Comparing Zeke to HOF RBs

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To be fair...he's had some issues. What player was hounded by GODell? He should have never received a suspension, let alone SIX freaking games and you know it. The holdout? I have no excuse for it. Coming in not prepared? I have no excuse for that.

This "number of carries" thing you use as your whole basis...is BS. Of COURSE he needs carries. That's the way a good running game works. You beat them and pound them into submission. Zeke has always worked this way....he may have 45 yards in the first half....but 145 at the end of the game. That's how a good big RB works. 2016 TEAM success is PROOF!

Let's look at Emmitt's "number of carries":

91 - 365
92 - 373
94 - 368
95 - 377
96 - 327
98 - 319
99 - 329

Zeke:
16 - 322
17 - 242
18 - 304
19 - 301

Hmmm...is Emmitt a great back? Because of number of carries? Of course he is. So is Zeke. I've told you this before, and I know I can't convince you of anything, but I can at last show other people how ridiculous your notion is. There certainly could be some OTHER reason for you to hate him...but not this.

Emmitt is similar in that way. But Emmitt was a leader, didn't get suspended, and Emmitt was the heart and soul of that team. There were times were Emmitt simply couldn't be stopped and dominated in the biggest games.

We leaned on Emmitt to win games. Was at his best in the 4th Quarter. Games lately where we lean on Zeke, we lose and get down big early. And he rarely makes the big plays. Put in a guy like Pollard and he starts popping off big plays. Zeke can barely run for over 15 yards.
 

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Zeke is making more money than any of these clowns!!!


So is every other starting player than those in years past. The pay scale for all positions go up as the years go by. Your money argument is foolishness and means zero in evaluating the production of a player today.
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Emmitt is similar in that way. But Emmitt was a leader, didn't get suspended, and Emmitt was the heart and soul of that team. There were times were Emmitt simply couldn't be stopped and dominated in the biggest games.

We leaned on Emmitt to win games. Was at his best in the 4th Quarter. Games lately where we lean on Zeke, we lose and get down big early. And he rarely makes the big plays. Put in a guy like Pollard and he starts popping off big plays. Zeke can barely run for over 15 yards.
Several games we abandoned the run too early and got pass happy.
 

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Emmitt is similar in that way. But Emmitt was a leader, didn't get suspended, and Emmitt was the heart and soul of that team. There were times were Emmitt simply couldn't be stopped and dominated in the biggest games.

We leaned on Emmitt to win games. Was at his best in the 4th Quarter. Games lately where we lean on Zeke, we lose and get down big early. And he rarely makes the big plays. Put in a guy like Pollard and he starts popping off big plays. Zeke can barely run for over 15 yards.

I don't disagree with most of this. But simply spewing "number of carries" is plain stupid. That's all I want to call out. "Big fatty can't get down the field"? Well....mkay :thumbup:
 

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Zeke is off to a pretty good start for getting to the HOF no doubt about it. But he did drop his pace a bit last season, and that’s not a good omen. Plus he’s rich as God compared to past players which may mean he doesn’t feel the need to play in his 30s on a crummy team.
Also Emmitt is probably really a group 2 guy (not only was he not really any good after age 30, he wasn’t really any good after 26)... which isn’t at all bad because of you look at the two groups that’s the one you want to be in.


Do you have any idea how foolish your statement is. What you're saying is Emmitt became the NFL ALL TIME LEADING RUSHER by the time he was 26. In those first 6 season he gain 7974 yards not even half of the 17162 yards to set that record. Oh and then Emmitt had 6 more season of over 1000 yards. Ya tell us all again how Emmitt wasn't really any good after turning 26.
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So is every other starting player than those in years past. The pay scale for all positions go up as the years go by. Your money argument is foolishness and means zero in evaluating the production of a player today.
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Get over it! No one can joke anymore around here! Sorry I forgot to say LOL!!!!!
 

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Get over it! No one can joke anymore around here! Sorry I forgot to say LOL!!!!!


Go back and reread what you said and then tell us that we're supposed to know that in your mind you were kidding.
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Zeke Elliott has had an outstanding 4 year career to date.
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He seems to have lost his burst. He appears to be looking for contact rather than trying to find openings to explode out of.

