Twitter: Jamal Adams asks to be traded

Direwolf63 said:

If that's the kind of money he's really looking for, it's an absolute non-starter.

I doubt anybody would pay it, but if somebody does it better not be the Cowboys.

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I agree. I don't think he will get 20 mill a year but I do think he intends to get well more than the 15 mill a year.

fivetwos said:

Yes because rolling with 6th rounders back there has worked well for us, just as long as we dont PAY him, and push money not used to next year, OR heaven forbid trade a 1st rounder and make the draft not so entertaining next year.

At some point it has to be about making a move that puts you over that top, not carrying over cap dollars or keeping picks to have fun with the draft, when they are far from guarantees.

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I have no doubt he is good and Jets won how many SB or even post season appearances with him? I would love to get him but his asking price will be more than what most would be willing to pay, if he is indeed looking at something close to 20 mill a year. I agree we need to upgrade safety but I also think that can be done without setting the safety market.

I want everyone AGAINST this to tell me exactly how much you've seen this guy play.

How many of you were ok dealing a 1st for the 24 year old Cooper?

How many of you complain about the bad safety play in game threads?

How many of you think this defense is fine with no vocal leader?

Selling sunglasses and calling themselves Hotboyz or whatever is what we have. Corny and weak.

Adams would come in here and set the tone, and lead the whole deal, but no, cant pay him. Carry money to next year and draft the next Taco with that pick.

Nothing wrong with admitting you havent seen the guy play other than last October, you think we would lose someone we want to keep by paying him, and that you want the entertainment of the draft when it comes so you overrate picks.

we didn't bite on earl thomas and we won't bite on adams.

All I know is Adams cares about winning on Sunday.

We have managed to collect several that dont.

But we have to worry about paying THEM.

Doomsday101 said:

I have no doubt he is good and Jets won how many SB or even post season appearances with him? I would love to get him but his asking price will be more than what most would be willing to pay, if he is indeed looking at something close to 20 mill a year. I agree we need to upgrade safety but I also think that can be done without setting the safety market.

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The Jets are terrible.

Is Adams no good because he cant win a Super Bowl on his own?

You know how difficult it is to make All Pro on a BAD team?

Zach Martin isnt a good guard because Dallas didnt even make the playoffs. That's what you're telling me about Adams.

They overachieved as a defense last year and he is their best player by far, and a big reason was him.

The highest paid safety makes under 15M. He isnt looking for 20.

fivetwos said:

He is an All Pro. They tend to make more than "starters," about double, so that's a wash.

If you call him a "box safety," you haven't seen him play much.

And if you think a first round pick is a guaranteed starter, I'd like to introduce you to Taco Charlton, among many others.

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you can just as easily flip the narrative and move it to the other extreme. If the choice was Jamal Adams or both DT positions upgraded, a pick that resulted in CD lamb and 5 million extra in the bank ? Yeah I tell Adams to get lost

I don't care about taco. The whole point of getting better coaches and new leadership was to spend picks and free agency better. Giving away 17 million a year plus top 50 picks is not how you build a well-rounded team

Don't get me wrong I love Adam's skills and how he mentally shows up every single week. The numbers that are being thrown out though are very worrisome for a team that's supposed to be getting smarter and cleaner

fivetwos said:

IMO a first and Brown is a better offer than a 1st and a 3rd.

We know Brown is a useful nickel corner.

A 3rd round pick may be something special, but the bust rate is higher than people think.

People tend to think every draft pick is a guaranteed hit. It's very far from that.

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The one thing to remember is that Brown was in the last year of his deal. However the deal he signed this offseason is pretty reasonable

Big_D said:

My God why can't this go away! Cowboys would be morons to even entertain this. He's not worth the trade value or the contract he'll be looking for. Can't keep trading away first round picks and thinking that's how you build a team.

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Trading a first round pick for Adams isn't a problem - he's 24, and in all likelihood would be a far superior player to anyone who would be available where the Cowboys would be selecting (in the back third of the round).

The problem would be the contract in a time where they already have a number of big ticket contracts, with the biggest yet to come when Prescott signs, and the cap will at best be flat next year, and likely for the two or so years afterward because of the revenue hit this season. Stuffing another top of the market contract into this mix is problematic, and will prevent the team from having meaningful depth.

fivetwos said:

The Jets are terrible.

Is Adams no good because he cant win a Super Bowl on his own?

You know how difficult it is to make All Pro on a BAD team?

Zach Martin isnt a good guard because Dallas didnt even make the playoffs. That's what you're telling me about Adams.

They overachieved as a defense last year and he is their best player by far, and a big reason was him.

The highest paid safety makes under 15M. He isnt looking for 20.

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Yes he is looking at around 20 mill, that was being reported yesterday and today. He is not looking just at top safety money. I like him but not at a price tag around that area.

Adreme said:

I disagree with that number but if there is no football next year then I would assume players do not gain a year (actually really vague on what would happen) so you might still have him for 4 years.

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The players will get credit for the year, I guarantee you. They have limited longevity as it is, so it wouldn't be fair otherwise. They will, however, be sacrificing a great deal of pay.

Some players will want that. Others won't. They'll be fighting with each other over this point.

Direwolf63 said:

Obviously you didn't learn from the Amari Cooper trade.

When you trade premium picks for someone nearing the end of his contract, you need to extend him likely before the trade. Like the Bears did with Khalil Mack.

Otherwise, you give ALL the cards to the player. The team has given up valuable draft capital and would have nothing to show for it if he walks. Cooper knew this and took full advantage of it. As a result, the Cowboys were forced to overpay.

Now you want to repeat that mistake for Adams. No thanks. I think he's terrific and would love him on the team. But you would have to agree on an extension BEFORE you give up the draft picks to obtain him.

