News: CB Trevon Diggs Looks Seasoned In Private Workouts

GMO415 · Jun 22, 2020

Enough with the HOF backyard workouts......sheesh.

CowboyRoy · Jun 22, 2020

Cowboyny said:
-Bryon Jones was a good shadow CB, who was a poor tackler even for the CB position and had zero ball instincts. He was a poor man's Terrence Newman. Good player, but far from elite, certainly not worth his current price tag.

-Great Corners have the ability to do it all, cover, tackle and take away the football. Just look at the stats of some of the greats, bunch of intercepts in a year to year basis. Keep in mind, we are in a passing league now, those numbers should even be higher.

Stash · Jun 22, 2020

JohnsKey19 said:
Not even close. Completely different players coming out of college. We'll see how he develops under this defensive coaching staff.

Yeah, one has great hands and I'm not sure the other has any at all.
:laugh:

darthseinfeld · Jun 22, 2020

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Nice to see these guys working.

And good to see him working against some quality players as well in JuJu and his big bro.

Him being Stephon's brother could be a real benefit

darthseinfeld · Jun 22, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Ehh, I don't agree at all. He was handcuffed by an outdated scheme and zero safety help and still played at an All-Pro level the last 2 years.

I wouldn't have paid him what Miami gave him, but I think this board undervalued him. The "he gets no picks" argument quickly identifies the casual football fan from those who better understand the game, especially understand DB's.

If Diggs becomes as good as Jones, we did very well

stilltheguru · Jun 22, 2020

We'll see. Im skeptical

JohnsKey19 · Jun 22, 2020

stasheroo said:
Yeah, one has great hands and I'm not sure the other has any at all.

Yeah that's what I was alluding to. Their games and how they've been coached thru college as DBs are completely different. I wasn't trying to say that one will be better than the other, because we just don't know.

morasp · Jun 22, 2020

He was a steal in the second round.

KDM256 · Jun 22, 2020

Diggs is going to surprise a lot of fans once the season get started and I'll be right here to say "Told you so"

This kid was first round talent before he got banged up and won't take long before he's starting on this team.

OmerV · Jun 22, 2020

Looking seasoned, to me, is more about how a player reads the opponent, and understands offenses, and how quickly he picks up on what the receiver is doing and reacts to it, than it is physical ability and footwork. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying those things aren't important, but either physical ability is there or its not, and footwork can be worked on, but in my mind "seasoning" is the learning process that comes from playing and watching and digesting and competing. We will have to wait and see how he looks when those chances come.

CowboyRoy · Jun 22, 2020

rnr_honeybadger said:
We need some lucky breaks in that secondary now that we have lost the bulwark Heath. Gonna be tough going with his consistent pro bowl level performance

Heath is not anchoring the defense for the Raiders. :muttley:

xwalker · Jun 22, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
He was a great cover guy. But he was about as bad a corner as there ever was at picking the ball off.

He also showed little leadership on defense. Was not an outspoken or emotional leader. Not a big hitter by any stretch.

And no, I am not in agreement that great CB's rarely pick the ball off.

1 pick in 5 years is beyond ridiculous.

In my book he was more on the side of overrated. I think we can say that the Cowboys agreed with that assesment.

Starting CBs play over 1000 snaps per season.

5 INTs in a season is considered very good.

QBs throw the most picks in the 2nd half when their team is losing. That means most picks happen when the team that made the pick was winning anyway.

If a CB has 5 picks that at most 5 games that were impacted. The team was likely winning most of those games without the INT.

INTs are a bit over-rated.

KingintheNorth · Jun 22, 2020

darthseinfeld said:
If Diggs becomes as good as Jones, we did very well

He doesn't have to be as good as Jones. Even if he plays well it's the right move.

Byron Jones is 28 and has APY of $16.3M the next 5 years.
Trevon Diggs is 22 and on a rookie contract the next 4 years.

The 49ers traded DeForest Buckner, a darn good payer, for a 1st round pick which they used for Javon Kinlaw.

Kinlaw (6-6/310, Age 23) is under contract for 5 years (5th year option for 1st round picks) at a reasonable contract. Buckner (6-7, 291 Age 26) just signed an extension for the next 5 years with an APY of $16.3M.

