How important is OC Kellen Moore

khiladi

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Garrett was also flat out told he was no longer calling plays by Jerry, and that Bill Callahan would be calling the plays hence forth!
But guess what? Later it was admitted Garrett was secretly calling the plays and giving them to Callahan to pass on to the QB.
I don't believe for one minute that Garrett was totally uninvolved with KM's play calling any more than what took place with Bill Callahan.

Jerry said Garrett kept interfering and in 2014 with Linehan he wasn’t going to touch the offense and he made good with it. That’s why he said Garrett deals with ambiguity well as far as his role.

That’s why you saw Garrett doing nothing on the sidelines during the offense when Linehan came and Moore was calling plays. During the Callahan era, they moved him to the top and Jason kept the headset. And Jerry said that Garrett was effectively the play caller and kept interfering.

Callahan was a west-coast guy and Jerry specifically said they didn’t want to change the offense and even though Linehan has the same terminology he calls a completely different offense than Garrett.

And Moore came with Linehan from Detroit and was HIS guy.
 

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The fact they benched Romo makes me believe Jerry lost it. Remember, they got rid of Dez, blaming him that Dak was forcing the ball to him and they didn’t need a number 1. Then they panicked after guys like Chris Carter were saying they should admit they made a mistake a bring Dez back. This was all part of the “Dak-friendly” offense.

the problem is, they knew they had a SB window with Romo which they closed.

Gutting Romo was totally a Jerry call!
Now he's stuck with the inept Dak and at 78 years old with no Superbowl insight....
Hope dies last and maybe after 3 dismal years of Prescott he is ready to stomach his mistake and move on from imposter Prescott!
 

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Gutting Romo was totally a Jerry call!
Now he's stuck with the inept Dak and at 78 years old with no Superbowl insight....
Hope dies last and maybe after 3 dismal years of Prescott he is ready to stomach his mistake and move on from imposter Prescott!

At least they got a guy with an arm and accuracy in the off-season behind Dak.
 

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https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...s-coach-mike-mccarthy-mike-nolan-dak-prescott

Kellen Moore is the most important Cowboys coach

The offense may have to carry the team in the early going, and the second-year OC has to make that happen.

Guess what, mateys?
MaCaa will have his own guys develop a system for Moore to use.
Moore will be tasked with making MaCaa's system work. If he does not like it, tough.
My sense, old chaps and misfits, is that Moore won't be here after a full season with the New regime.
 

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Jerry said Garrett kept interfering and in 2014 with Linehan he wasn’t going to touch the offense and he made good with it. That’s why he said Garrett deals with ambiguity well as far as his role.

That’s why you saw Garrett doing nothing on the sidelines during the offense when Linehan came and Moore was calling plays. During the Callahan era, they moved him to the top and Jason kept the headset. And Jerry said that Garrett was effectively the play caller and kept interfering.

Callahan was a west-coast guy and Jerry specifically said they didn’t want to change the offense and even though Linehan has the same terminology he calls a completely different offense than Garrett.

And Moore came with Linehan from Detroit and was HIS guy.


....Jerry Jones has confirmed Tuesday that he has stripped head coach Jason Garrett of the teams play-calling duties for the upcoming 2013 season. Offensive Coordinator Bill Callahan will call the plays.....

https://gridironexperts.com/jerry-jones-strips-garrett-of-play-calling-duties
 

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Jerry Jones has confirmed Tuesday that he has stripped head coach Jason Garrett of the teams play-calling duties for the upcoming 2013 season. Offensive Coordinator Bill Callahan will call the plays

https://gridironexperts.com/jerry-jones-strips-garrett-of-play-calling-duties

“That will not be the case in 2014, thanks to the off-season addition of former Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Scott Linehan as passing game coordinator and play-caller. He will have final say on the offense and Garrett will spend most of his time with the defense, Jones said...”


“Jason was really your coordinator last year,” Jones said. “That’s a fact. That was one of the issues. It was unfair to Bill. All of it was manifested by the fact that it was very difficult for Jason to get out of that role. That’s why we had such a tough time articulating it early. That’s why we made some of the switches we made during the middle of the season.

“All of it was manifested by the fact that it was very difficult for Jason to get out of that role. We laugh, but there is a difference when you’re sitting in the room and as the coach and you say, ‘Hey, wait a minute, y’all put some salt and pepper in there’ than after it has already been cooked and you’re tasting it outside the room and it might need a little salt and pepper. It’s a big difference.”


Read more here: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article3847045.html#storylink=cpy


“Linehan gives us a complete real change of our offense with our terminology,” Jones said. “Although [Garrett and Linehan] have been together coaching, you can’t see a lot of what we’ve been [doing] in what they did up in Detroit. He’s got a track record of really zeroing in and building the offense around the talent, the specific talent and the qualities of the players.”

Read more here: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article3847244.html#storylink=cpy
 

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Zeke got 71 targets last year, and 95 the year before. I think it's going to be hard to get him significantly more targets with the WRs we have, especially if we are also trying to get significantly more targets for Pollard at the same time. If they can get about 110 targets between them that would probably be a solid number.

It won't be neccessarily amount of touches in the pass game that concern or encourage me.. but it's how the RBs will be schemed designed into those touches, it's not gonna be dump offs and safety valve catches that's gonna be more major factors but more so the misdirection quick screens, flairs and swing passes. those type designs to get/ hit the RB on the move getting them going uphill quickly with build up momentum to gain splash plays - something i was disappointed in the direction of Moore in this area.
 

