Video: Is Tony Romo a Hall of Famer? Jesse Holley says

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Romo was awesome. He’s not a hall of famer as a player, though. Maybe he gets in when including post-playing career after commentating and, maybe, coaching. He could be the first guy to reach the pinnacle in all three areas.

I feel bad for Holley that he’s out of things that make him relevant to Cowboys fans. It was a good run for him though, considering the quality of player he actually was.

I'll be surprised if Romo goes into coaching. I think he's got a long career ahead of him in the booth.
 

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I'll take that monolog as a "yes" you got distracted and went on a tangent.

At least we agree on the, "no" he ain't no HoF'er.
lol - and you never have wandered into a side discussion in a thread …

And, I'm the only one that did in this one …

lol, why even pretend that, and, again, why single me out among all the others?
 

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No, he was as defined by his mistakes as well as the things he did well. He never advanced to the NFCCG, let alone the SB, and E. Manning is probably a long shot to make it with 2 rings.

Are they going to present players to the HOF with comments that the HC head him back? What a joke, just like that moron from a reality show. He doesn't even know how to watch a QB play, Holley is milking no talent to the extreme, crappy player and a worse talking head.

Did Romo's lack of a supporting cast on offense limit his ability to accomplish more that he was able to do? He lost his job to a 4th round rookie 3rd string QB, no bust for him.

Some of y'all need to be honest with yourselves, your Romo on a pedestal is only because he was a Cowboy and the only reason he was so well known was because of that, it sure as hell wasn't accomplishments.
 

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Ok you are right.
Big picture not much of a difference on whether Romo is a HOF or not.Which he clearly isnt.
He is in the Hall of very good, but a good portion of HOF discussion is where did said player rank among his peers during his time in the league.
That is unfortunately where his case comes apart. As Cowboys fans if a few games go differently, we are probably in 3 possible championship games and then maybe its a meaningful discussion.

The difference between the Hall of Fame and the Hall of Very Good, though, is team, not the player. Romo's numbers are Hall of Fame worthy outside of playoff victories, which is a team number, and ranked very highly among his peers. I think he would have a chance at the hall if he'd left Dallas and went to a team built to win (with a quality coach in place) when he had the chance. Selfishly, I'm glad he stayed a Cowboy, but it would have been a good career move in 2013. He had the best year of his career in 2014 and was in the MVP discussion. Somewhere else and he might have a Super Bowl ring to go along with it.
 

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I'll be surprised if Romo goes into coaching. I think he's got a long career ahead of him in the booth.

Same. He has it all right now. Time during the week for his family and on the weekends, for 4-5 months, he flies out to various parts of the US to talk for ~3 hours. And gets paid an 8-figure yearly salary.

I doubt he wants to be away from his kids, spending all day/night at a football facility for half the year while his kids grow up.


https://www.menshealth.com/style/a20064291/tony-romo-interview/

"I'm fortunate," Romo admits. "I'm lucky to have this as my job and to be able to spend time with my kids."

No matter the time – though mornings are usually fueled with the help of coffee – Romo makes it a priority to spend as much time as he can with his family despite how busy he is professionally. He emphasizes time management as an integral part of his everyday routine and advises that other dads also do the same.

"Make important what is important," Romo says. "Very few times am I missing the nighttime routine. Make sure you can be home. I set the schedule and base it around going home, playing, hanging out. I remember how important that was as a kid for me. [My sons] love that time."

Of course, some of that time together is spent playing video games, including Star Wars and (obviously) Madden "if they're lucky," he jokes.
At this point, Tony Romo relies much more on those early morning tackles and being a dad than any touchdowns or time away. After all, Romo says, "When I'm old, that's what I'll care about."
 

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Ware was an All-Decade player, a four time first team All-Pro, made 7 Pro Bowls as a Cowboy and is a sure fire Hall of Famer. Witten was an 11 time Pro Bowler, a two time first team All-Pro, and a sure fire Hall of Famer. Not even a debate whether they should be in. They were the best players at their position in franchise history, and it's not even close. Romo is, at best, the third best QB in franchise history. While that's not a crime on a team that had Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman, it doesn't cement his place in the ROH, especially when you don't see the post-season success of the QBs in the ROH.

You trolling Plankton?
 

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Ware was an All-Decade player, a four time first team All-Pro, made 7 Pro Bowls as a Cowboy and is a sure fire Hall of Famer. Witten was an 11 time Pro Bowler, a two time first team All-Pro, and a sure fire Hall of Famer. Not even a debate whether they should be in. They were the best players at their position in franchise history, and it's not even close. Romo is, at best, the third best QB in franchise history. While that's not a crime on a team that had Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman, it doesn't cement his place in the ROH, especially when you don't see the post-season success of the QBs in the ROH.
Agreed that it's not close as to the best TE in Cowboy history, but at DE Harvey Martin is easily in the debate. I know Ware was referred to as a 3-4 OLB, but the reality is he played almost every snap on the line with his hand in the dirt with the primary mission of rushing the passer - like a 4-3 DE.
 

