Ezekiel Elliott contract isn't bad at all

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Flamma said:
His cap hit is the same as his 5th year option because it is his 5th year option. His actual 6 year extension doesn't start until 2021. Remember, his rookie contract does not get replaced by a new contract. But I've been trying to point out that Zeke's contract is not that bad. It's as team friendly as we're going to get for the amount of money paid.
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Can’t they spread the 8 million dollar signing bonus out through the remaining contract. I thought there was some reason they extend them instead of giving a new contract. I think they get to spread something out over the remaining years as far as the cap is concerned.
 
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Ah, my bad, doesn’t show it. Easier to understand in the actual article, about half way down.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ezekiel-elliott-is-not-worth-the-money-he-wants/
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I am hoping with a new HC some of these problems gets addressed. Especially the way these players act. MM will actually hold them accountable and not just say the words. If Elliot or a player needs to ride the pine for a few series or catch a fine for missing or showing up for a meeting late then maybe it will change the culture. The country club culture needs to change, we will see if JJ let’s it happen. lol.
 
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glimmerman said:
Can’t they spread the 8 million dollar signing bonus out through the remaining contract. I thought there was some reason they extend them instead of giving a new contract. I think they get to spread something out over the remaining years as far as the cap is concerned.
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Him signing after his 3rd year is the best time to do an extension. People mistakenly think that his new contract starts at signing when he had two cheap years left. That's not a reality. He still has to play out his two remaining years before his extension begins. That's what an extension means.

To answer your question, yes, they can use his last two years of his rookie deal to allocate bonus money. The way they Zeke contract extension was structured overall was brilliant. Yet we still see people saying Jerry needs to hire a GM. Jerry already knows how to structure contract extensions with the best of them. He is a GM in that regard. How he approaches trades and free agency is a matter of opinion. He has not always had a good track record there. But in recent history I think he's been super conservative in that area. I actually like the due at GM.
 
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glimmerman said:
I am hoping with a new HC some of these problems gets addressed. Especially the way these players act. MM will actually hold them accountable and not just say the words. If Elliot or a player needs to ride the pine for a few series or catch a fine for missing or showing up for a meeting late then maybe it will change the culture. The country club culture needs to change, we will see if JJ let’s it happen. lol.
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Agreed but I think Jerry is mostly responsible, hopefully MM doesn’t put up with Jerry’s crap is more like it. Jerry has consistently ignored, and has actually embraced, players with character issues.

Imagine if you were JG and Jerry dumps off that head case Greg Hardy on you? Its not like KG could bench Jerry’s new favorite propaganda hype toy. Hardy was a locker room disruption and even knocked a clipboard out of a coaches hands but JG’s hands were tied. Jerry runs a half way house, not a football team.

About the only team willing to take as many risks on players with character issues as the Cowboys is New England and thats because Kraft minds his own business and lets the coach be a coach. Bill B doesn’t tolerate the crap that Jerry forces his coaches to tolerate.

Jerry has created the country club culture, not the coaches IMO. We have a team full of entitled divas because they know Jerry is a push over.
 
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Probably. And if Cleveland is smart, they will let him walk. Draft another RB in about a year to take over in the 3rd round.
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Well that is ONE way to "devalue the RB position'!

Can you really just keep drafting a solid NFL RB every 2-3 years? Well...I guess you could always keep picking a Buckeye RB. :facepalm::)
 
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Agreed but I think Jerry is mostly responsible, hopefully MM doesn’t put up with Jerry’s crap is more like it. Jerry has consistently ignored, and has actually embraced, players with character issues.

Imagine if you were JG and Jerry dumps off that head case Greg Hardy on you? Its not like KG could bench Jerry’s new favorite propaganda hype toy. Hardy was a locker room disruption and even knocked a clipboard out of a coaches hands but JG’s hands were tied. Jerry runs a half way house, not a football team.

About the only team willing to take as many risks on players with character issues as the Cowboys is New England and thats because Kraft minds his own business and lets the coach be a coach. Bill B doesn’t tolerate the crap that Jerry forces his coaches to tolerate.

Jerry has created the country club culture, not the coaches IMO. We have a team full of entitled divas because they know Jerry is a push over.
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aria said:
Agreed but I think Jerry is mostly responsible, hopefully MM doesn’t put up with Jerry’s crap is more like it. Jerry has consistently ignored, and has actually embraced, players with character issues.

