Looking back: Was it a mistake not to go back to Romo

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The way the rule was written, at the time, it was undeniably a catch. He reached for the end zone which was considered a football move. That made it a catch. There absolutely was NOT enough evidence for Blandino to OVERTURN what was (correctly) ruled a catch on the field. Having said that, if Murray doesn't fumble or Hannah just falls on a fumble that was in his lap, we probably aren't even talking about that nightmare play (which was an incredibly clutch playoff pass by Romo for the record). Crazy thing is that Romo was criticized for coming up small in the playoffs, yet he had an 4:1 TD to INT ratio in the postseason. He also threw game-winning passes to Crayton vs NY which Crayton screwed up (dropped one then pulled up on a GREAT late game TD pass). He actually threw 2 game-winning TD passes to T. Williams vs Detroit. Williams dropped the first one and Romo had to throw a SECOND one for it to count. Then the Dez play. All postseason. The NY and GB clutch passes completely change his postseason story. Unfortunately, he didn't have dominant postseason defenses like Eli or Ben - or helmet catches and calls in HIS favor. Between that crap and his injuries, bad luck was the only thing preventing Romo from being considered an all-time great. I think Ben had like 6 top 10 defenses and two #1 D's in his first 10 years! Could you imagine if Romo had that? Give Romo 2 postseasons where the defense gives up 15 PPG like sheli had. I'll never forgive Jones and Garrett for wasting Romo's career.
Bad luck? He brought a lot of those failures on himself. You don’t think Eli or other QB’s had players drop critical passes? The difference is they rose to the occasion and Romo crumbled, literally.

Champions overcome adversity and make big plays in big games which is why Tony was never a champion. You can point to drops, TD’s, etc but when it mattered most he consistently failed to deliver, plain and simple.
 

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Well what is being ignored is Zeke being on that team, something Romo never really had throughout his career.

No matter what we say about Romo getting hurt again, at the end of the day that's just something we don't know. We do know Romo didn't get a chance to play, and if Romo had gotten hurt we still had Dak. Pretty simple really.

Romo should've gotten a chance, Dak was good in that season but its not like we were looking at Kurt Warner.
True, Romo never had the best line in the league or a RB that not only won the Rushin championship but smoked Zeke’s total by almost 200 yards :rolleyes:
 

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Murray in 2014 was very comparable. Didn't have Zeke's athletics but was a bull in the run game.
He was actually used more in the passing game than Zeke was used in 16.

The gameplan for both 14 and 16 were very similar. Control TOP, and their best defense was their offense eating clock.
Superior run game that lead to the passing game being efficient.

It was a waste of resources to go ahead and give it to Dak. If Romo got hurt, we still have Dak. If we do what we did, Romo's value goes to zero and we have nothing to show for it.

Its a bad move from a GM standpoint, regardless of what anyone thinks of Romo/Dak.
 

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Monday morning QBing, all I can say is that it didn't work with Dak in 2016, so logically people can say it MIGHT have been different with Romo. The real difference probably wasn't the QB but the defense and coaching.
 

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It was a waste of resources to go ahead and give it to Dak. If Romo got hurt, we still have Dak. If we do what we did, Romo's value goes to zero and we have nothing to show for it.

Its a bad move from a GM standpoint, regardless of what anyone thinks of Romo/Dak.


Any football fan with any knowledge knows that our best chance at a SB in 2016 with that offense was with Romo and that is not to take away from the rookie season that Dak had! Dak had a great rookie season but he wasn't as good a QB as Romo in 2016, to say that Romo was a better QB than Dak in 2016 is not a knock on Dak, i really do not know what is so hard to understand about that
 

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The rule is utterly stupid and like many that exist can be interpreted within a vagueness depending upon on how the reffing mafioso sees fit. Dez clearly caught the ball in every way a catch is known in all the years football has existed (except when a stupid rule with interpretive bias can be applied), secured it, and made a football move to reach for the goal line. He wouldn't have been able to do the latter if he never had possession. I don't think I've seen a receiver where he tip-toes catches it on the sideline, secures it, is falling down in the process, hits the ground, loses the ball because of ground, and they call it an incomplete pass. That's the same type of thing that can be interpreted as "going to the ground" or whatever nonsense this rule has in its language.

