Twitter: Jamal Adams asks to be traded

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Draft one that has at least a 50% chance to bust vs trading for one that you KNOW is All Pro so you don't have to pay him when you dont have cap issues?

Sure. Let's just never go for it and keep loving those draft picks and complaining about how we cant get over the top.

Everyone thinks every draft pick is a guarantee.

Giving up an extra 3rd to ensure your 1st round safety doesnt bust is a small price to pay.

But I forgot. Dallas doesnt bust picks anymore. Every one of them is a stud now.


No.. they're not all studs. But you're still trading premium draft picks and 9 years of rookie salary football for 3 or 4 years at an over the top price. In the age of 4 year contracts it makes zero sense when you need much more than a safety if you ever want to start competing for championships. Garrett's process was pure garbage but building a team is definitely a process and I'm betting we actually see a real one unfold. You don't bring in a brand new coach and hand him a short term plan. It's flat out stupid. You can choose not to see the bigger picture but overspending doesn't help him at all. Then we're right back to more bottom feeders every where else. We can wait until July for those leftover FAs every year!
 

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No.. they're not all studs. But you're still trading premium draft picks and 9 years of rookie salary football for 3 or 4 years at an over the top price. In the age of 4 year contracts it makes zero sense when you need much more than a safety if you ever want to start competing for championships. Garrett's process was pure garbage but building a team is definitely a process and I'm betting we actually see a real one unfold. You don't bring in a brand new coach and hand him a short term plan. It's flat out stupid. You can choose not to see the bigger picture but overspending doesn't help him at all. Then we're right back to more bottom feeders every where else. We can wait until July for those leftover FAs every year!
Nine years of rookie salary football?

What if they are nine years of Taco Charlton and Trystan Hill?

How about nine years of extremely average at best Awuzie and Lewis?

Never win that way alone, but ok.
 

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Nine years of rookie salary football?

What if they are nine years of Taco Charlton and Trystan Hill?

How about nine years of extremely average at best Awuzie and Lewis?

Never win that way alone, but ok.


No, just like you said coming away with starters in the draft is minimal. You have a 53 man roster and FA is also important. You might come away with 2 or 3 players in you're average offseason but you need 8. lol Now you're hitting the bargain bin cause you just decided to go with the one. It's been the story forever. You want to win championships you got to be smart in every area. We have an All Pro guard and we're still going 8-8?? Guy will be in the hall someday. The rest of the team just isn't very good. A few "stars" doesn't change that and just 1 player doesn't help it. It takes 53, not 6 or 7. Specially after watching this team operate under the same dumazz "win now" garbage philosophy that never once worked. lol


You want to win long term you don't trade multiple premium picks for 1 player. Garrett does that in year 9, a new coach doesn't do it in year 1.. 2 years after doing the same for a WR. That's solid management to you? I'm all for the occasional gamble but this team just hasn't made smart decisions and it's a ridiculous move under the circumstances. A team in much better position might make it but no ones biting cause the price is too steep. It's the same story over and over.
 

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You guys have got to stop wanting everyone who beats on Dallas. Beating Dallas in 2020 means nothing to me.
Ask Tom Brady. Adams plays dominant football against New England every time, but he's playing with 10 guys named Broderick who can't play.
 

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Also keep in mind that there might be some animosity with the Jets over leaking the trade negotiations last year. They might not be so willing to deal with us
 

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Also keep in mind that there might be some animosity with the Jets over leaking the trade negotiations last year. They might not be so willing to deal with us

Here in NY, the Jets don't have any intention of trading Adams what so ever. They want him to play on his current contract and will only deal him if another team gives them a deal too good to pass up. The new CBA makes it far more difficult for players under contract to holdout.
 

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Yeah the occasional trade. Not trading a first for a WR in 2019 then a safety in 2021. And low level trades not a first rounder ever other year. If you don't see those 5 year rookie deals as important I don't now what to tell you. Bellichick is on anther planet and he's usually trading players away not bringing them in. And Jimmy Johnson didn't have a salary cap. And he still wasn't trading away first round picks. in 5 years he had 7 first rounders and 7 2nd rounders and he kept them. He stockpiled picks and built a dynasty.
Cooper wasnt even a top 10 player at his position, and the pick they traded when they were 3-5 was potentially going to be in the top 10 of the draft.

Adams is the best at his position in the league and the pick this year is much more likely to be toward the bottom of the round than the top.

Look at all the players selected in the bottom quarter of the first round in the last ten drafts. For everyone. You need to get very lucky to end up with a player you even want to keep for the fifth year.

