It's not the defense, it's the inconsistent offense

DFWJC · Jun 21, 2020

Streetwise said:
Speaking of Cherry Picking
I wouldn't use the last 10 years, I would go by the QB, which is Prescott with 4. The offense was more consistent than the defense.

His data actually shows the opposite if you break it down by era.
Way easier to win now if the team scores 24 than before

KJJ · Jun 21, 2020

Save the data, if you need 24 points a game to win there’s a problem with your defense. Our offense has been consistently better than our defense for many years. The best teams we’ve had since the 90s was due to our offense. Our inconsistent defense always catches up to us in the playoffs and gets us beat.

reddyuta · Jun 21, 2020

sometimes you run to a good defense and you need your defense to step up,if the defense had not been so bad against the jets with no name WRs we would have made the playoffs.

big dog cowboy · Jun 21, 2020

Inconsistent defense which didn't generate turnovers and horrible special teams. Both consistently gave the offense the worst starting field position in the league last year. When you constantly put the offense in that situation and they are forced to drive the football the length of the field all game you aren't doing them any favors at all.

That's why the Cowboys can have the #1 offense and still be an 8-8 team.

Jake · Jun 21, 2020

12+88=7 said:
So the defense was not that good from 2010 to 2013, but since 2014 the defense has been excellent "WHEN" the offense performs. And during Prescott's time the defense has not been able to protect the 24 point mark TWICE.

I don't know how you came up with TWICE. They gave up more than 24 points FIVE times just last season.

Then there are "Dak's" two playoff losses:

Green Bay 34
Dallas 31

Los Angeles 30
Dallas 22

Average score: Cowboys 26.5, Opponents 32. But yeah, it wasn't the defense.

JW82 · Jun 21, 2020

12+88=7 said:
You are cherry picking. The overall numbers show the defense is good enough to win. Last year 8 an 0. The offense needs to be more consistent.

Good defenses don’t get pounded 5 times a year. The O carried them in the 8 wins.

PAPPYDOG · Jun 21, 2020

Jake said:
I don't know how you came up with TWICE. They gave up more than 24 points FIVE times just last season.

Then there are "Dak's" two playoff losses:

Green Bay 34
Dallas 31

Los Angeles 30
Dallas 22

Average score: Cowboys 26.5, Opponents 32. But yeah, it wasn't the defense.

Thru 3 Quarters of total play Cowboy offense had 13 points vs Packers and 15 points vs the Rams.
CANNOT WIN WHEN YOU DON'T SCORE!!!!!

gjkoeppen · Jun 21, 2020

12+88=7 said:
On Blogging the Boys there is an article showing data over the last ten years of when the offense scores 24 points and when they don't. It proves a point that I have been making. The problem with the team is not the defense, but the inconsistent offense.

It shows the numbers of last year's offense, 37 points in wins and 17 points in losses. Very up and down, the most in the NFL. The defensive numbers are 17 points in wins and 23 in losses, more consistent.

Then there is the 10 year break down. Dallas is 62 and 18 when scoring 24 points in the last ten years.

Breaking it down further, from 2010 to 2013 Dallas was just 18 and 14 when scoring 24 points. But since 2014 Dallas is 44 and 4. Since 2016 Dallas is 32 and 2.

So the defense was not that good from 2010 to 2013, but since 2014 the defense has been excellent "WHEN" the offense performs. And during Prescott's time the defense has not been able to protect the 24 point mark TWICE.

The defense is not the best in the NFL, but it sure was and is good enough to win games when the offense shows up.

If Dallas has offensive consistency in 2020 they will win, the numbers prove it.

You're not the first person to jive numbers to make them say what you want them to say. How about this number from last year. The defense ranked 30th in doing 3 and outs. Also during that time period you used the Cowboys also won games when they scored less than 17 points because in those games the defense played better. The cowboys also lost games, one in particular comes to mind where the offense score FORTY EIGHT points and lost to the broncos because the defense gave up FIFTY ONE points and fail to make the broncos punt a single time. That kind of blows a gigantic hole in your idea that the defense doesn't lose games. Oh did I happen to mention another stat from last season where the Cowboys offense only started in the oppositions side of the field after a punt 7 times all season which put them at the 3rd worst for that. Why, because the defense when they finally stopped a team and forced a punt they ended up starting more times within their own 20 yard line. The defense did such a wonderful job of shortening the field for them didn't they. Or how about the Cowboys defense ranked dead last in picks, but I guess you just overlooked that one too.
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SackMaster · Jun 21, 2020

Football is a TEAM game?