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Keeping Moore simply confirms that this was and still is Jerry's Team!
Big Mike can say YES YES YES all day long if needed as the money is massive!

i don't we dunno that. That seems to be pure fan speculation.
How does that explain why McCarthy sought to not only keep another remaining asst coach Doug Mussenheimer
on, but elevate him from TEs coach to QB coach?
Or are we gonna put that on Jerry too ?

Why can't it be assumed that McCarthy evaluated the plus and minus of the current coaching staff, and decided keeps/departs and there was something in Moore and Mussenheimer that he wanted to continue in Dak and the offense? That those two added something that they could offer/add to both McCarthy himself and his assistant Joe Philibin ?
 

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Not Very.

They hired McCarthy to win. McCarthy's whole coaching life is offense. He hired all the assistants he wanted that used to be with him, mostly on offense.

McCarthy will be in charge of the offense. I have zero idea why Kellen Moore was kept on this staff or why he is calling plays. It feels very much like a Jerry/Stephen thing. McCarthy was on record in GB saying you do not give up play calling and he gave it up right away when coming here.

So again to me Kellen Moore is not important at all.

This is my line of thinking along with my previously mentioned theory that Kellen Moore will be promoted in similar fashion as Garrett was. History repeats itself yet again under Jerry.

Why not keep Kitna if you're keeping Moore?
Headscratcher.
 

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Ask the player who wants 35+ million a year for 4 years.....jeez he's only the QB like saying kick returner why should he be held responsible for our scoring woes????:huh:
Come on you give the ball to Elliot on third down and he doesn’t make it. And you’re blaming Prescott
 

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i don't we dunno that. That seems to be pure fan speculation.
How does that explain why McCarthy sought to not only keep another remaining asst coach Doug Mussenheimer
on, but elevate him from TEs coach to QB coach?
Or are we gonna put that on Jerry too ?

Why can't it be assumed that McCarthy evaluated the plus and minus of the current coaching staff, and decided keeps/departs and there was something in Moore and Mussenheimer that he wanted to continue in Dak and the offense? That those two added something that they could offer/add to both McCarthy himself and his assistant Joe Philibin ?
Welcome to Pappy’s world
 

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Early in the season, the offense looked very different then we have seen for some time, lots of motion and deep shots. My biggest issue with Moore was he got away from the run way too often, even when it was working. With more experience, he will only get better as a play caller. Having MM should only help him moving forward.
I dont know man, last year was just bizarre.

At home they did what they needed to do and looked at times like a real team, then on the road they would go into this scared shell.

That was the coach's mindset, and the players certainly followed suit.

Garrett lead teams were never going to have a chance on the road. Curling up in the fetal position in that case is pure stupidity, but ok Jerry...isnt it fun having a coach you can push around??
 

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I dont know man, last year was just bizarre.

At home they did what they needed to do and looked at times like a real team, then on the road they would go into this scared shell.

That was the coach's mindset, and the players certainly followed suit.

Garrett lead teams were never going to have a chance on the road. Curling up in the fetal position in that case is pure stupidity, but ok Jerry...isnt it fun having a coach you can push around??

Crazy thing is, outside of last year, the team actually preformed better on the road then at home.
 

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there's a lot to like about Kellens' offensive mind and what he brought and implements has nothing to
do or looked like when Garrett was calling the plays himself or when he allowed Linehan to call the plays himself.

In what looked like a staple version of the McVey Rams offense,
-we saw multiple more pre-snap motion and various formation looks
- we saw how the huddle was much more quick in and out, much quicker tempo paced
- we saw a bigger emphasis on pushing the ball vertically downfield in the pass game
- we continue to see Prescott got quickly set and quicker in getting the ball out of his throwing hand vs
holding ball for sacks.

- We continue to see the RPO's and calls for Dak's ball handling and run skills-especially around
goal line red zone.
- Dunno if some could tell it, but the route designs in the pass game among WR/TEs were much more improved and creative with Moore than they were in the Linehan era.

* * But i thought Moore being a novice rookie OC, also showed his inexperience at times.

- Besides the aforementioned slow starts that were too much a regularity during the season,
there were signs of conservative trend particularly On -The- Road,where we didn't see near the
multiple pre-snap motion and various formations as we do at home.

- i thought there were some indecisiveness as when to stay with the run (ala NE and Bills games)...and
when to keep up the pass attack in dak's hands, (ala the Vikes game)

- I also did not like how the RBs were schemed and involved - especially in the pass game.
The once vaunted RB screen passes were non-existent,.Pollard had the lone cross route for TD vs Lions,
but invisible vs pass otherwise. And there were times when i'd wonder if Pollard was even game active,
as a couple games he never/rarely even got in the game.

It does seems debatable to me, if Garrett interfered in how Moore was handling the offense, and if he
ignored the need to help the rookie Moore better manage the offense in certain spots, stretches and situations.
With Garrett's long history and trend of poor in-game adjustment and management, it was difficult to
know what side became true.
 

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Right. When Garrett became more involved with more at the end of the 2018 season what happened? Our passing was more effective. Garrett involved with helping the game plan in 2019, results were career years for Dak in yards and passing TD's. Maybe it was garretts influence and system that made Dak what he is today.

Yeah right....

If that's the case what happened the year before with Scott Linehan?
 
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