Imagine if you were JG and Jerry dumps off that head case Greg Hardy on you? Its not like KG could bench Jerry’s new favorite propaganda hype toy. Hardy was a locker room disruption and even knocked a clipboard out of a coaches hands but JG’s hands were tied. Jerry runs a half way house, not a football team.

About the only team willing to take as many risks on players with character issues as the Cowboys is New England and thats because Kraft minds his own business and lets the coach be a coach. Bill B doesn’t tolerate the crap that Jerry forces his coaches to tolerate.

Jerry has created the country club culture, not the coaches IMO. We have a team full of entitled divas because they know Jerry is a push over.
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I agree.. JJ has set all this up. I think he sees them as grown men but is giving kids (not trying to be disrespectful) millions of dollars and the nicest places to practice and play.

He expects them to act like grown ups and be responsible but at the same time if they have any problems he wants them to come to him. He is probly a very nice person.

He takes chances on players with problems if they are great at what they do and he can get them cheap. Then turns them over to the staff to put up with. When hardy slapped that clipboard out of the coaches hands it should have been his last day with the team. JG should have told JJ he is gone or I am. But JG is just as responsible because he was riding the gravy train with biscuit wheels just like the rest of them. Head coach for The Dallas Cowboys.

MM I hope will be different. I would not be totally surprised if MM is one year and gone. If the season starts and JJ treats him like he did JG then MM will either bow down or leave. Will see as soon as a punishment needs to happen and they try to bypass MM and go straight to JJ . They must have a understanding before he took the job.
 
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I agree.. JJ has set all this up. I think he sees them as grown men but is giving kids (not trying to be disrespectful) millions of dollars and the nicest places to practice and play.

He expects them to act like grown ups and be responsible but at the same time if they have any problems he wants them to come to him. He is probly a very nice person.

He takes chances on players with problems if they are great at what they do and he can get them cheap. Then turns them over to the staff to put up with. When hardy slapped that clipboard out of the coaches hands it should have been his last day with the team. JG should have told JJ he is gone or I am. But JG is just as responsible because he was riding the gravy train with biscuit wheels just like the rest of them. Head coach for The Dallas Cowboys.

MM I hope will be different. I would not be totally surprised if MM is one year and gone. If the season starts and JJ treats him like he did JG then MM will either bow down or leave. Will see as soon as a punishment needs to happen and they try to bypass MM and go straight to JJ . They must have a understanding before he took the job.
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Very well stated, as much as I despise Jerry as an owner, GM, husband and don’t agree with some of his personal lifestyle choices, I do think he’s probably a cool cat to hang out with and is a good person to everyone but his wife.

Unfortunately, while many people act like Jerry is giving a lot of these players a second, third and fourth chance I also believe a lot of that is because he is a gambler by nature and is also trying to prove to others that he is smarter than they are.
 
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We'll have the option to keep either. Most likely we let Gallup go and take the comp pick, instead of cutting Cooper and getting nothing for it. If we're thinking of keeping Gallup, we'll work the deal *before* his final year.
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actually i think we keep gallup as cooper may be used up by then.
i think that was the thinking behind drafting lamb.
have #1 wr in case cooper's wheels fall off.
cooper contract can be dumped at the same time as gallup comes up for fa
good planning and did not bent over like they did for zeke
 
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Well that is ONE way to "devalue the RB position'!

Can you really just keep drafting a solid NFL RB every 2-3 years? Well...I guess you could always keep picking a Buckeye RB. :facepalm::)
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Lol they have support groups for guys like you buddy.
 
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What are decent numbers? Yall Zeke haters are funny.
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I do hate him. I root for him while he wears this uniform.

Unfair or not, he got himself suspended when the team was counting on him. He demanded to be paid early and caused another disruption....then showed up out of shape and tapped out way too often, including the play of the season.

That explains my thoughts on him.

As far as the team, short of winning the league MVP in each of the next two seasons, he is gone after 2021.

There is no way to justify keeping a guy at that position at that salary at that point in his career.

You can love him all you like with the 1200 yards and the 8 tds for your fantasy team, but that money is going to Gallup and/or LVE come 2021. Pollard and a 3rd/4th round pick can replace Elliot quite fine, at a fraction of the cost.