That's the right way to do it.

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Didn't Mack have all the cards on the table from the get go?

He trumped every other edge rusher for AAV and got a record 90mil in guarantees, including 60mil signing bonus.
Even to this day, no edge rusher, 3-4/4-3 DE has come close to his deal.

What advantage did the Bears gain signing him ASAP?

His deal put him 4.5mil more per year than Von Miller(previous highest paid edge at the time) and 18 mil more SB.

They gave him a million more than Aaron Donald in terms of AAV, but Donald only got 40mil signing bonus.

Don't get me wrong, Mack was the best two way edge player and was paid deservedly so, but, it's not like the Bears got a discount by signing him ASAP. They had to sign him asap as he was threatening the Raiders to holdout and not play on his tender.

Cooper has the same agent as Mack. Mack wanted a deal ASAP, Cooper didn't.

https://www.nfl.com/news/new-deal-not-a-big-deal-for-cowboys-amari-cooper-0ap3000001037577

I'm not saying don't re-sign Adams right away even if his side is willing to actually negotiate. Just saying it's not necessary to re-sign asap, especially if the player isn't forcing the issue. Even though personally I would like to see a new deal asap to lower future cap hits by prorating SB in the ELC contract.

cern said:

we didn't bite on earl thomas and we won't bite on adams.

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Not if reports are true about asking price. I will say I think there is a big difference between a guy who is 30 coming off some bad injuries like Earl Thomas and that of a 24 year old.

rocyaice said:

Jesus.....that's far too much. What do you see in Adams to trade all of that?

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There is no player in the draft better than him most likely.

He's arguably the best defensive player in football.

cern said:

we didn't bite on earl thomas and we won't bite on adams.

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I don't think the F.O. will consider overpaying for him now. They will see how their current group of safeties do in TC/PS and the start of the regular season.
But, if the weak link is safety on defense, and it's costing the team wins, we do have new voices in the coaching dept that could sway them. Who knows if Rod M was telling them not to do it or Richard believing Woods was good enough etc... to pass on Thomas.

fivetwos said:

I want everyone AGAINST this to tell me exactly how much you've seen this guy play.

How many of you were ok dealing a 1st for the 24 year old Cooper?

How many of you complain about the bad safety play in game threads?

How many of you think this defense is fine with no vocal leader?

Selling sunglasses and calling themselves Hotboyz or whatever is what we have. Corny and weak.

Adams would come in here and set the tone, and lead the whole deal, but no, cant pay him. Carry money to next year and draft the next Taco with that pick.

Nothing wrong with admitting you havent seen the guy play other than last October, you think we would lose someone we want to keep by paying him, and that you want the entertainment of the draft when it comes so you overrate picks.

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I've seen him. I hated the Cooper trade and bad safety play is completely on the previous coaching staff who didn't value the position at all. So now with a brand new coach you evaluate and build. Stop trading premium picks for overpaid players. You need those 5 year rookie deals if you ever want to sustain a winning environment. If this team didn't make moronic decisions on a regular basis they could entertain this. But unfortunately that ship sailed. Maybe we can trade for Mahomes, Aaron Donald, Julio Jones and Travis Kelce while we're at it.

Doesn't matter how good he is at this point. This team isn't in position.. and I don't view the draft as entertainment. Jets actually found Adams in the draft. lol Like every pick is Taco. Again that is completely on the previous moronic coaching staff just like Trystan Hill and many others. You had a team coached by jackasses. you're safeties sucked, your D line was pure garbage and you have to make a midseason trade for a WR then pay him top dollar after a year and a half. So I'm guessing you didn't like this years draft? We finally have a real coach and I have no doubt safety will be on the agenda. What was happening with Garrett and Marinelli was horrendous. I don't see that moving forward.

phildadon86 said:

Lol way to turn a thread about a safety into a Dak thread. You’re a tool.

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Yeah I couldn't resist but to be honest it's the dam truth. Even if this team had Rodgers or Brady they couldn't afford Adams. From here on out the Cowboys are gonna have to be careful with spending.

Plankton said:

Trading a first round pick for Adams isn't a problem - he's 24, and in all likelihood would be a far superior player to anyone who would be available where the Cowboys would be selecting (in the back third of the round).

The problem would be the contract in a time where they already have a number of big ticket contracts, with the biggest yet to come when Prescott signs, and the cap will at best be flat next year, and likely for the two or so years afterward because of the revenue hit this season. Stuffing another top of the market contract into this mix is problematic, and will prevent the team from having meaningful depth.

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That is problematic.They finally got rid of Garrett and you have to let the new coach build a roster, not trade for one.

Big_D said:

That is problematic.They finally got rid of Garrett and you have to let the new coach build a roster, not trade for one.

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I don't understand where this opposition to trades came from...

Bill Belichick has 6 rings and trades for players.

Jimmy Johnson traded for players.

Bill Walsh traded for players.

Just ridiculous to think trades are not a part of building championship caliber teams.

fivetwos said:

I want everyone AGAINST this to tell me exactly how much you've seen this guy play.

How many of you were ok dealing a 1st for the 24 year old Cooper?

How many of you complain about the bad safety play in game threads?

How many of you think this defense is fine with no vocal leader?

Selling sunglasses and calling themselves Hotboyz or whatever is what we have. Corny and weak.

Adams would come in here and set the tone, and lead the whole deal, but no, cant pay him. Carry money to next year and draft the next Taco with that pick.

Nothing wrong with admitting you havent seen the guy play other than last October, you think we would lose someone we want to keep by paying him, and that you want the entertainment of the draft when it comes so you overrate picks.

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A SS who doesn't get picks. I've seen that watching him play.