The long-term future of the RE position

CalPolyTechnique

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His one sack was against the right tackle. The one pressure was his PD. He was on a stacked team and still didnt ball out

His pressure was on Thomas.

I also don’t where you’re getting your numbers from in terms of pressure? A pressure or hurry is anytime you get a QB to leave the pocket or abandon his platform in the pocket. He had at least two other pressures on Thomas.
 
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-Outside of Lawrence, the whole DL is a question mark for the long-term future. They are hoping either Gallimore or Hill hits at DT. McCoy and Poe are just short-term fixes at this juncture.

-Aldon, Gregory, Crawford are all playing on 1 yr deals at this time. I don't believe any of the 3 are long-term answers. If 1 breaks out, he probably will be playing elsewhere next season due to the price.

-I agree we couldn't pass up Lamb as he was 6th on their board. However, Chaisson had the potential to become a long-term starter at the position. He was a raw prospect that needed development. Very rarely can you find an impact pass rusher past the top 10 in the draft.

-The front office has to keep pushing to land a legitimate, long-term starter at the position.
Because of suspensions, Randy has only qualified for two years. They should still have his rights for the next two. Jerry has been good to Randy, I doubt he will ever leave.
 

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I was hoping we didn't draft K'Lavon because he seemed to be more of a 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 DE. Putting him at DE would be a waste, IMO.

But I wanted us to sign Preston Smith instead of re-signing DLaw at LDE. And I wanted us to draft Maxx Crosby last year to start at RDE. Having those two guys for the next four years would have been great.

I can't think of few teams that have two highly paid defensive ends. And even fewer SUCCESSFUL teams that do.
 

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It’s a very hard position to draft. The Dline as a whole is pretty tough to draft. Its kinda odd because the guys in front of them tend to live up to the draft spot at a much higher rate

It’s considered “not a sexy pick” to draft a RT but not the guy in front of him
The long term solution at RE is not on this roster most likely

The RE faces the LT, which is ‘a sexy pick’. Usually because most REs are elite pash rusher and coming to QBs blind side. There are not many Tyron Smiths Out there.

Having said that , Cowboys FO thought they got a steal in Gregory for that position but his habits are hard to overcome, like another guy Irving who was talented but was not disciplined.
 

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His pressure was on Thomas.

I also don’t where you’re getting your numbers from in terms of pressure? A pressure or hurry is anytime you get a QB to leave the pocket or abandon his platform in the pocket. He had at least two other pressures on Thomas.
Nah thomas ran him past the qbs face once and ran him around the other time. Not pressures. Its ok, glad we didnt draft him now i can watch him struggle on another team
 

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Chaisson would of been the pick if Lamb didn't fall in their laps. This tells us that the Front Office wants to fill this area with a legitimate prospect at the position, that they know they don't have such a player on their current roster. Aldon/Gregory even Crawford are more bridge type players at this time. They have to start developing, young, affordable talent at the position or have to pay on the open market. The likes of Gregory/Aldon playing on such low level deals will change if they show any sort of production.
You don't know who the Cowboys would have drafted if Lamb didn't fall to the Cowboys. You are full of assumptions. And full of something else if you know what I mean. :rolleyes:
 

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You don't know who the Cowboys would have drafted if Lamb didn't fall to the Cowboys. You are full of assumptions. And full of something else if you know what I mean. :rolleyes:

It is a fact, Jerry Jones stated it after the draft.
 

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Because of suspensions, Randy has only qualified for two years. They should still have his rights for the next two. Jerry has been good to Randy, I doubt he will ever leave.

I believe he is a restricted fa next season. There is still a lot of unknown about his situation, we have to allow it to play out this year, it starts with getting first reinstated.
 

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I was very high on chaisson myself
He has potential to be very good
I like gallimore and I think he will be good but not likely a McCoy type good
I like the DE we took but he’s not likely to be elite
There are few elite pass rushers and as you said they go early

-I also did like Chaisson, he is more of an ascending player who will only get better with more experience. Would of been a good fit for that hybrid role.
-Gallimore is an older prospect, he is more of a 1 then a 3T DT?
-We got to wait to see the Utah kid in action against NFL Caliber talent. Many pass rushers after rd 1, have been hot or miss
-Pass rushers are always over drafted. You sometimes have to take a chance on a raw player with rush traits later in the rd.
 

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Nice post. I share in both your historical and present opinion regarding this position.