Last season against a banged up Lions defense. Ewok just averaged 2.8 yards per attempt. His longest run was an almighty 8 yards. Then he took himself out in Philly vs the Egals which caused a disaster. The list goes on.

He's not the same since his big payday. Comparing him to HOFers is an insult to the hard work and dedication each one of them gave while playing in the league. Unless Ewok does a complete 360', I see his stats tumbling even more in the future.
 

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Do you have any idea how foolish your statement is. What you're saying is Emmitt became the NFL ALL TIME LEADING RUSHER by the time he was 26. In those first 6 season he gain 7974 yards not even half of the 17162 yards to set that record. Oh and then Emmitt had 6 more season of over 1000 yards. Ya tell us all again how Emmitt wasn't really any good after turning 26.
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He wasn’t particularly good after age 26... you can live in whatever fantasy world you want to about that. Emmitt isn’t in the Hall of Fame because of the rushing record, he could have stopped right after the third Super Bowl and he would have been a first ballot just based on what he had done to that point.
 

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Also Emmitt is probably really a group 2 guy (not only was he not really any good after age 30, he wasn’t really any good after 26)
Emmitt played 9 more years after he was 26. That's about twice as long as the average NFL career. So your saying a player last 9 years in the league who wasn't really any good. Hmmmmmm.
 

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I may be wrong but I dont see Zeke having a really long career, money sometimes takes the place of incentive..I really hope I'm wrong.


He doesn't HAVE to have a "really long career". Just get us to a SB in the next 2-4 years.
 

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He seems to have lost his burst. He appears to be looking for contact rather than trying to find openings to explode out of.

Last season against a banged up Lions defense. Ewok just averaged 2.8 yards per attempt. His longest run was an almighty 8 yards. Then he took himself out in Philly vs the Egals which caused a disaster. The list goes on.

He's not the same since his big payday. Comparing him to HOFers is an insult to the hard work and dedication each one of them gave while playing in the league. Unless Ewok does a complete 360', I see his stats tumbling even more in the future.


AND you'll be damned glad of it too...right?
 

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I don't disagree with most of this. But simply spewing "number of carries" is plain stupid. That's all I want to call out. "Big fatty can't get down the field"? Well....mkay :thumbup:

The point is that he isn't a big play guy. He is not as "dangerous" as other backs. Not like he has huge TD numbers based on his carries. Most of his TD's are within 10 yards of the GL.

So it would make MORE sense to have a stable of backs that were much cheaper and one or two could add that "big play" element that is missing if you just have Zeke.

Pollard and Zeke are actually the PERFECT combination of thunder and lightning. But Pollard needs more touches in both the run and passing game. And we are paying too much for Zeke.

Now if Zeke was 10 million or less things would be great.
 

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He seems to have lost his burst. He appears to be looking for contact rather than trying to find openings to explode out of.

Last season against a banged up Lions defense. Ewok just averaged 2.8 yards per attempt. His longest run was an almighty 8 yards. Then he took himself out in Philly vs the Egals which caused a disaster. The list goes on.

He's not the same since his big payday. Comparing him to HOFers is an insult to the hard work and dedication each one of them gave while playing in the league. Unless Ewok does a complete 360', I see his stats tumbling even more in the future.
Nothing wrong with a little contact, as long as he's wearing his mask.
 

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The point is that he isn't a big play guy. He is not as "dangerous" as other backs. Not like he has huge TD numbers based on his carries. Most of his TD's are within 10 yards of the GL.

So it would make MORE sense to have a stable of backs that were much cheaper and one or two could add that "big play" element that is missing if you just have Zeke.

Pollard and Zeke are actually the PERFECT combination of thunder and lightning. But Pollard needs more touches in both the run and passing game. And we are paying too much for Zeke.

Now if Zeke was 10 million or less things would be great.
Your first paragraph defines Emmit Smith to a T.
 

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Would you rather have someone like Barkley who dances around and gets hit at the line of scrimmage but bursts out a huge play every game

Or

Someone like zeke who is a chain moving punishing back. You can hit him at the line but hes going to pick up 2 yards.

Ide rather have a grinder moving the chains then someone who has like 30yards rushing the entire game then all of a sudden rips a 50yard run
 
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