And this is how it happens. No understanding of the rule or the mechanics of the rule so you go straight to CONSPIRACY! A conspiracy orchestrated by 3 separate parties in cahoots with one another who all called the overturn correct. Even on the broadcast itself, Pereira stated that the call would be overturned live before it was announced. It's easy to see if you care about the truth. But fan glasses only want their way so of course, "We wuz robbed." I get it.

To make a football move, you have to actually execute it. That didn't happen with Dez. You can compare what Dez tried to do to thousands of other classic, demonstrative reaches and if you say Dez' is the same, you're just blind and want to bend reality to get your way.
 

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Romo was more fragile than eggshell by 2016. If they had returned him to the starting lineup he would have gotten hit once and injured again. The Cowboys made the right decision.
 

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I wouldn't go down that rabbit hole with this guy on this topic.
He shows up every single time that play is mentioned and will argue no matter what you say.
It's pointless. Regardless of if the rule was dumb and eventually changed, he seems to have another agenda in just for some odd reason wanting Romo, in particular, to fail.
Maybe his boyfriend was an NFL official, I don't know....but he will argue that point till his dying breath.

Lol. Awww, is the little catch theorist trying to look out for the wittle people? Still waiting for you answer from that other thread but I guess this confirms you had nothing and are going the scarred fanboi route. Speaking of scarred, you love trying to accuse people of being haters of Romo and will go to great lengths to defend him. And you're talking about boyfriends? Here's another challenge you'll cower from. Show me anywhere I've trashed Romo that would make me a "hater." On this play or anywhere else. This confirms your pattern though. If you can't debate 'em, trash 'em. The hallmark of an underling in desperate denial of such.
 

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Lol. Awww, is the little catch theorist trying to look out for the wittle people? Still waiting for you answer from that other thread but I guess this confirms you had nothing and are going the scarred fanboi route. Speaking of scarred, you love trying to accuse people of being haters of Romo and will go to great lengths to defend him. And you're talking about boyfriends? Here's another challenge you'll cower from. Show me anywhere I've trashed Romo that would make me a "hater." On this play or anywhere else. This confirms your pattern though. If you can't debate 'em, trash 'em. The hallmark of an underling in desperate denial of such.
I don't cower anywhere, ever.
I responded to you so many times in the past I can't even bother to count.
Same old arguments going round and round.
It makes no difference at this point

I realize it's useless so I was just telling that guy you'll hang onto this topic like a dog to a bone. As if for some strange reason, it's your most favorite topic.
Is what it is.

I might be mistaken, but I think you may've even been in that crowd that said Dallas should not have beaten Detroit the week before. That the game was given to us. Not sure though. If so, that would even magnify my point.

Just old news
 

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It's only flawed because it doesn't say that we would have won the GB game with Romo instead of Dak.

I missed the part where I ever said that it definitely would have be a win. Things are not in a vacuum. There were definitely things that defenses threw at Dak that he would not have seen before. Things that Romo undoubtedly would’ve seen AND beaten before.

No one ever said he would’ve played mistake free... do I think he would’ve played better? Yes, I do. A multiple time pro bowl passer, one of the highest rated to ever play the game, a load of 4th quarter comebacks, 10+ years in the league... give me that over a rookie all day.

You can ride the ‘people don’t respect Dak train’ all day and try to twist it like you’re defending Dak when in reality you just wish to tear down Romo. That’s your choice but the fact is, Romo was a better player in 2016 than Dak was. Romo had a better knowledge and understanding of the game. There is no way to argue that.

Could it have been a loss? Yup, sure could’ve. Favre threw a back breaking pick against the Saints as a Viking and against Giants as a Packer. Romo was a gunslinger like his hero, Favre.
 

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Not even a question.. anyone stupid enough to think Dak was the better option can follow JG and go follow the Giants.

Absolutely horrible call at the time and cost this franchise a possible superbowl and more. Romo wasn't allowed to compete for his job because he was doing more in practise with the 2nd string than Dak was doing with 1st. That last drive against the Eagles.. I realise everyone wants to think the Eagles were laying down.. they weren't. You could find at least 10 Romo drives with the same effortless calm and precision.

Romo was fragile in the end.. the result of being behind a woeful line for many, many years. When we FINALLY built a line.. got it healthy.. and then got a RB to replace Murray (why why why didn't we go in hard in 15?!) we hand the keys to a 4th round rookie.

