Ezekiel Elliott contract isn't bad at all

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Your top players get paid. I wish contract info was confidential so fans would concern themselves more with the talent on the field rather than crunching numbers on an Excel spreadsheet. If Zeke doesn’t make as much money then the Jeff Heath’s in the league will make more money. Or we could get rid of Zeke and get another top player who we would say is paid too much.

Quit worrying about the salary cap and worry about Jerry getting players in here to field the best team possible. We just had Dak significantly outperform his rookie contract and the team was too busy penny pinching to take advantage of it We are in no better shape being out of “salary cap hell” if we are too afraid to spend it on talent. We can’t meet the salary cap minimum by just having rookie, vet minimum, or team friendly deals. Some players are going to get overpaid.
 

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In my view, Zeke's contract is actually pretty good for the team.

Elliot has a 10.9 million cap hit this year, which he is obviously worth. I think that cap hit is about the same as his 5th year option would have been..

In 2021, #21 has a cap hit of 13.7 million. Granted that is high, but if his play only slightly declines, Zeke will still be worth it.

In 2022, if Zeke's becomes innefective or isn't a RB opposing defenses fear anymore, (or if Pollard becomes the RB1 or we find a diamond in the rough in the 2021 draft) he can be designated as a post-June 1st cut. Doing so, would result in a 4.1 million dead money hit but create 12.4 million in cap savings.

So basically, we have Zeke on the team this year and in 2021. I hope he can reverse the trend of RBs having a short shelf life in recent years, but it is good to know that the front office can release him after the 2021 season he can be released if needed.

(Sorry if this topic seems distasteful given the recent news on Zeke, but just wanted to look at his contract again since it's been almost a year since his deal was done.)

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This was a great deal for both the Cowboys and Zeke! The Cowboys almost couldnt screw up the contract talks with Zeke because RBs are so underpaid. And Zeke didnt even have to play out his rookie contract.
 

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Conversely when most Cowboy fans look through Prescott's impending contract they will puke up their guts. Once the realisation fully sets in that we will be wasting another 4 years and the remaining years of Tyrone Smith and Zack Martin
Bingo! I totally agree! I actually think the Cowboys have leaned so heavily on Zeke because of Prescott that Zeke will be a casualty of the Prescott era too! You dont see teams like NE or the Saints run their best RB into the ground. They rotate them and dont always rely on them to carry the team because they have a QB that can do it also.
 

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These deals are almost never as bad as they look in print.

If Dallas wants Zeke for that 3rd year they could easily restructure him to lower that cap hit to 7-8M by adding 2 years and paying his yearly sal up front.

Most of these mega deals end up with guys making about 60% of the reported amount.
For instance Tony Romo signed an 103M extension with Dallas in 2013.

He played 4 more years and made 65M.
His CAREER NFLearnings are 127M.

A lot of contract money isn't real.
In print, it never did look bad. A person with half a brain could see, the contract Zeke signed was good for the team. It's the folks that didn't read the actual wording on the contract and don't understand contracts get restructured all the time that thought Zeke's contract was bad. Our friend @aria comes to mind
 

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Was just saying this the other day. By holding out 2 year early it’s a extension and I think they spread it over 6 years instead of 4. He got a 8 million dollar signing bonus and his guaranteed money is all paid up after 2022. We could cut him and have 6.7 in dead money. He is good till then at least. If Pollard gets some more reps or a few series a game and does good then it’s gonna start to push Elliot.

If he shakes the corona and shows up through camp he will be healthy to start the season...
 

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IMO it wasn't a bad deal, nor is it a great deal. What made it polarizing was his way of getting the deal done, not showing up for camp, and making almost every player get asked about the dispute till he actually came back.
His cap hits are fine unless he stops caring about football. When it spikes at or above 15 mil, the new TV contracts will be in place and hopefully the cap shoots up then. While the deal was signed early, it allowed them to throw prorated SB into his rookie deal, allowing the cap hits not to be as high as if it was a 6-90 deal starting from scratch.