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He won't get into the HOF, but I believe he would have elsewhere...
 

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Agreed that it's not close as to the best TE in Cowboy history, but at DE Harvey Martin is easily in the debate. I know Ware was referred to as a 3-4 OLB, but the reality is he played almost every snap on the line with his hand in the dirt with the primary mission of rushing the passer - like a 4-3 DE.

Ware was an OLB. He played DE for one year. Regardless of how you want to qualify it, Ware didn't play in a three point stance much at all when he was an edge.
 

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Trolling that Jason Witten and DeMarcus Ware were the best players at their respective positions in the history of the Dallas Cowboys? Is this a serious question?

How long you been posting on this board now Plankton, 15 years or more? Anyhow, long enough to know that any time you say something like "blank" player is the best in the history of the franchise and it aint even close", even if it's true, your gonna get an 20 page thread.

You know that.

For the record, Witten probably is the best, I agree. Ware, there is considerable room for argument there IMO. 138 sacks in a 12 year career. Harvey Martin, 114 sacks in a 9 year career. You can make a pretty strong argument there IMO.
 

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Ware was an OLB. He played DE for one year. Regardless of how you want to qualify it, Ware didn't play in a three point stance much at all when he was an edge.
And he did exactly the same thing from the same spot on the field as a 4-3 DE as he did as a 3-4 OLB.

But, if we are going to stick with calling him a 3-4 OLB then it's not really a big deal to say he was the best in franchise history. The team only played 3-4 8 years out of its 60 year history, and Ware was the only ROLB that ever played that position. Greg Ellis and Anthony Spencer are the only other 3-4 OLBs I remember starting on the opposite side in those 8 years.
 

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How long you been posting on this board now Plankton, 15 years or more? Anyhow, long enough to know that any time you say something like "blank" player is the best in the history of the franchise and it aint even close", even if it's true, your gonna get an 20 page thread.

You know that.

For the record, Witten probably is the best, I agree. Ware, there is considerable room for argument there IMO. 138 sacks in a 12 year career. Harvey Martin, 114 sacks in a 9 year career. You can make a pretty strong argument there IMO.

Here's where I would counter that on Martin. Martin played the first five years, and the most productive, of his career during a time when open handed blocking wasn't legal in the NFL. Once it was made legal in 1978, Martin's productivity dropped. Ware played his whole career with that style of blocking legal. Martin also played on a DL with a Hall of Famer in Randy White, and a very good DE in Ed Jones. The best players that Ware played in tandem with in Dallas were Greg Ellis and Jay Ratliff. Both were good players, but nowhere near the caliber of guys that Martin was surrounded with. Martin was also a DE, while Ware was an outside linebacker. Ware played DE for one season in Dallas (2013).
 

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Here's where I would counter that on Martin. Martin played the first five years, and the most productive, of his career during a time when open handed blocking wasn't legal in the NFL. Once it was made legal in 1978, Martin's productivity dropped. Ware played his whole career with that style of blocking legal. Martin also played on a DL with a Hall of Famer in Randy White, and a very good DE in Ed Jones. The best players that Ware played in tandem with in Dallas were Greg Ellis and Jay Ratliff. Both were good players, but nowhere near the caliber of guys that Martin was surrounded with. Martin was also a DE, while Ware was an outside linebacker. Ware played DE for one season in Dallas (2013).

Well, let me say this. I am 100% against comparing players of different eras but if that's what we are doing here, then you also have to say that Witten played in an era where Defenses literally are playing with one hand tied behind there backs and blindfolded. Ware played in an era where there were no chop blocks, he didn't have to play against nearly as powerful run games, he could focus on the pass rush much more. I mean, the door swings both ways a lot of times. I don't have access to Martin's detailed stats, as the NFL didn't really keep them in those days so I don't know if 1978 was a real decline, per say, in terms of overall stats for Martin but I will say this. After the 1977 season, which could be the greatest season in the history of the NFL for a DE, Martin got real heavy into drugs and it was kind of one big party after that, which is why his career ended so early IMO. Either way, you can't argue the numbers. This is what I'm saying, you can make real arguments either way. Pages and pages of em.
 

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Jerry pissed away this guys career. He could've been a HOFer but I don't think he gets in.
 

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That’s basically what I am saying. If Romo has a shot at all it will be because he has little to no competition at QB on his first try or two. I just don’t see it mattering.
He won't even be looked at his first, second, third and any other number
 

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it is absurd to equate like or dislike for dak for support or condemnation of romo's career. he is not a hof qb. good qb, yes. great qb, no. interestingly, both he and witten attended many mavs and stars games with hc garrett. seems they were all jokers.
 
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