Video: Is Tony Romo a Hall of Famer? Jesse Holley says

sunalsorises · Jun 19, 2020

Irvin88_4life said:
Romo won't be considered for the Hall of Fame on 1st ballot or many after. Those other guys will play some more years, retire and after 5 years still get in before Romo is considered.

That’s basically what I am saying. If Romo has a shot at all it will be because he has little to no competition at QB on his first try or two. I just don’t see it mattering.

Plankton · Jun 19, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
Unless you want to start removing guys, how would you think he's not a Ring of Honor player? Or to put it another way, write your Ring of Honor qualification list that excludes Romo but doesn't kick anyone else out.

Team accomplishments under his tenure. His teams never made a championship game. Meredith made two. White made three, and he's not in.

I think that the Ring of Honor is for the very best that the franchise put out there. I don't think Romo makes the cut. JMO.

DFWJC · Jun 19, 2020

Whirlwin said:
Actually Garrett was decent when he was with Tony Romo. He didn’t get bad until last three seasons

You mean, we didn't start using Garrett as an excuse (maybe even correctly) until the last 3 years.
Right?

Garratt has been Garrett all along

OmerV · Jun 19, 2020

JoeKing said:
Did you get distracted by someone else's comment? HoF worthy? yes or no?

Are you really not aware that these threads evolve into discussion and every post is not limited to the strict confines of what the OP wrote? I'm confident you have had discussions in threads yourself that fell outside the strict confines of the OP's words.

Look around the thread - every post isn't confined to a strict yes or no on the OP's question, and if you paid attention, I was responding to someone else who said Romo's career was destroyed, so it wasn't even me that originally veered from the specific topic of the OP. Why not respond to everyone like this instead of singling me out?

But, if you want me to only answer whether Romo is a Hall of Famer, my answer is no. HOF voters like to see post season success in a QB, and absent that the stats typically have to be overwhelming to make it, like they were with Fouts and Moon at the time they retired.

Super_Kazuya · Jun 19, 2020

Plankton said:
Team accomplishments under his tenure. His teams never made a championship game. Meredith made two. White made three, and he's not in.

I think that the Ring of Honor is for the very best that the franchise put out there. I don't think Romo makes the cut. JMO.

I mean that's pretty lame... the only reason Meredith made it to a championship game is because it was the only round of the playoffs. Meredith played in two "championship" games but only had one playoff win.. less than Romo. And it's a stretch as an accomplishment anyway, maybe if you make it to the Super Bowl and lose, fine note that. But championship game, you still had a lot of work to do to even sniff a title. Romo's legacy doesn't change one bit if Dez caught it and they get flushed down the can the next week.

But the biggest reason you'll need to go back to the drawing board for that requirement is that you've now excluded Witten and Ware.

ABQCOWBOY · Jun 19, 2020

DFWJC · Jun 19, 2020

I get that it is getting easier and easier to pile up numbers for QBs. For example, if he plays long enough, Dak will probably end up owning most Cowboys passing records due to the era he is in and his durability.

But if you do any means of era-adjustments to the stats, Romo still ends up very high on all-time lists. Roger is at the top when it comes to Cowboys--era adjusted stats-wise--but Tony is not too far behind him.

I think he'll make Dallas' Ring of Honor someday.

HOF is a different story though.

Plankton · Jun 19, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
I mean that's pretty lame... the only reason Meredith made it to a championship game is because it was the only round of the playoffs. Meredith played in two "championship" games but only had one playoff win.. less than Romo. And it's a stretch as an accomplishment anyway, maybe if you make it to the Super Bowl and lose, fine note that. But championship game, you still had a lot of work to do to even sniff a title. Romo's legacy doesn't change one bit if Dez caught it and they get flushed down the can the next week.

But the biggest reason you'll need to go back to the drawing board for that requirement is that you've now excluded Witten and Ware.

Ware was an All-Decade player, a four time first team All-Pro, made 7 Pro Bowls as a Cowboy and is a sure fire Hall of Famer. Witten was an 11 time Pro Bowler, a two time first team All-Pro, and a sure fire Hall of Famer. Not even a debate whether they should be in. They were the best players at their position in franchise history, and it's not even close. Romo is, at best, the third best QB in franchise history. While that's not a crime on a team that had Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman, it doesn't cement his place in the ROH, especially when you don't see the post-season success of the QBs in the ROH.

Super_Kazuya · Jun 19, 2020

Plankton said:
Ware was an All-Decade player, a four time first team All-Pro, made 7 Pro Bowls as a Cowboy and is a sure fire Hall of Famer. Witten was an 11 time Pro Bowler, a two time first team All-Pro, and a sure fire Hall of Famer. Not even a debate whether they should be in. They were the best players at their position in franchise history, and it's not even close. Romo is, at best, the third best QB in franchise history. While that's not a crime on a team that had Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman, it doesn't cement his place in the ROH, especially when you don't see the post-season success of the QBs in the ROH.

Ok, fair enough... so now you've made the requirement that you have to make it to a championship game and be an All-Pro.
You have now excluded Don Meredith, Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman. Back to the drawing board again for you.

Qcard · Jun 19, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Just so sad how bad Garrett was and how Jerry ruined an entire decade and a half with that loser. Careers like Romo were destroyed. Romo could have been a Drew Brees success story.

We all knew Romo was doing what he did in spite of Garrett. This is more confirmation.

Jake said:
As much as I like Tony, and agree that Garrett did more to hurt than help, I'm afraid Romo belongs in the Hall of Very Good.

Exactly, this is where RIng of Honor steps in

Jesse Holley got paid because of Romo highlighting Jesse beyond special teams.