He isnt what he used to be as far as being a dynamic back. Give me all the numbers you want, but he should never have been extended. Jerry just always figures the year we are in is the year we will win it all, so he caved.
 
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I dont care WHAT his numbers look like.

Watch the games. His arrow is headed downward, and at the RB position, the decline is almost unbelievable.

Dudes like Shawn Alexander and Larry Johnson, just off the top of my head, were at the top of every fantasy draft, then two years later an afterthought at best.

So, point out all Elliots numbers recently you like, I KNOW where he is headed, and will NOT be on this team for 15M per come 2022 no matter what.

Deal with it.

He was the right pick at the time but the better part of his career was wasted by Jerry with his hand picked puppet experiment. Is what it is.
 
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I dont care WHAT his numbers look like.

Watch the games. His arrow is headed downward, and at the RB position, the decline is almost unbelievable.

Dudes like Shawn Alexander and Larry Johnson, just off the top of my head, were at the top of every fantasy draft, then two years later an afterthought at best.

So, point out all Elliots numbers recently you like, I KNOW where he is headed, and will NOT be on this team for 15M per come 2022 no matter what.

Deal with it.

He was the right pick at the time but the better part of his career was wasted by Jerry with his hand picked puppet experiment. Is what it is.
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I think we'll "deal with it" just fine. There are SOME people who'll have to "deal with it" him being here until then.
 
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waldoputty said:
actually i think we keep gallup as cooper may be used up by then.
i think that was the thinking behind drafting lamb.
have #1 wr in case cooper's wheels fall off.
cooper contract can be dumped at the same time as gallup comes up for fa
good planning and did not bent over like they did for zeke
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I thought they said it was "best player available" kind of thing...not any strategy for Cooper.
 
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Very well stated, as much as I despise Jerry as an owner, GM, husband and don’t agree with some of his personal lifestyle choices, I do think he’s probably a cool cat to hang out with and is a good person to everyone but his wife.

Unfortunately, while many people act like Jerry is giving a lot of these players a second, third and fourth chance I also believe a lot of that is because he is a gambler by nature and is also trying to prove to others that he is smarter than they are.
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Bingo. Exactly right, he is a gambler and it shows when he uses draft picks and FA pickups with a huge upside and gets these players with little money. Then turns around and spends the savings by over paying other talent. Lol.

His ego has cost us fans a lot of heartbreak and likely multiple Super Bowls. Hiring these jokes as HC he has proven himself one time since Johnson left. He got lucky once with Switzer proving he can do it his way. Then this failed 10 year experiment with JG as his puppet.

Which is why I am intrigued with the hiring of MM. I just don’t see him as being a puppet. I have noticed our drafting has gotten better and now this hiring. Maybe he is realizing he can use some help and it’s ok. Now I am sure he is going to do some things his way and won’t change but maybe he is going a different direction. I am hoping so at least. Let MM drop the hammer on some of these guys and get some respect.

But I also think your right about him being a blast to hang out with. I bet he can put away some liquor and have fun.
 
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I thought they said it was "best player available" kind of thing...not any strategy for Cooper.
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he was a best player available but anyone who looks at cooper's injuries would worry about what he is 2 years from now.
i think that was discussed at the draft as lamb was a salary cap escape hatch when gallup becomes fa.
 
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No doubt Zeke hasn't hit the heights of his 2016 rookie year again, but in 17/18/19 he's looked like the exact same dude all three years. I haven't seen a decline at all there; he's been one of the most consistent players in football.

I will say that I want to see Zeke get less usage in the future. One because I think our passing game is ready to rock, and another because I felt like Garrett wasted far too many plays #EstablishingIt with predictable runs into the teeth of waiting defenses. Run-heavy offenses can still work today: Rams, 49ers, Vikings, etc. But look at who's coordinating those run games: McVay, Shanahan, and Kubiak, all a lot better at scheming them than Garrett. They don't just line up 3 TEs on 1st down and force it over left guard trying to "impose their will".

Zeke was a vital part of Garrett's offense because he could consistently churn out positive yardage on 20 predictable carries every week, but I would love to see Kellen Moore and Mike McCarthy take the offense in a different direction. If that means that Zeke gets a 200/900 stat line instead of a 300/1400 line, so be it.
 
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