Is the offense really really good? Chances are that a big part of that is due to the Defense / ST are forcing shorter fields for the offense to drive to score points.

Is the defense really really good? Chance are that a big part of that is due to the Offense putting up points, not turning it over, and/or killing it in TOP.

Yes, consistency was arguably the biggest problem under Garrett. But it was not just on D or just on O. It was an issue that plagued BOTH.

PJTHEDOORS · Jun 21, 2020

The defense was bad on 3rd down. Last in the league for takeaways.

Redball Express · Jun 21, 2020

12+88=7 said:
On Blogging the Boys there is an article showing data over the last ten years of when the offense scores 24 points and when they don't. It proves a point that I have been making. The problem with the team is not the defense, but the inconsistent offense.

It shows the numbers of last year's offense, 37 points in wins and 17 points in losses. Very up and down, the most in the NFL. The defensive numbers are 17 points in wins and 23 in losses, more consistent.

Then there is the 10 year break down. Dallas is 62 and 18 when scoring 24 points in the last ten years.

Breaking it down further, from 2010 to 2013 Dallas was just 18 and 14 when scoring 24 points. But since 2014 Dallas is 44 and 4. Since 2016 Dallas is 32 and 2.

So the defense was not that good from 2010 to 2013, but since 2014 the defense has been excellent "WHEN" the offense performs. And during Prescott's time the defense has not been able to protect the 24 point mark TWICE.

The defense is not the best in the NFL, but it sure was and is good enough to win games when the offense shows up.

If Dallas has offensive consistency in 2020 they will win, the numbers prove it.

This would support the team philosophy.

Offense comes first.

We have had poor defenses ever since Parcells let Zimmer go.

And Zimmers success in Minny clearly shows what we lost.

Had we stuck with Zimmer as HC who knows where we might be now.

But Jerrah ever the salesman..needed a name coach to build his stadium with. Enter Parcells.

But let's not deviate.

Offense is just more entertaining. Defense is just boring.

The way the rules have changed protecting the QB..

it all about scoring pinball style.

So the stats talk but like everything, the team tends to adopt its HC personality.

Garrett's was so commingled with Jerrah's..

it just left everybody needing more.

I have no doubt that Big Mike will holdout for what he believes. But over time Jerrah will revert to his old ways and try to get credit for any success.

Thats where the the rubber meets the road.

We shall see.

FuzzyLumpkins · Jun 21, 2020

12+88=7 said:
You are cherry picking. The overall numbers show the defense is good enough to win. Last year 8 an 0. The offense needs to be more consistent.

He showed 5 bad performances out of a sample of 16. That is not anecdotal. The downside of the defense is not pretty.

Shinaoi · Jun 21, 2020

It can be both at the same time.

DFWJC · Jun 21, 2020

Shinaoi said:
It can be both at the same time.

This.
It's both....or even all 3

I'd say of the 3 units, I'd rank them (best to worst)

Offense
Defense
Special Teams

Corso · Jun 21, 2020

12+88=7 said:
On Blogging the Boys there is an article showing data over the last ten years of when the offense scores 24 points and when they don't. It proves a point that I have been making. The problem with the team is not the defense, but the inconsistent offense.

It shows the numbers of last year's offense, 37 points in wins and 17 points in losses. Very up and down, the most in the NFL. The defensive numbers are 17 points in wins and 23 in losses, more consistent.

Then there is the 10 year break down. Dallas is 62 and 18 when scoring 24 points in the last ten years.

Breaking it down further, from 2010 to 2013 Dallas was just 18 and 14 when scoring 24 points. But since 2014 Dallas is 44 and 4. Since 2016 Dallas is 32 and 2.

So the defense was not that good from 2010 to 2013, but since 2014 the defense has been excellent "WHEN" the offense performs. And during Prescott's time the defense has not been able to protect the 24 point mark TWICE.

