Ezekiel Elliott contract isn't bad at all

J12B · Jun 19, 2020

Sydla said:
The worst part of the Elliott deal?

Jerry likely caved which now lights up a big neon sign that says if you push Jerry to the limit of a season starting, he'll panic and give you mostly what you want.

Did you not see those 6 games where Zeke was suspended in 2017? It was pathetic.

Sydla · Jun 19, 2020

J12B said:
Did you not see those 6 games where Zeke was suspended in 2017? It was pathetic.

Did you see the other 10 games that season when we had Elliott?

People act like this team was 8-2 with him and the bottom dropped out when we lost him.

They were 5-3 before he got suspended, 1-1 when he got back (which included that 6-0 win over the 3rd string Eagles i nWeek 17), and 3-3 when he was out. So let's not act like Elliott being out somehow derailed some sort of great season.

That's not to say Elliott isn't a good player. But to act like he's some sort of generational player that had to be paid is ridiculous IMO. And that's not being anti-Elliott. I don't think it's smart for any team to pay a TB a lot of money.

beware_d-ware · Jun 19, 2020

Been fine with the Zeke deal since Day 1 and I still am.

Zeke is owed $23M over the next two years. The Broncos just signed Melvin Gordon for 2 years/$15M and that dude couldn't carry Zeke's jock.

J12B · Jun 19, 2020

Sydla said:
Did you see the other 10 games that season when we had Elliott?

People act like this team was 8-2 with him and the bottom dropped out when we lost him.

They were 5-3 before he got suspended, 1-1 when he got back (which included that 6-0 win over the 3rd string Eagles i nWeek 17), and 3-3 when he was out. So let's not act like Elliott being out somehow derailed some sort of great season.

That's not to say Elliott isn't a good player. But to act like he's some sort of generational player that had to be paid is ridiculous IMO. And that's not being anti-Elliott. I don't think it's smart for any team to pay a TB a lot of money.

Good points.

beware_d-ware · Jun 19, 2020

As far as the missed games with Elliott in 2017- the other confounding variable there is the loss of Tyron Smith over about the same time frame. How much of that offensive struggle could be caused by losing your Hall of Fame left tackle as well.

Sydla · Jun 19, 2020

J12B said:
Good points.

Again, to be clear, it's not that I am anti-Elliott like some are. He's clearly a very good player. But my personal philosophy is that in a salary cap world there are positions where a bargain can and should be found. TB is one of those positions. I'd feel the same way about Dallas paying a TB if we had Kamara or Gurley or Johnson or Barkley.

John813 · Jun 19, 2020

beware_d-ware said:
As far as the missed games with Elliott in 2017- the other confounding variable there is the loss of Tyron Smith over about the same time frame. How much of that offensive struggle could be caused by losing your Hall of Fame left tackle as well.

The drop off from Zeke to Morris/McFadden wasn't as bad as the poopshow that was the disaster of Green/Bell/whoever trying to replace Smith.

blueblood70 · Jun 19, 2020

jterrell said:
There is zero way I assign ANY blame to Zeke for wanting to get paid.
He was the best player on a 13-3 team as a rookie.
He'd been a top 5 player (and the best at his position) throughout his rookie deal and he plays a position where every touch is one less for his career.
He felt compelled to get his deal done while DE/WR/QB could coast because they knew by waiting they'd make even more money.
And they darn sure did.
RB couldn't coast.
It is still the position of have-nots and that isn't changing.
2 or 3 OL, QB. a couple DL and possibly a WR(possibly 2) will make more money than Zeke during the period of his contract.
This year with no cap reductions Zeke is only 6th on the team in cap hit but the RB hating portion of the fan-base loves to talk about him like he makes insane money.

J12B · Jun 19, 2020

Sydla said:
Again, to be clear, it's not that I am anti-Elliott like some are. He's clearly a very good player. But my personal philosophy is that in a salary cap world there are positions where a bargain can and should be found. TB is one of those positions. I'd feel the same way about Dallas paying a TB if we had Kamara or Gurley or Johnson or Barkley.

I totally get that.

It just seemed to me with the way the 2018 season ended, losing to the Rams, Jerry and the front offoce knew a playoff team was assembled and removing Zeke was too risky. He wants to win a Superbowl and not having Zeke would have reduced those chances.

Plus Zeke has been reliable in terms of health and is probably the leading rusher since being drafted #4 overall in 2016.

Jerry had to pay him.

jaythecowboy · Jun 19, 2020

kskboys said:
No way Coop was worth 20 mil per. And you think Jaylon has been worth his salary?

