Twitter: Another piece of evidence

aikemirv · Jun 23, 2020

Flamma said:
This is all true, including the OP. But that doesn't explain why our QB threw it there, and poorly.

Blake said:
Figments of your wild Dak-hating imagination not based in reality or facts.

Reality - bad snap - plenty of time - lazy throw and did not set his feet and the pass was behind by 3 yards probably

What facts are you looking at? - a good pass is a completion!

aikemirv · Jun 23, 2020

plasticman said:
Stephon Gilmore led the league in INT's last season the Patriots are ranked #2 overall in INT's over the past five seasons combined.

Not defending Garrett but being taken advantage of by a Patriot DB is hardly a distinction.

He id not take advantage of anything but a bad pass - a good pass is an easy completion!

Stash · Jun 23, 2020

plasticman said:
Stephon Gilmore led the league in INT's last season the Patriots are ranked #2 overall in INT's over the past five seasons combined.

Not defending Garrett but being taken advantage of by a Patriot DB is hardly a distinction.

How about Sam Darnold slicing you up after being off the field for over a month with mono and saying "The Cowboys just do what they do" after the victory?

As noted in the very first post, this isn't the first time a Garrett-led team had been labeled as predictable. Not the second, third, or fourth time either.

But anyone who still wants to turn a blind eye is welcomed to do so.

kskboys · Jun 23, 2020

stasheroo said:
How about Sam Darnold slicing you up after being off the field for over a month with mono and saying "The Cowboys just do what they do" after the victory?

As noted in the very first post, this isn't the first time a Garrett-led team had been labeled as predictable. Not the second, third, or fourth time either.

But anyone who still wants to turn a blind eye is welcomed to do so.

To expound, don't forget Cooper's statement after he and Dak changed the play and did something different: "I was tired of running at the DB and then just turning around."

Bigtex67 · Jun 23, 2020

Aviano90 said:
Can you remember the last time we jumped a route? I seriously can’t.

Hard to jump a route when you always have your back to the QB.

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 23, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
My point is: The team went 4-12 the year prior to Dak starting. The team was bad enough to have the #4 overall pick the draft in which Dak was drafted.

I hear what you’re saying. He had less hurdles than a guy like Burrow will. I agree with that.

But, how good do we want to say the team truly was the year prior to Dak arriving? I mean they were awful. The team was 1-11 the year prior to Dak without a QB named Romo starting. That’s pretty bad man.

Regardless, I do think you have to try to separate the QB’s performance from
The performance of the team to make an evaluation.

I don;t think that record shows exactly what that team was capable of. The team was better than 1-11, in my opinion. But...I get your point.

I will stand by my statement, if maybe a little less vigorously.

Direwolf63 · Jun 23, 2020

CouchCoach said:
While I am not a Garrett fan, I do not lay it on him when the QB throws a pick unless he called a pick on that play.

Got a WR running the same exact route he ran earlier against one of the best CB's in the league, did he think he would fool him? If the OC calls that play does he not depend on his QB and WR not to make it look the same? The QB and WR were equally responsible for poor execution of the play. They're facing the best DC in the game with the best CB and it's the OC's or HC's fault?

Garrett was not creative and what was it about him that led people to think he would be? He had never shown that tendency. When a backup QB, he came in and executed the offense. An offense, mind you, that was predicated on out manning the D, not creativity. We think our guys are better than yours and we'll prove it. That was his indoctrination into the NFL and first look at pro coaching. It was not about outsmarting them, it was about outplaying them.

He didn't show any creativity in NY or MIA either. He came into Dallas with very little experience What did he do with Bryant? Make him run his routes better or use him as the 50/50 WR? He probably ran the ball on 1st down more than any NFL coach because that's what he knew. He is the type coach that has to have the talent edge because he's not the tie breaker when it's even. And there are a hell of a lot more like him in the NFL, a hell of a lot.

I've said this about him many times, he was the hide in plain sight coach. Got this great football family pedigree and an Ivy League education and even has his QB endorse him as a future NFL HC. And what did Aikman base that on? Garrett's understanding of the offense, not creating one. He gets fast tracked up the ladder and if that were you, what would you do? Say oh no, I am not ready? Hell no, you grab it, jump on it and try to ride it. And you would love to be creative but you just aren't, some people just aren't.

You know who Garrett's mentor was? Nick Saban, think he's creative or is he dependent on better talent? How about before that with Norv Turner? Think he was creative? He took Zampese's playbook along with one of the most accurate QB's in the history of the NFL, a great OL, WR corps and TE AND a great D and just lined his up against theirs. That's why it was easy for Garrett to step in and take over. Don't create, just execute.

