressure will NEVER compare to a Sack.
I'll take a pressure that gets the team off the field on 3rd and 10 over a sack when the game has already been decided.

That's what I meant. Not a play where a pressure is recorded but the QB gets away and converts the third down.

I felt like that was fairly understood, at least to where you didnt need six paragraphs and an insult to point out that I didnt fully nail the semantics on this one.

But I hope it felt good.
 
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Release Crawford and sign Clowney?

Sure, lets cut off our nose and pour salt in the wound. :facepalm: Clowney is Crawford on steroids. All the things you dislike about Crawford will be magnified by signing Clowney... too costly not enough reward.
 

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Here's the problem with part of your thinking. We've heard nothing from Jerry or Stephan about Crawford going to be forced to take a pay cut of half or get released. This is nothing but speculation by you which isn't any different than all the speculation the sportswriters do all off season that is extremely seldom if ever their peculation comes true.
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A significant amount of posts on this board are speculation. What else is new? If they don't cut Crawford, then trying to sign Clowney is moot. And I will say again, even if they do cut Crawford as I speculate they might possibly do, I don't think Clowney is worth the speculative figure of $16+ million.
 

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A significant amount of posts on this board are speculation. What else is new? If they don't cut Crawford, then trying to sign Clowney is moot. And I will say again, even if they do cut Crawford as I speculate they might possibly do, I don't think Clowney is worth the speculative figure of $16+ million.


I agree with you on the price for Clowney. You are right a lot of what said on this site is speculation, some is factual. The difference is how it's presented. Some will say, if they do this or they could do that which is a lot different than how you put it as they will do this. You stated it like it is a fact while other say it like how it may be or could be.
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I'll take a pressure that gets the team off the field on 3rd and 10 over a sack when the game has already been decided.

That's what I meant. Not a play where a pressure is recorded but the QB gets away and converts the third down.

I felt like that was fairly understood, at least to where you didnt need six paragraphs and an insult to point out that I didnt fully nail the semantics on this one.

But I hope it felt good.

Wow. a pity that a sensitive nerve was hit with you, in just trying to clearly explaining why a hurried-pressure
can never compared to sacks. i think with guys like you and this thinking is you follow cliches' that
are often bounced off the wall so many times over and that it sound good to say, and so many people are
saying it that it must sound true, and you join in to those cliches' without you thinking it out.

Guys that can get big amount of sacks, will also come with pressures.
Because there is a A (sacks) and B (hurries) factors they tend to get paid the bigger contract dollars especially when it comes to edge rushers.
That's why even as poor a run defender as Robert Qunn may have been (and we'll still have to see how
he does in reverting back as a 3-4 OLB in Chicago) ..get paid top dollars in FA, while 3 sacks and once
No.1 pick overall Clowney is still hunting for a similar or bigger Quinn like contract.

A sack on 3rd down " guarantees " there is no chance of improvising, scrambling for extending a play on that
3rd down, ..converting into a new 1st down.
this is not opinion.. it's not sci-fi,.. it's a fact. The whistle is blown because that 3rd down play is instantly called dead, because the QB's body is down on the ground.. because a sack puts him down. Once a player is ruled down, Play dead. Play over.
A hurry or pressure however does not guarantee down, so how is it 'understood' ?
But to each his own,...
 
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