Dak looked good that year because teams had schemed for Romo.. they started to work him out.. but Dak had Sanchez and Romo in his ear driving the plays.. and we had a very simplified offence that meant Dak was the ultimate dink and dunk bus driver.

Romo would have driven that team all the way to the Lombardi.. no doubt in my mind. I'm still fuming.. not that I was a huge fan of Romo's but because it was such a golden opportunity and we blew it.. why? Because Dak sold more merch??? Because he didn't change plays in the huddle and point out that Carrot was a moron? The NFC sighed with relief when we 'stuck with the hot hand'.. I reckon they would still be getting a laugh out of it.


You might convince more people if you don't exaggerate. How did you exaggerate? Well nobody, not even the media is allowed to watch practices past the warmups and a few 3 on none drills so you either exaggerated or just plain guessed on what both Prescott and Romo did in practices. Either case, neither are factual accounts. Next Romo had miss a lot of games and NOBODY here can say as fact that Romo might not have had some rust and his timing could have been off thus costing some games. I liked Romo but I also agree with a lot of coaches in most sports that you ride the winning hand while it's hot and don't mess with the mojo.

As I said I like Romo but in his last year as the starter with the same line the Cowboys had in 2016 and the same receivers and TE's the Cowboys went 4 - 12. They didn't have Elliott but to listen to you Romo himself should have made up for that.

In Romo's 9 years as the full time starter he missed games to injuries in 6 of them including missing games in the last 4 years as a Cowboy. There is zero guarantee that Romo would have stayed healthy had he got his starting job back and if got injured again would Prescott still have the same confidence he had building 9 wins in a row but then getting benched after only losing the 1st game of the season as a rookie.

You may still really wished that Romo had gotten his job back but there is less than zero guarantees that he would have not gotten injured again and that the Cowboys would have gone to and won the Super Bowl. You're welcome to your opinion but your opinion isn't facts.
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.Let me quote you "the NFC sighed with relief when we 'stuck with the hot hand'.. I reckon they would still be getting a laugh out of it." Why would they still be laughing when the Cowboys won the NFC East and the Giants lost in the wildcard game?

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i agree tony was fresh and sharp where usually he would be beat up from the season
i think they make the sb and maybe win it
i will always think that and starting a rookie was just stupid just look at history no rookie has ever won a sb

and they did screw tony by giving him not even a chance to compete for the job
the jones boys had found themselves a "cheap" good qb and it was too much to resist !
if stephen saw a dollar bill on a windy day he would chase it down and get it lol

but they forgot the old saying you get what you pay for !!!!!!!!! lol
I don't think it had anything to do with money. I think Jerry and Garrett were just superstitious about "playing the hot hand".
 

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True, Romo never had the best line in the league or a RB that not only won the Rushin championship but smoked Zeke’s total by almost 200 yards :rolleyes:

It's crazy to think about Demarco Murray's 2014 season
 

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Probably but there is no going back now.

Whats funny is that Tony might be getting the last laugh. Not only does he have a huge new TV deal but Tony's agent was also Todd France of CAA.......
 

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I don't cower anywhere, ever.
I responded to you so many times in the past I can't even bother to count.
Same old arguments going round and round.
It makes no difference at this point

I realize it's useless so I was just telling that guy you'll hang onto this topic like a dog to a bone. As if for some strange reason, it's your most favorite topic.
Is what it is.

I might be mistaken, but I think you may've even been in that crowd that said Dallas should not have beaten Detroit the week before. That the game was given to us. Not sure though. If so, that would even magnify my point.

Just old news

But you didn't respond in that last thread though but no worries because there really was no reply to be had.

And I think grown men can look out for themselves to decide what's useless for them. My "favorite topic" is always anti-whining. So I like to show people proof to the contrary see what they do with it. My theory is people like claiming they want truth except when they want their way. Then truth gets bent like formed 10-gauge steel that ego won't let be bent back. In that sense, being faced with the truth is "useless." So then CONSPIRACY! gets created to overcome it like a blanket placed over a mess no one wants to look at. But the truth is still there.

And yes, you are mistaken. Hurling slander as a defense for not having anything in response is poor form. But so is my theory above so carry on.
 
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