Y'all can lay all you want on Garrett but I look at the guy that hired him and kept him when it was evident he'd ben hiding in plain sight but Booger was blind to it because Garrett made him comfortable. The only way Garrett improved was if the talent improved and he has a lot of company in that in the NFL.

While this is all true, I'm not giving Garrett a pass. Good coaches adapt to what on their roster.

Bill Belichek has run conservative offenses with Brady being a bus driver in the early 2000's and play great defense. He ran wide open, slinging it offenses with Randy Moss and Wes Welker. He ran 2 TE's with Gronk and Hernandez. He ran down teams throat when he had to. Belichek did whatever it took to win games. Period. He didn't care how it was done. Just win.

Andy Reids offense is different with Mahomes than it was for Alex Smith, which was different for Micheak Vick, which was different with Donovan McNabb. That's what good coaches do.

Just because Garrett learned from the 90's dynasty doesn't mean he had to coach that way. You need to adapt. And Garrett simply refused to. It was always a "beat your guy in front of you" offense. And that's why great players like Ed Reed and Stephen Gilmore flourished playing against them.

Nope. No excuses for Jason Garrett from me.

G2 · Jun 23, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
I think you should go easy on Dre. He was being sarcastic.....
He never said that's what he thinks. He was saying that's what Garrett thinks...."to hell with coaching just makes speeches".,

I know...it's hard to read people on the internet. We should give some benefit of doubt though. Not pigeon hole it.

I was in my 40's before I realized it wasn't "Pigeon held."

the_h0wey · Jun 23, 2020

stasheroo said:
If anyone is still unclear that our former head coach and staff put us at a competitive disadvantage, here's Exhibit Z in the case:

These are statements from an All-Pro player with no 'dog in the fight', and no 'axe to grind', and no reason to tell anything other than the truth. A truth that a few still can't understand or admit.

After reading comments like this, I'm even more thrilled that the long-ended change was finally made, and our players will no longer be playing with one arm tied behind their backs on Sunday's.

Is there anyone arguing for Garrett being a good coach?

the_h0wey · Jun 23, 2020

Blake said:
History will look unfavorably back at Garret as a notorious con-man and coaching fraud.

Love the Signature. I blocked that guy years ago

Stash · Jun 23, 2020

the_h0wey said:
Is there anyone arguing for Garrett being a good coach?

All the time. Even to this day.

the_h0wey · Jun 23, 2020

stasheroo said:
All the time. Even to this day.

That is absolutely insane to me. I guess they missed the last decade...

Typhus · Jun 23, 2020

Diehardblues said:
If everyone knew this then why did Garrett remain here as HC all of these years? Who is that on?

Our coaching dilemma the last 25 years is on the Dr of Death of this franchise, Jerry the Football Idiot Jone$.

Man that was so brutal, it made me laugh,, being serious here.

Stash · Jun 23, 2020

the_h0wey said:
That is absolutely insane to me. I guess they missed the last decade...

I think a lot of it is pure stubbornness and some people being unwilling to admit that they got something completely wrong.

texbumthelife · Jun 23, 2020

I mean, I am not a Garrett guy by any stretch, I pined for him to be gone for years, but this just reads more like a world-class corner doing what world-class corners do. It's not just about running fast, it's also about the ability to diagnose pre-snap.

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 23, 2020

stasheroo said:
All the time. Even to this day.

As in who?

Stash · Jun 23, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
As in who?

You can see for yourself, look in this very thread and you'll find people making excuses (while claiming "I'm not making excuses").

Dre11 · Jun 23, 2020

rocyaice said:
Why is it bad coaches usually coach bad teams and good coaches constantly coach perennial contenders?

what did Belichek do in Cleveland? what did Shanahan do in Washington? what did Jimmy do in Miami? How did Payton go 7-9 3 straight seasons? talent/players

Cowboy4ever · Jun 23, 2020

Everyone can say what they want about coaching, he is gone. But we are stuck with the guy that threw that pass. No pressure around him but he made a panic throw anyway. He didn't set his feet, he side-armed it, and he doesn't have a great arm to begin with and that type of throw is even worse for him. He threw it behind the WR, again. That is a classical example of why a lot of people aren't sold on him being a big time QB. All he had to do was set his feet, drive the throw to his WR that would have given his WR a chance. Or he simply could have set his feet and threw to the WR doing the out and up on the other side for a TD. He had plenty of time, he panicked because of the high snap and made a poor decision and then executed his decision even more poorly. That is 100% on the QB.

Runwildboys · Jun 23, 2020

plasticman said:
Stephon Gilmore led the league in INT's last season the Patriots are ranked #2 overall in INT's over the past five seasons combined.

Not defending Garrett but being taken advantage of by a Patriot DB is hardly a distinction.

But having that DB tell you he was able to take advantage of you because of your tendency to be predictable is.

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