How bad was Quinn vs run

Fletch · Jun 23, 2020

robjay04 said:
Expectations have never been lower but....

It would be pretty sweet if he came to camp ready, improved with a chip on their shoulder.

He doesn’t even feel like a Cowboy to me right now.

Definitely a forgotten man.

ondaedg · Jun 23, 2020

ultron said:
I’ve said it time and time and time again, Robert Quinn leaving was the best thing that happened this offseason. This guy was absolute dog shiiiiit vs the run last year and cost us at least 2 games and a playoff birth. He was horrendous and left this defense out to dry 90% of the time.

I enjoy Voch’s film sessions but it was obvious to even an amateur like me that a smallish guy like Quinn who is usually trying to beat the LT around the edge is going to kill us in the run game. And that is exactly what happened.

ondaedg · Jun 23, 2020

And how bad was Jaylon in those same videos. He looked like he was on roller skates getting knocked around by blockers who were blocking other guys even.

cowboygo · Jun 23, 2020

Dreski said:
It might be a long shot, but I’m really hoping Trysten Hill takes that next step this coming season. If Tomsula is the d line coach everyone says he is, and gets the best out of his players, and the idea(don’t think it’s confirmed) of Nolan running a multiple front Defense,I think Trysten can do well. He already kinda played in a 3-4 and 4-3, and he’s got potential. Just gotta put it together

"D-Line coach everyone says he is, and he gets the best out of his players" - isn't this what everyone said about Marinelli too? I know Marinelli wasn't flexible in his system, but the D-Line was his forte, and getting the best out of players apparently was too.

Dreski · Jun 23, 2020

cowboygo said:
"D-Line coach everyone says he is, and he gets the best out of his players" - isn't this what everyone said about Marinelli too? I know Marinelli wasn't flexible in his system, but the D-Line was his forte, and getting the best out of players apparently was too.

That’s fair but there’s also rumors that he’s quick to give up on players and plays favorites(though I’m sure all coaches more or less play favorites)

jterrell · Jun 24, 2020

Quinn has been cast as a pass rush specialist throughout his career.
He "could" have mostly done the job here versus the run but both he and Maliek Collins were chasing QBs and a new contract.

If you have two big DTs keeping the LBs clean you can get away with edge guys that just take away the outside. 3-4 OLB type stuff.
But Quinn just blew by all lanes with zero desire to stop the run.
He certainly didn't "stop the run on the way to the passer".

Dallas absolutely would have been better last year with Crawford at RDE on 1st down and short yardage to go situations.
1 sack every 2 games just doesn't make up for 5 first downs per game allowed.
It was painful to watch real time.

Big_D · Jun 24, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
The Rams rushed for over 200 yards against us in a playoff game. Oh I know, let's bring in Robert Quinn, keep the same DT's from that ground breaking loss, and continue to stress getting after the QB.

Thanks for nothing Marinelli. You should have never been hired.

Yup this was the problem. On top of players out of position just a very poor philosophy on the defensive line. If they don't bring in Richard, B Jones is still playing safety. lol That's how stupid this team was. Marinelli was a joke and he paired perfectly with the joke of a HC.

khiladi · Jun 24, 2020

Marinelli was picked because of Chicago and the TOs they generated in 2012. Garrett blamed Rob Ryan after the 2012 season for his own lack of success. He said it was Rob Ryan’s fault, because he could have had more chances on offense to score. But the irony is Garrett never saw his high turn-over offense as the reason he kept sucking up the joint. Garrett always shifted the blame to somebody else. But Jerry didn’t but it completely and started to pull the reigns from Garrett too.

"Give me some of those 28 opportunities. That's something that we really sat back and thought a lot about, had a lot of discussions about -- what's the best way to try to achieve that, and then, 'OK, you want to do that, now who are the guys who can help implement that?' "[/qupte]

https://www.nfl.com/news/jason-garrett-lack-of-turnovers-led-to-rob-ryan-firing-0ap1000000130448

ultron · Jun 24, 2020

ondaedg said:
And how bad was Jaylon in those same videos. He looked like he was on roller skates getting knocked around by blockers who were blocking other guys even.

And still put up the same exact numbers as All-world future hall of famer; Luke Kuechley

ondaedg · Jun 25, 2020

ultron said:
And still put up the same exact numbers as All-world future hall of famer; Luke Kuechley

Ya the tackle numbers were good but they don't show how many tackles were made 5yds upfield for example. And Carolina was 32nd against the run so Luke was in a similar situation of good tackle numbers but the tackles weren't being made at the LOS.

Johnny23 · Jun 25, 2020

mattjames2010 said:
A lot of excuses were made for Quinn while he was a Cowboy. Now that he's gone, people want to acknowledge how bad he was against the run. One trick pony at this point in his career.

Sure. There's been some very good one trick pony pass rushers. Our team just wasn't built to.cover for him like the Rams and to a certain extent Miami was.

I would take his pass rushing abilities on a more well rounded defense.

Bullflop · Jun 25, 2020

Quinn's game consisted of not playing the run as a routine habit of performing.

He routinely devoted the major portion of his efforts by just rushing the passer.

If a defensive end tends to that function often enough he can't be a run stuffer.

Johnny23 · Jun 25, 2020

Bullflop said:
Quinn's game consisted of not playing the run as a routine habit of performing.

He routinely devoted the major portion of his efforts by just rushing the passer.

If a defensive end performs that function often enough he's never a run stuffer.

That's what he's always been a sack artist. Going back to UNC when he was a colliagean. I don't have a problem with it. Rushing the passer is important. I think people should be taking umbrage with our former dc and passing defense coordinator than Quinn who is not a bad football player.

PAPPYDOG · Jun 25, 2020

quickccc said:
video per Voch Lombardi:

How bad was DE Robert Quinn vs run

The worst....hes gone now and in Chicago.
What is the point you are trying to make here??? :omg:

Johnny23 · Jun 25, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
The worst....hes gone now and in Chicago.
What is the point you are trying to make here???

I think it's the obsession with Voch's videos @PAPPYDOG and confirming certain biases they have for others against certain players.

Bullflop · Jun 25, 2020

Johnny23 said:
That's what he's always been a sack artist. Going back to UNC when he was a colliagean. I don't have a problem with it. Rushing the passer is important. I think people should be taking umbrage with our former dc and passing defense coordinator than Quinn who is not a bad football player.

I didn't say he was a "bad" football player. The fact is that he's limited as someone who often tends to ignore the run to play the pass.
Nobody's perfect and neither is he. Stuffing the run is important, as well.

Johnny23 · Jun 25, 2020

Bullflop said:
I didn't say he was a "bad" football player. The fact is that he's limited as someone who often tends to ignore the run to play the pass.
Nobody's perfect and neither is he.

Absolutely I agree. Just I think he Drew the ire of many fans because he has never shied away from being that sack guy.

Bullflop · Jun 25, 2020

Johnny23 said:
Absolutely I agree. Just I think he Drew the ire of many fans because he has never shied away from being that sack guy.

As you have noticed, there are many on this website who are hard to please. It happens.

Johnny23 · Jun 25, 2020

Bullflop said:
As you have noticed, there are many on this website who are hard to please. It happens.

Indeed. They are like the constant nagging wife.

Bullflop · Jun 25, 2020

Johnny23 said:
Indeed. They are like the constant nagging wife.

There were times here when the optimists vs. the pessimists were about 60/40. It was about 25 years ago. Now, it's more like 50/50.

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