What godfather offer can pry Adams away from NY?

The Natural said:

Im not following the thread, im responding to your non-reading ***.

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heed your own advice then

CowboysFaninHouston said:

that should tell you the value of QBRs..Osweiler sucked......didn't get crap done.

and you lost all credibility when you said Tebow....it just shows you want to argue to win your point and don't care about reality.

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I was being sarcastic about Tebow and I provided QBR AND the “standard” ratings which were both the worst of Peytons career and both lower than Osweilers. You’re right though, those stats don’t matter because they don’t fit your narrative.

Statistics are reality in everyone’s world except yours. If you can’t accept his QBR or ratings for his Super Bowl year then I guess you shouldn’t accept them for any year...along with every other QB’s stats. I bet his completion percentage, sacks, fumbles, etc aren’t reality either, are they? I hate when those pesky analysts throw in the fake completions and miscellaneous interceptions just to make a QB’s stats look worse than they really are!

jazzcat22 said:

Now that Dak is signed. What is the official cap room Dallas now has?
Could they trade for Adams and extend his contract, as well sign the rookies. and still have a decent amount of cap space left.

And do not include cutting Crawford as a possibility, as that will not happen. Not until TC and the final roster cuts.
And no Gallup or any other good player, especially a starter will not get traded either. Weaken one position to improve another. That is just insane.

This (salary cap amount) will be or could very well be, a huge determining factor in any trade scenarios.

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I think Adams base is under 1M

Jake said:

What's their incentive to accept a draft-picks only deal in June? They can get that during the season, after the season - it does nothing to help them now.

The time to do that was before the draft.

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My position on it is to offer pics. Id like to get him in the fold, but Im not willing to comprise the team or the future of the team to do it. With 3rd and 4th round comps coming, I think we can give a robust offer without gutting our draft capital. I'd offer up a 1,3,4. I think thats more than a fair offer. If they want players, Im fine with walking away from the deal.

Rayman70 said:

question, does he play QB? Just askin.. never have I seen a safety be the final piece to a Championship team.

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Did you see Jeff Heath in the divisional round 2 years ago on the Goff rollout with 2 minutes? Could be the play that cost them the game.

I’d toss in Coakley if it would get the deal done

Rayman70 said:

question, does he play QB? Just askin.. never have I seen a safety be the final piece to a Championship team.

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Because the championship team already drafted one

stasheroo said:

Then I wouldn't.

My offer is a 1st and 3rd round pick - today. If I don't have him by the time my training camp starts, his value to me decreases, therefore so does my offer.

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I’m not even sure we’re going to have a season. I pray I’m wrong. If we don’t have a season I wonder how the draft picks work next season after. Right now I think I would stay put . Might be our best choice

Cowboyny said:

All the rumblings out there is the Jets want to keep Jamal Adams, but will listen to offers. The Cowboys reportedly called them last year and offered a 1st rd pick and Anthony Brown, where the Jets wanted a 1st rd pick, a 2nd rounder and either Tyron Smith or Zach Martin. What would be your package?

This probably wouldn't be enough:

#1, Jaylon Smith, Xavier Woods and Jourdin Lewis

You would almost have to send them back a quality starter who they can control for a few seasons

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wow thats a lot for a safety, is he Ronnie Lott or something

glimmerman said:

I wouldn’t trade draft picks or any of our good players. Wait it out and maybe they will release him. If he is mad and is a no show to camps.

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I’m thinking we don’t even have a season. And if that’s the case we can use a first round pick to get our own cheap. Even though we know what he brings to the table. What good is a year off

No FN way im giving up big names and draft picks for a box safety no matter how good hes been..sorry a late first maybe a third thats it or straight up for a pollard or even maybe Gallup but no way we give up a lot of both..hes not Aaron Donald or Mack type game changer

aria said:

I was being sarcastic about Tebow and I provided QBR AND the “standard” ratings which were both the worst of Peytons career and both lower than Osweilers. You’re right though, those stats don’t matter because they don’t fit your narrative.

Statistics are reality in everyone’s world except yours. If you can’t accept his QBR or ratings for his Super Bowl year then I guess you shouldn’t accept them for any year...along with every other QB’s stats. I bet his completion percentage, sacks, fumbles, etc aren’t reality either, are they? I hate when those pesky analysts throw in the fake completions and miscellaneous interceptions just to make a QB’s stats look worse than they really are!

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its about accomplishments, facts are before manning, they didn't get to superbowl. with manning, they won superbowl. after manning, they fell apart. similar teams.

and I never said that stats don't matter at all. but they are not the only measure. jamies Winston was the highest passer this past year, that doesn't make him any good.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

then you keep gallup, who is younger, and cut cooper who is getting older....

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That is definitely a possibility also. The most important question is how much is gallop going to want to resign in two years? Cooper straight up for Adams might get it done. However, Im sure that would mess things up with dead money.