The defense is not the best in the NFL, but it sure was and is good enough to win games when the offense shows up.

If Dallas has offensive consistency in 2020 they will win, the numbers prove it.

I'm so glad Special Teams, field position and Defensive TO's don't exist.
Those could have been reasons for certain offensive inconsistencies also.

Glad it's more simple. Whew!

Corso · Jun 21, 2020

Cowboyny said:
-You cannot just go by stats alone. The offense wasn't as good as the stats stated nor the defense was as good, either.

-There is a reason why our new HC MM stated that he will only be tweaking the offense, where they want to overhaul both the defense and special team units.

-Dak and the offense was forced to drive the entire field on a given basis as the special teams unit was one of the league worst and a defensive that simply couldn't generate a turnover to save their lives. They had 7 interceptions for the entire year! The Cowboys were #2 in the entire league of average yards per drive. This suggests, poor starting field position.

-The offense struggled at times to finish off long drives, usually self-inflicted penalties. Their PK missed makeable kicks on a consistent basis that netted out zero points, changed momentum and gave the opponent great starting field position. Opposing teams needed less yards to score points, hence helped the defensive stats out.

-We did see the Cowboy Defense struggle against average QB's all season long. Hell, Miami even gave them serious trouble in the first half. The Jet game comes to mind, the offense driven the football the entire field, Garrett refused to take the 3 and they were turnover on downs inside the Jets 5 yard line. Darnold then hits the defense for a over 90 yard TD, that's unacceptable especially when he missed the 6 games prior. That same game both our tackles were out, Cooper left in the 1Q and Cobb didn't dress due to injury. Did the defense help them out? There were several others like this game. Outside of the Saint game, the defense was piss poor for the majority of the season.

-Defense wins championships, it's the reason why the Cowboys haven't gotten past the divisional round of the playoffs.

Hot dang!

JoeKing · Jun 21, 2020

12+88=7 said:
On Blogging the Boys there is an article showing data over the last ten years of when the offense scores 24 points and when they don't. It proves a point that I have been making. The problem with the team is not the defense, but the inconsistent offense.

It shows the numbers of last year's offense, 37 points in wins and 17 points in losses. Very up and down, the most in the NFL. The defensive numbers are 17 points in wins and 23 in losses, more consistent.

Then there is the 10 year break down. Dallas is 62 and 18 when scoring 24 points in the last ten years.

Breaking it down further, from 2010 to 2013 Dallas was just 18 and 14 when scoring 24 points. But since 2014 Dallas is 44 and 4. Since 2016 Dallas is 32 and 2.

So the defense was not that good from 2010 to 2013, but since 2014 the defense has been excellent "WHEN" the offense performs. And during Prescott's time the defense has not been able to protect the 24 point mark TWICE.

The defense is not the best in the NFL, but it sure was and is good enough to win games when the offense shows up.

If Dallas has offensive consistency in 2020 they will win, the numbers prove it.

No, it's the defense.

Established1971 · Jun 21, 2020

12+88=7 said:
You are cherry picking. The overall numbers show the defense is good enough to win. Last year 8 an 0. The offense needs to be more consistent.

5 games of 16 is cherry picking? lol

what does "last year 8 and 0" mean?

ABQCOWBOY · Jun 21, 2020

Cowboys were tied for 9th in the NFL in Red Zone scoring opportunities. We were 16th in the NFL in Red Zone TD conversions. The year before, we were 26th in the entire NFL in RZ TD conversions. 2017 we were 7th in the NFL. The year prior to that, 2016, we were 5th in the NFL. It's true we had issues defensively, nobody can deny that but it's not true that it's the Defense that held this offense back. Even with a poor defensive showing, this team had plenty of RZ opportunities and we flat failed to execute on too many of them. Our Red Zone Offensive production has consistently fallen off these past three seasons.

Swagger · Jun 21, 2020

12+88=7 said:
The defense is weaker than the offense.

My point was the defense was more consistent week to week.

I believe that if last year's offense had been as consistent as the defense week to week, Dallas would have won 10 to 12 games.

The offense feasted on poor teams but struggled to score points against teams with good defenses as receivers weren't typically wide open uncovered in ten yards of space.

It's not the defense, it's the inconsistent offense

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