Cooper was definitely worth $20 million. Jaylon Smith had a down year but his cap hit for 2019 was less than $3 million. His cap for 2020 is only $7 million. Hopefully he can return to his 2018 production but it is too early to say that was a bad contract.

ABQCOWBOY · Jun 19, 2020

J12B said:
(Sorry if this topic seems distasteful given the recent news on Zeke, but just wanted to look at his contract again since it's been almost a year since his deal was done.)

#21

Could be worse. Could be Ford Motor Company releasing a new Ford Bronco on O.J.'s Birthday.

:laugh:

jterrell · Jun 19, 2020

J12B said:
I totally get that.

It just seemed to me with the way the 2018 season ended, losing to the Rams, Jerry and the front offoce knew a playoff team was assembled and removing Zeke was too risky. He wants to win a Superbowl and not having Zeke would have reduced those chances.

Plus Zeke has been reliable in terms of health and is probably the leading rusher since being drafted #4 overall in 2016.

Jerry had to pay him.

The Cowboys last playoff game was lost because RBs mashed us to death.
Dak actually passed better than Goff but we lost by quite a lot.

I have been a passing is king guy long before nerd twitter got ahold of made up stats proving just that (which they sat out to prove by creating said stats).
All that said running the ball IS important.
Having an RB who blocks well and can also run the ball very well is very important.
And we know having a RB who can catch the ball out of the backfield is important.

On the first 2 areas Zeke is elite. Easily top 5 in each and overall. In the third he can use some focus and work on hands and route running; simply being a more natural receiver.

RB is tough in general and I was AGAINST drafting Zeke at 4. I mean seriously in disbelief against it.
Dallas had made insane production per pick with Murray and others.

BUT, what Zeke did here was immediate and special. He has not been a choir boy off the field but he is certainly not dramatic like Ramsey.
And those were easily the top 5 guys so options were pretty much down to those 2.

Ultimately, Dallas did draft him and I moved passed my beliefs to judge him on performance and he has been elite.

Toruk_Makto · Jun 19, 2020

Corso said:
His contract was never that bad. Just a boilerplate for arguments by peeps who don't dig into the intricacies of things.

Zeke's contract is terrible.

Every dollar allocated to the RB above the minimum is money inefficiently spent.

Just fact of life.

zerofill · Jun 19, 2020

MarcusRock said:
Waited his turn? He played out his entire contract. Zeke is happy he didn't wait his turn. Worked out great for him. Best advice from an agent, ever. In fact, when Zeke was getting criticized, Dak was held out as the fine example of a player waiting his turn. Now he's the Devil for waiting his turn and having the audacity to want the going rate. He probably should have held out with Zeke together. They'll hate you if you do, hate you if you don't.

I think Zeke was more getting criticized for it, because of his off field issues.

Kaiser · Jun 19, 2020

Corso said:
His contract was never that bad. Just a boilerplate for arguments by peeps who don't dig into the intricacies of things.

And haters who have never been to Cabo.

I really think Dak's deal is going be the same thing, four billion threads before a deal comes out that sounds really high but is actually a fairly team friendly deal.

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 19, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Guess who is holding out right this second....

Your posts literally couldn't make any less sense.

Someone...I can; t remember who...has been trying to make the argument Dak ISN'T holding out yet...as he still has a contract.....or some such thing. But I htink pappy was referring to LASTyear...hold out with zeke?

Anyway...yes....I do regard it as dak is holding out. We shall see!

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 19, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Adequate is a good word. But the Browns have Chubb. A back that actually can make big plays. They don't need Zeke. And the Bengals have Joe Mixon. They don't need Zeke either.

Chubb will continue to do well for another year or two.....then get overpaid.

Kaiser · Jun 19, 2020

jterrell said:
RB is tough in general and I was AGAINST drafting Zeke at 4. I mean seriously in disbelief against it.
Dallas had made insane production per pick with Murray and others.

BUT, what Zeke did here was immediate and special. He has not been a choir boy off the field but he is certainly not dramatic like Ramsey.
And those were easily the top 5 guys so options were pretty much down to those 2.
.

Same here, I wanted Jalen Ramsey and I was wrong.

Its true you generally don't spend a high #1 on a RB. But if you have a chance at a special back like AD or Tomlinson, you have to take it. You have to play cap management games at some position, but if you want to win a Super Bowl you need special players like Zeke.

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 19, 2020

Direwolf63 said:
Dude.

Love your avatar.

We should ALL celebrate that!

I know right.....we should all be happy as clams yet here we sit bickering about sill sheet.

Ranching · Jun 19, 2020

Direwolf63 said:
Dude.

Love your avatar.

We should ALL celebrate that!

Lol!!! That's a perfect shirt!! Salud

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