I understand your point about cheap rookie deals, but they are far from guaranteed, especially where we will likely pick, and a team that's close to ready to win shouldnt shy away from adding and All Pro, at a position of need for over a decade, because they for some reason decided to trade a first for an ok WR two years ago.

They can afford his contract without losing key players down the line. The DBs next year are gone anyway by choice. That's clear. Theres plenty of relief coming with what's going to make sense after 2021.

I dont see where Adams wants 20M per, and if he does, nevermind....

Same way if you can get Aaron Donald right now for a 1st and a 3rd you do it, but no, you dont do that for an average DT.

Generally speaking, I do agree with you, and trading high picks for vets will eventually catch up to you, but I think they desperately need a vocal leader on defense, and we arent talking about a so/so player here. He is an All Pro.

Theres a handful of guys I'd be on this side of the fence over, and he is one of them.
 
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No.. they're not all studs. But you're still trading premium draft picks and 9 years of rookie salary football for 3 or 4 years at an over the top price. In the age of 4 year contracts it makes zero sense when you need much more than a safety if you ever want to start competing for championships. Garrett's process was pure garbage but building a team is definitely a process and I'm betting we actually see a real one unfold. You don't bring in a brand new coach and hand him a short term plan. It's flat out stupid. You can choose not to see the bigger picture but overspending doesn't help him at all. Then we're right back to more bottom feeders every where else. We can wait until July for those leftover FAs every year!

do we need more than the best Safety in the NFL to compete for a championship?

Is the #25 and #85 in the 2021 draft make this a championship team in 2021? 2022?

It’s two oicks and the odds are *highly* stacked against either one *ever* being as good as Adams

Ok, so let’s say one is a “good” starter and the other is a “good” backup with potential to start

is that bringing us closer to a championship than the best safety in the league?

We need DB help in the worst way. They are young and frankly, not very good and/or complete unknowns .

We need a vocal, butt-kicking leader to anchor the entire defensive backfield more than we need anything else on the team
 

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Here in NY, the Jets don't have any intention of trading Adams what so ever. They want him to play on his current contract and will only deal him if another team gives them a deal too good to pass up. The new CBA makes it far more difficult for players under contract to holdout.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that new CBA isn't in effect yet regarding holdouts, is it?
 

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do we need more than the best Safety in the NFL to compete for a championship?

Is the #25 and #85 in the 2021 draft make this a championship team in 2021? 2022?

It’s two oicks and the odds are *highly* stacked against either one *ever* being as good as Adams

Ok, so let’s say one is a “good” starter and the other is a “good” backup with potential to start

is that bringing us closer to a championship than the best safety in the league?

We need DB help in the worst way. They are young and frankly, not very good and/or complete unknowns .

We need a vocal, butt-kicking leader to anchor the entire defensive backfield more than we need anything else on the team

It wouldn't be just those two players though. It would be two players plus other players we could get with that cap space.

Same way if you can get Aaron Donald right now for a 1st and a 3rd you do it, but no, you dont do that for an average DT.

Would you trade a 1st and 3rd for the best punter in the league? If not, then you understand the concept of positional value.
 

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I'll tell u this.
I would shoot this offer at the Jets.
They are in a rock and a hard spot.
But its still not that bad yet..........
My offer would be.
Xavier Woods, Conner Williams and Micheal Gallup. Plus a 1st in 2021 and a 2nd in 2022.
For
Jamal Adams and Denzel Mimms.
Plus a 3rd in 2021 and a 3rd in 2022.

This would get us out from under the gun of Gallups future contract. Williams and Woods contracts. Get us another Rookie WR
Then we would have to restructure or cut loose Crawford and try and fit that Adams contract in
 

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why does any team draft players when they can just trade their picks away for proven talent?

every one knows jamal adams is elite but multiple day 1 + 2 picks plus another market setting contract?? for a safety? if he was a pass rusher or even a cb i could see...
 

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Supposedly there is also a list of teams Adams will agree to be traded to that he would not immediately demand an extension. My bet is that Dallas is on that list.

So Adams for a 1 year rental? What should Dallas give up for a one year rental? Because if the Cowboys want to keep him beyond 1 year it would be stupid to not sign him to an extension while there's one year left on his rookie deal.
 

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Adams is a liability in coverage...and he made it about HIM. Yet another white buffalo we are chasing lol.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but that new CBA isn't in effect yet regarding holdouts, is it?

I looked into this cause I wasn't sure, apparently this doesn't apply to Adams, as he is stilling playing on his rookie deal. The new rules states mandatory fines for a player holding out beyond their rookie contracts. I player like D. Hopkins couldn't holdout without absorbing huge penalties, but the likes of Adams would occur no such penalty. However, Adams cannot holdout for the season as he won't be able to accrue the season to get closer to fa.
 
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