Kinlaw's 2020 cap # is somewhere around $2M , Buckner's is $23,378,000. Kinlaw just needs to not suck and the 49ers replaced him while saving $21M in cap room. Same deal for Diggs. The difference is the 49ers traded Buckner before they lost him so they got immediate value and used the pick acquired in the trade to replace him. If we knew we we weren't going to re-sign Byron, we probably should have traded him last season. The Front Office was just in fantasy land thinking we were going to sneak into the playoffs and then turn on a light switch to become dominant.

darthseinfeld · Jun 22, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
He doesn't have to be as good as Jones. Even if he plays well it's the right move.

Byron Jones is 28 and has APY of $16.3M the next 5 years.
Trevon Diggs is 22 and on a rookie contract the next 4 years.

The 49ers traded DeForest Buckner, a darn good payer, for a 1st round pick which they used for Javon Kinlaw.

Kinlaw (6-6/310, Age 23) is under contract for 5 years (5th year option for 1st round picks) at a reasonable contract. Buckner (6-7, 291 Age 26) just signed an extension for the next 5 years with an APY of $16.3M.

Kinlaw's 2020 cap # is somewhere around $2M , Buckner's is $23,378,000. Kinlaw just needs to not suck and the 49ers replaced him while saving $21M in cap room. Same deal for Diggs. The difference is the 49ers traded Buckner before they lost him so they got immediate value and used the pick acquired in the trade to replace him. If we knew we we weren't going to re-sign Byron, we probably should have traded him last season. The Front Office was just in fantasy land thinking we were going to sneak into the playoffs and then turn on a light switch to become dominant.

I actually think they got two firsts for Buckner

darthseinfeld · Jun 22, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
He doesn't have to be as good as Jones. Even if he plays well it's the right move.

Byron Jones is 28 and has APY of $16.3M the next 5 years.
Trevon Diggs is 22 and on a rookie contract the next 4 years.

The 49ers traded DeForest Buckner, a darn good payer, for a 1st round pick which they used for Javon Kinlaw.

Kinlaw (6-6/310, Age 23) is under contract for 5 years (5th year option for 1st round picks) at a reasonable contract. Buckner (6-7, 291 Age 26) just signed an extension for the next 5 years with an APY of $16.3M.

Kinlaw's 2020 cap # is somewhere around $2M , Buckner's is $23,378,000. Kinlaw just needs to not suck and the 49ers replaced him while saving $21M in cap room. Same deal for Diggs. The difference is the 49ers traded Buckner before they lost him so they got immediate value and used the pick acquired in the trade to replace him. If we knew we we weren't going to re-sign Byron, we probably should have traded him last season. The Front Office was just in fantasy land thinking we were going to sneak into the playoffs and then turn on a light switch to become dominant.

darthseinfeld said:
I actually think they got two firsts for Buckner

As I was, it was one 1st

gimmesix · Jun 22, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Ehh, I don't agree at all. He was handcuffed by an outdated scheme and zero safety help and still played at an All-Pro level the last 2 years.

I wouldn't have paid him what Miami gave him, but I think this board undervalued him. The "he gets no picks" argument quickly identifies the casual football fan from those who better understand the game, especially understand DB's.

Yes, I have trouble understanding how fans can be overrating an All-Pro. It isn't like we selected him as a second-team All-Pro in 2019 or influenced Miami to pay big bucks to him. Those things show how he is valued in the league.

If teams felt the same way about him as the "no interceptions" crowd, none of the accolades or big money would have come his way.

blueblood70 · Jun 22, 2020

GMO415 said:
Enough with the HOF backyard workouts......sheesh.

umm Covid, lockdowns, being safe, no OTAs etc all virtual..im thinking lighten up they get pass for putting forth some effort..

CowboyRoy · Jun 22, 2020

xwalker said:
Starting CBs play over 1000 snaps per season.

5 INTs in a season is considered very good.

QBs throw the most picks in the 2nd half when their team is losing. That means most picks happen when the team that made the pick was winning anyway.

If a CB has 5 picks that at most 5 games that were impacted. The team was likely winning most of those games without the INT.

INTs are a bit over-rated.

Turnovers are one of the leading stats that determines wins and losses.

Do you even know the average points per loss for the Cowboys last year? One pick likely would have made the difference in all or most of them.

Nobody ever started discounting interceptions until JB played for Dallas.

And what about picks for QB's? Are those overrated too? Fumbles? Sacks?

But hey, you are entitled to your opinion.

Direwolf63 · Jun 22, 2020

Byron Jones' athleticism allowed him to become a very good cover corner. But he showed virtually zero ball skills.

Here's hoping Diggs can be more of a playmaker even if he doesn't quite reach the cover skills of Jones.

Valkyr · Jun 22, 2020

He's the next Kareem Larrimore.

Well, hopefully better than that.

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