I am rather shocked at the contrast in drafting/acquiring of all of the OL positions and how well the team has done. Almost a night and day difference in my eyes.

Plasticman had a great post about the lack of corners who actually intercept the ball dating way back and of course, the ever present "Franchise or Game Manager" conundrum at QB.

For all the SPARQ science, research and resources that goes into drafting, it's still a crap shoot roll of the dice.

Again, nice post.

-I think we have to also look at the Marinelli factor. He rubber stamped many of those picks and failed to develop the majority of them.
 

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Right. Gregory or Smith break out and they choose to go elsewhere?

Very unlikely as both wouldn't want to a different environment.

Also, Gregory's rights are ours for at least another year after next season since he was suspended in 19. Possibly even 2 since he was also suspended in 17

Your are right about the Cowboys still controlling Gregory's rights, but Aldon if he has a great comeback year, he is going to want to cash in, especially missing paydays for such a longtime. Would you resign him if his agent wants a Robert Quinn type of contract?
 

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I think a part of this year at RDE is finding out if Gregory can be the future there. Heck if Aldon can have a 8-10 sack season and play the run well then he can play 2 or 3 more years.

We are going to be hard pressed to find a pass rusher drafting in the late 20's for the next couple years.

-You are right very difficult to find a pass rusher later in the 1st rd, either an injury, character or raw prospect at the position.
-Gregory will get his chance if and when he gets reinstated. Nobody knows how he will perform, he just has 7 career sacks in almost 2 years of action.
-If Aldon breaks out, he is going to want to cash in as he hasn't gotten paid in several years.
 

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Don't forget Anae.

Best case scenario, Anae flashes this year and the Cowboys let him develop into the RDE, DPR/SLB of the future.

I think he fits the DPR role to a tee. We need to see him perform well against NFL Caliber talent as he needs to overcome some physical attributes.
 

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The right defensive end position seems to be a revolving door on a yearly basis; Greg Hardy, Randy Gregory, Taco Charlton, Robert Quinn, Aldon Smith. The front office has tried to address the position via the draft with zero success. Taco we are all are aware of, but the likes of Charles Tapper, Ben Gardner, Ryan Russell, Dorance Armstrong. Rod Marinelli was considered prior to coming to the Cowboys as one of the best in developing young DL Talent. Outside of Lawrence and maybe Crawford, very little success at the position.

This year many like the idea of drafting Chaisson from LSU as he would finally address the need long-term. However, he did come attached with legitimate question marks with production. Edge rushers are always in high demand, they are often overdrafted and come with a high bust rate. It's also a position in which there is a lot of development on this level, as they can no longer just rely on their athletic abilities against NFL caliber Tackles.

Many will argue this position is more important then any other on the entire unit. The best defensive teams are the ones who can generate a pass rush without the need to blitz. It puts way too much pressure on the back end and no team can be successful if a NFL QB has the time.

Marinelli Scheme
  • Crawford started by far the most games at RDE of any player in the Marinelli era.
  • The 2nd half of 2018 combination of Crawford as the base RDE and Gregory as the pass rushing RDE was good.


Mike Nolan Scheme
  • There will be different requirements with the new scheme.
  • The way Anae played in college was very similar to how Nolan has played edge rushers in the past (i.e. Hybrid DE/LB).
  • With Nolan's multiple front, bigger guys like Joe Jackson might play a role more similar to a 3-4 DE while Anae and Gregory (if reinstated) might be more of the 4-3 DE / 3-4 OLB type player.
  • In the past Aldon Smith would have been in the hybrid DE/LB role; however, now he might be in the 3-4/4-3 DE hybrid role.

I was not sold on Chaisson. He might be really good but it's a big risk.
 

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There was zero doubt in my mind Chaisson was the pick had Lamb not dropped. Jerruh has said as much.

You are 100% right.

They were so dead set on drafting Chaisson at 17, they still considered it even with Lamb on the board.

They made the right call. Both with the decision to take the clear BPA and their initial assessment of Chaisson.
 

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The RE faces the LT, which is ‘a sexy pick’. Usually because most REs are elite pash rusher and coming to QBs blind side. There are not many Tyron Smiths Out there.

Having said that , Cowboys FO thought they got a steal in Gregory for that position but his habits are hard to overcome, like another guy Irving who was talented but was not disciplined.
Irvin has so much talent
Such a waste
When he’s old and poor he’s gonna then realize what could have been
 
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