Like Quincy said, he isn't really an elite back in any way, unless you count durability as a trait or being a bellcow type back as one. He's is/was a power back that could handle high loads and wear down a defense. His explosiveness went away along with any shiftyness. He sort of adapted Murray's style of trying to run over people instead of making them miss you.

That being said, he still is an overall very good rounded back that isn't a liability in any phase of the offense. And maybe with a new regime in here we can see a different, maybe lighter footed Zeke here. I remember Felix Jones early on being this explosive change of pace back. Then he tried to bulk up to maybe get more touches and well he lost what made him special by gaining weight. So, I'm curious if Zeke "bulked" up due to coaching request or due to wanting to protect himself from 350+ touches a year. Or maybe I'm way off and need to go on meds.
 

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Bingo! I totally agree! I actually think the Cowboys have leaned so heavily on Zeke because of Prescott that Zeke will be a casualty of the Prescott era too! You dont see teams like NE or the Saints run their best RB into the ground. They rotate them and dont always rely on them to carry the team because they have a QB that can do it also.
Let’s see how MM runs them this year. He has never had a running tandem like this before.
 

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Bingo! I totally agree! I actually think the Cowboys have leaned so heavily on Zeke because of Prescott that Zeke will be a casualty of the Prescott era too! You dont see teams like NE or the Saints run their best RB into the ground. They rotate them and dont always rely on them to carry the team because they have a QB that can do it also.
Because NE pays 3 runnings backs combined what Zeke makes by himself as far as the 2020 cap is concerned. Don't just read the headline... the title is clickbait.
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In my view, Zeke's contract is actually pretty good for the team.

Elliot has a 10.9 million cap hit this year, which he is obviously worth. I think that cap hit is about the same as his 5th year option would have been..

In 2021, #21 has a cap hit of 13.7 million. Granted that is high, but if his play only slightly declines, Zeke will still be worth it.

In 2022, if Zeke's becomes innefective or isn't a RB opposing defenses fear anymore, (or if Pollard becomes the RB1 or we find a diamond in the rough in the 2021 draft) he can be designated as a post-June 1st cut. Doing so, would result in a 4.1 million dead money hit but create 12.4 million in cap savings.

So basically, we have Zeke on the team this year and in 2021. I hope he can reverse the trend of RBs having a short shelf life in recent years, but it is good to know that the front office can release him after the 2021 season he can be released if needed.

(Sorry if this topic seems distasteful given the recent news on Zeke, but just wanted to look at his contract again since it's been almost a year since his deal was done.)

#21 :starspin:
we all knew this sans a few haters most contracts that Jerry and Stephen have done SEEM on the outside like they caved but actual language in all contract have been teams friendly..

exception one guy who is now the 'lawnmower man' who am I speaking of who wont budge and has an ego that fits TX but skills that dont match?
 

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Your top players get paid. I wish contract info was confidential so fans would concern themselves more with the talent on the field rather than crunching numbers on an Excel spreadsheet. If Zeke doesn’t make as much money then the Jeff Heath’s in the league will make more money. Or we could get rid of Zeke and get another top player who we would say is paid too much.

Quit worrying about the salary cap and worry about Jerry getting players in here to field the best team possible. We just had Dak significantly outperform his rookie contract and the team was too busy penny pinching to take advantage of it We are in no better shape being out of “salary cap hell” if we are too afraid to spend it on talent. We can’t meet the salary cap minimum by just having rookie, vet minimum, or team friendly deals. Some players are going to get overpaid.

By that rationale, I would like to overpay more important positions like QB lol. That being said I don't agree with that premise. The Cowboys only wasteful cap hits are Zeke and Tyrone Crawford and the Cowboys still have plenty of holes. And even there the cap hits aren't a ridiculous waste of money; only a few million between the two of them.
 