Cowboyny said:

One injury away and we have very little depth at the position.

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You could say that about most positions. We wont even have a starter on the team at safety after this season.

I am also a fan of Devon Smith. We could also sign someone or trade for someone.

Rayman70 said:

THERES Peyton Manning, Russel Wilson I believe after he was drafted took the TEAM to the SB. Drew Brees in NO after they got him it wasnt long before they won the SB. Without these guys I mentioned, they dont win it all. Conversely, name me a safety that elevated his new team to a SB . maybe back in the day safety was hugely important, but not now. Its important, but not one of those things were you have to pay a kings ransom for a guy.

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Ask the steelers if they know about saftey's and the importance of having one.

More then any other player the saftey has the freedom and therefore the obligation to put himself in the correct position.

Like all the other Greats he has a high football IQ which stems from his love for the game. Coupled with his desire to continue to improve.

He takes pride in his game to a level of obsession so that he will be able to look himself in the mirror, knowing he gave it all.

I'll admit I did not know much of him until tue rumors that the Cowboys were showing interest.

Just like the year before with Earl Thomas things were heating up before we played them. It became a showcase game for Adams. And sure enough He elevated his game just like Earl.

It was beautiful watching him play with that passion. And sure enough we lost. I believe if Jamal doesnt suit up that day we win.

I love that kind of play especially from the Saftey Position.

Teams that I enjoyed watching win because of thier defenses had Inteligent Field Generals.

2000 Ravens who had Rod Woodson Smart High Football IQ passionate. Switched positions and excelled.

2013 Ravens had Ed Reed at Free Saftey. High Football IQ passionate

2002 Buccaners John Lynch. High Football IQ passionate

This is who Jamal Adams is. . .he would most certainly elevate this team to the next level

Why wouldnt anyone want that?

CowboysFaninHouston said:

its about accomplishments, facts are before manning, they didn't get to superbowl. with manning, they won superbowl. after manning, they fell apart. similar teams.

and I never said that stats don't matter at all. but they are not the only measure. jamies Winston was the highest passer this past year, that doesn't make him any good.

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Ok, how about the eye test? Did you watch Peyton play at all in 2015? How about his Super Bowl performance?

Completely disagree that there is a direct correlation to them winning a Super Bowl in 2015 and Peyton playing. The defense changed drastically as well the year after and it was clearly their defense that carried the team the entire season and through the SB, not Manning. Manning didn’t even play half the games in 2015 and had one of the worst seasons of any QB that year but keep believing what you want to.

If it’s about accomplishments I guess Dan Marino was a hack and Eli is one of the greatest QB’s to ever play the game, he has more SB’s than Rodgers and Marino and Favre.

Cowboyny said:

All the rumblings out there is the Jets want to keep Jamal Adams, but will listen to offers. The Cowboys reportedly called them last year and offered a 1st rd pick and Anthony Brown, where the Jets wanted a 1st rd pick, a 2nd rounder and either Tyron Smith or Zach Martin. What would be your package?

This probably wouldn't be enough:

#1, Jaylon Smith, Xavier Woods and Jourdin Lewis

You would almost have to send them back a quality starter who they can control for a few seasons

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Dak, Jaylon (Mr Corporation lol), and a 2nd round pick. They could use dak and trade darnold, or use darnold and trade dak to another team for a 1st.

aria said:

Completely disagree that there is a direct correlation to them winning a Super Bowl in 2015 and Peyton playing. The defense changed drastically as well the year after and it was clearly their defense that carried the team the entire season and through the SB, not Manning. Manning didn’t even play half the games in 2015 and had one of the worst seasons of any QB that year but keep believing what you want to.

If it’s about accomplishments I guess Dan Marino was a hack and Eli is one of the greatest QB’s to ever play the game, he has more SB’s than Rodgers and Marino and Favre.

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yeah denver won SB and got there with the defense, which is what dallas should try and do , but they wont.
Manning was a bus driver that year, and even before that seattle and legion of boom destroyed denver, wasnt that manning too>?

And about eli , people knock him, but he was good, he avoided injurys, was there every game, and on the 2 SB runs, he played great in playoffs
both times. That is stepping up when it counts, which is something marino never did, and farve and rodgers could only do one time.
although farve was knocked out of a 2nd chance by the cheating bounty team NO, same for curt warner, it should have been curt or farve in
the SB that year.

Whirlwin said:

I’m not even sure we’re going to have a season. I pray I’m wrong. If we don’t have a season I wonder how the draft picks work next season after. Right now I think I would stay put . Might be our best choice

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I still expect the NFL to push through with the season. In some form anyway.

darthseinfeld said:

I think Adams base is under 1M

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I was thinking more if they gave him a new contract. No way they give up a 1st round just for 1 year. They did that with Cooper. And will not for any other player, as they may need to use the tag on Dak again.