KJJ · Jun 19, 2020

Holley commented that it’s all about Super Bowls and it’s not all about Super Bowls and if it was Dan Marino, Warren Moon and Dan Foutes wouldn’t be in the Hall of Fame.

Plankton · Jun 19, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
Ok, fair enough... so now you've made the requirement that you have to make it to a championship game and be an All-Pro.
You have now excluded Don Meredith, Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman. Back to the drawing board again for you.

Two of those guys won Super Bowls, and were Super Bowl MVPs. One was the best player at his position in franchise history, and an All-Decade performer. One was a three time Super Bowl champion and the first QB to win 100 games in a decade in NFL history. The other was a second team All-Pro in 1966 and the QB of the team when it rose from a expansion team to a run of 20 consecutive winning seasons. Meredith probably has the weakest case, but his placing there was as symbolic as anything else, considering that he was one of the first signings in franchise history.

You know, it is OK for people to have different opinions, right? There's no drawing board necessary for this. I don't think that Romo belongs in the ROH, but also think he was very underrated by a segment of this fan base.

pete026 · Jun 19, 2020

As far as the ROH is concerned, what you really need to decide is do you "adjust your standard" for this era of Cowboy's football and its lack of team success?

I would say yes because there are influences beyond the player that had a significant effect on that lack of success. Even outside the Cowboy organization to some extent.

If you agree that it should then I don't see how Romo is left out. What surprised me was the strength of the present membership because I hadn't look at it in awhile. It really represents the strength of the organization from inception to the mid 90s. We all know, after that it gets ugly.

Super_Kazuya · Jun 19, 2020

Plankton said:
Two of those guys won Super Bowls, and were Super Bowl MVPs. One was the best player at his position in franchise history, and an All-Decade performer. One was a three time Super Bowl champion and the first QB to win 100 games in a decade in NFL history. The other was a second team All-Pro in 1966 and the QB of the team when it rose from a expansion team to a run of 20 consecutive winning seasons. Meredith probably has the weakest case, but his placing there was as symbolic as anything else, considering that he was one of the first signings in franchise history.

You know, it is OK for people to have different opinions, right? There's no drawing board necessary for this. I don't think that Romo belongs in the ROH, but also think he was very underrated by a segment of this fan base.

LOL, all you are doing is making my point for me as you continue to make the requirements more complex. I didn’t say you were wrong or that your opinion was wrong. But Romo IS going to the Ring of Honor, so again to say he doesn’t belong would imply that he doesn’t fit the requirements of the people that are already there. He played his whole career for the Cowboys, there are players currently in the Ring who didn’t. There are currently players in the Ring who have less than his 4 Pro Bowls and who aren’t top 5 in NFL history and all-time franchise history like he is. So anybody can play that game.
Now I concede that when he goes in, Romo will be close to the bottom when it comes to accomplished careers in the Ring... no argument there. But there is no rational argument to say he doesn’t belong based on the current group, and no one can write a reasonable criteria that excludes him without excluding others.

BHendri5 · Jun 19, 2020

Hell yea Romo is a HALL OF FAMER!!! . Jerry was in the way his whole career, Jerry also was in Garrett way as well.
Jesse Holley is just repeating something someone else has said, Holley don’t know football

Vtwin · Jun 19, 2020

I'd give Romo a yes vote.

Based on individual talent he deserves it far more than Eli does.

JoeKing · Jun 19, 2020

OmerV said:
Are you really not aware that these threads evolve into discussion and every post is not limited to the strict confines of what the OP wrote? I'm confident you have had discussions in threads yourself that fell outside the strict confines of the OP's words.

Look around the thread - every post isn't confined to a strict yes or no on the OP's question, and if you paid attention, I was responding to someone else who said Romo's career was destroyed, so it wasn't even me that originally veered from the specific topic of the OP. Why not respond to everyone like this instead of singling me out?

But, if you want me to only answer whether Romo is a Hall of Famer, my answer is no. HOF voters like to see post season success in a QB, and absent that the stats typically have to be overwhelming to make it, like they were with Fouts and Moon at the time they retired.

I'll take that monolog as a "yes" you got distracted and went on a tangent.

At least we agree on the, "no" he ain't no HoF'er.

65fastback2plus2 · Jun 19, 2020

robjay04 said:
He doesn’t even have a MVP, he was never once considered “the best” at any point of his career.

The rest is your opinion, but this part is a fact, and a blatantly false fact.

https://nflspinzone.com/2014/12/27/tony-romo-good-mvp-candidate-anyone/

https://www.nfl.com/news/tony-romo-deserves-mvp-for-driving-dallas-cowboys-success-0ap3000000448444

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2125687-why-tony-romo-can-win-the-nfl-mvp-award-in-2014

They even had to try and pull out new statistics to try and discount him as being the best in 2014.

https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/100425/metrics-favor-rodgers-over-romo-for-mvp

JoeKing · Jun 19, 2020

BHendri5 said:
Hell yea Romo is a HALL OF FAMER!!! . Jerry was in the way his whole career, Jerry also was in Garrett way as well.
Jesse Holley is just repeating something someone else has said, Holley don’t know football

I agree with you about Holley. That's how you earned the "like", Not so much about the rest.

dckid · Jun 19, 2020

DFWJC said:
The Cowboys are/were far above 8-8 on average under both Romo and Dak.

Ok you are right.
Big picture not much of a difference on whether Romo is a HOF or not.Which he clearly isnt.
He is in the Hall of very good, but a good portion of HOF discussion is where did said player rank among his peers during his time in the league.
That is unfortunately where his case comes apart. As Cowboys fans if a few games go differently, we are probably in 3 possible championship games and then maybe its a meaningful discussion.

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