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By that rationale, I would like to overpay more important positions like QB lol. That being said I don't agree with that premise. The Cowboys only wasteful cap hits are Zeke and Tyrone Crawford and the Cowboys still have plenty of holes. And even there the cap hits aren't a ridiculous waste of money; only a few million between the two of them.
That's your opinion and I respect that. People also feel Zeke is overpaid, Dak will be overpaid, DLaw is overpaid, Jaylon is overpaid, and Cooper is overpaid. And while there may be plenty of holes, you need to be able to acquire players worthy of spending CAP dollars on. And what happens when we discuss free agents? We talk about how we have to overpay or shop in the bargain bin. People are too concerned with the salary cap.
 

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IMO it wasn't a bad deal, nor is it a great deal. What made it polarizing was his way of getting the deal done, not showing up for camp, and making almost every player get asked about the dispute till he actually came back.
His cap hits are fine unless he stops caring about football. When it spikes at or above 15 mil, the new TV contracts will be in place and hopefully the cap shoots up then. While the deal was signed early, it allowed them to throw prorated SB into his rookie deal, allowing the cap hits not to be as high as if it was a 6-90 deal starting from scratch.

Like Quincy said, he isn't really an elite back in any way, unless you count durability as a trait or being a bellcow type back as one. He's is/was a power back that could handle high loads and wear down a defense. His explosiveness went away along with any shiftyness. He sort of adapted Murray's style of trying to run over people instead of making them miss you.

That being said, he still is an overall very good rounded back that isn't a liability in any phase of the offense. And maybe with a new regime in here we can see a different, maybe lighter footed Zeke here. I remember Felix Jones early on being this explosive change of pace back. Then he tried to bulk up to maybe get more touches and well he lost what made him special by gaining weight. So, I'm curious if Zeke "bulked" up due to coaching request or due to wanting to protect himself from 350+ touches a year. Or maybe I'm way off and need to go on meds.
There is zero way I assign ANY blame to Zeke for wanting to get paid.
He was the best player on a 13-3 team as a rookie.
He'd been a top 5 player (and the best at his position) throughout his rookie deal and he plays a position where every touch is one less for his career.
He felt compelled to get his deal done while DE/WR/QB could coast because they knew by waiting they'd make even more money.
And they darn sure did.
RB couldn't coast.
It is still the position of have-nots and that isn't changing.
2 or 3 OL, QB. a couple DL and possibly a WR(possibly 2) will make more money than Zeke during the period of his contract.
This year with no cap reductions Zeke is only 6th on the team in cap hit but the RB hating portion of the fan-base loves to talk about him like he makes insane money.
 

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There is zero way I assign ANY blame to Zeke for wanting to get paid.
He was the best player on a 13-3 team as a rookie.
He'd been a top 5 player (and the best at his position) throughout his rookie deal and he plays a position where every touch is one less for his career.
He felt compelled to get his deal done while DE/WR/QB could coast because they knew by waiting they'd make even more money.
And they darn sure did.
RB couldn't coast.
It is still the position of have-nots and that isn't changing.
2 or 3 OL, QB. a couple DL and possibly a WR(possibly 2) will make more money than Zeke during the period of his contract.
This year with no cap reductions Zeke is only 6th on the team in cap hit but the RB hating portion of the fan-base loves to talk about him like he makes insane money.

It was polarizing to some fans, IMO.
I'm not saying he deserves blame, but if you recall on here 11 months ago there was a lot of hate thrown his way for the way he was wanting to get paid asap.
 

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Get back to me after his next assault accusation pops up. Any amount of money is bad money for something like that.
 

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we all knew this sans a few haters most contracts that Jerry and Stephen have done SEEM on the outside like they caved but actual language in all contract have been teams friendly..

exception one guy who is now the 'lawnmower man' who am I speaking of who wont budge and has an ego that fits TX but skills that dont match?
Quit talking about me.. I just want my worth..
 
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