Comparing Zeke to HOF RBs

Starforever · Jun 24, 2020

What, no Hambrick?

Aviano90 · Jun 24, 2020

kskboys said:
Your first paragraph defines Emmit Smith to a T.

Emmitt has a pretty impressive highlight reel that shows a ton of big plays. I think the perception is Emmitt didn't have big plays. I even thought it for a long time. Maybe it's because he was constantly being compared to Barry Sanders. Here is a link.

jterrell · Jun 24, 2020

aria said:
What are his other 4 tools? Purses and belly shirts don’t count.

RB 5 tools are speed, power, vision, hands, blocking.

Zeke's speed has almost certainly tailed off a bit as anyone will with over 1000 hits.
His blocking is elite.
His receiving is plus for NFL level.
His power is elite.
His vision has always been a plus tool.

Starforever · Jun 24, 2020

Zeke, two rushing titles, and two top ten finishes, in four years. The line has been good. In those years, the o-line was ranked (PFF) 3rd, 4th, 14th, 4th. Similar lines, did not have the same production. Of course, Zeke has carried more than your average back. They both compliment each other, as teammates should.

aria · Jun 24, 2020

jterrell said:
RB 5 tools are speed, power, vision, hands, blocking.

Zeke's speed has almost certainly tailed off a bit as anyone will with over 1000 hits.
His blocking is elite.
His receiving is plus for NFL level.
His power is elite.
His vision has always been a plus tool.

Hmmm...I figured he would be at least top 5 in broken tackles and yards after contact if his power was elite. I would also think he would try and avoid being tackled instead of running right into defenders if his vision was that good. Receiving is debatable IMO but his blocking is very good to elite.

gjkoeppen · Jun 24, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
He wasn’t particularly good after age 26... you can live in whatever fantasy world you want to about that. Emmitt isn’t in the Hall of Fame because of the rushing record, he could have stopped right after the third Super Bowl and he would have been a first ballot just based on what he had done to that point.

I don't deny that Emmitt could have retired after Super Bowl XXX and still probably been a 1st ballot HOF'er, but that in NO WAY makes saying that Emmitt wasn't good after the age of 26 when he DID gain more than half of the yards he retire with and IS the NFL all time leader in rushing. Again your evaluations make me thank God EVERY day that you have zero to do with the Cowboys.
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glimmerman · Jun 24, 2020

Aviano90 said:
Emmitt has a pretty impressive highlight reel that shows a ton of big plays. I think the perception is Emmitt didn't have big plays. I even thought it for a long time. Maybe it's because he was constantly being compared to Barry Sanders. Here is a link.

That one against the egirls I will never forget. BIG HOLE OVER RIGHT TACKLE. TO THE 40 AND HE IS GONE.. Or was it against the deadskins. Can’t remember the team but the run I will never forget. :lmao2:

gjkoeppen · Jun 24, 2020

Ranching said:
Only an prude would think that was serious.

I don't know you from Adam or Eve and yet I'm supposed to read what you actually wrote and then say I'm going to use my mental telepathy powers and look into your mind to see that you were joking. So every time a user write something bad about a player they're just joking and we should all know this because of that mental telepathy thing. If you want to say something as a joke then either word it like a joke or say it's a joke or use the lol. But don't call people names because they took what you actually wrote to mean what you actually wrote.
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gjkoeppen · Jun 24, 2020

glimmerman said:
That one against the egirls I will never forget. BIG HOLE OVER RIGHT TACKLE. TO THE 40 AND HE IS GONE.. Or was it against the deadskins. Can’t remember the team but the run I will never forget.

I remember him doing that in a MNF up against the vikings in OT where he broke one for the winning TD.
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SteveTheCowboy · Jun 24, 2020

jterrell said:
Zeke is currently 4th all-time in yards per game.

That's an insane pace.
It seems unlikely to hold up we also are about to see an entirely new offense which is truly loaded.
Zeke may be more impactful with less carries.

I think a lot of Dallas fans are still butthurt that he held out last year because there will always be a segment of fans like that.
Fans hated Emmitt for his hold out too.

I'm not sure Zeke was 100% last year after the long holdout and missing so much time but he was still 4th in rushing yards and 5th in total yards from scrimmage.
He was still in the elite group even in a worst of career season.

I think it is very fair to project him at slightly better than last year.
Something around 1450 rushing yards, 4.7 YPC with fewer passing targets but better depth on average when targeted.
That would likely place him in the top 70 all-time of rushing yardage.

As to the weird fat cracks, Murray found his golden era by drinking 16 pounds of water before games. Two full gallons.
He'd shed it during games but the added water weight wore teams down and as he shed weight and became quicker in game they were beaten up.
Heavier backs really aren't a problem.
Speed was only 1 of Zeke's 5 tools and the one that fades the quickest anyway.

Just so you know...me? I was being a bit facetious. Most everyone knows I am a loyal fan....only a TAD more than most of the other Cowboys players. I do think he came off his holdout...not really ready.

There's a few guys that are being hypocrites and possibly disingenuous about this "but number of carries" crap. Zeke isn't the first or only big back that wants the carries as the game goes on. I cited Emmitt's numbers. As I said...it's how a big back running game works. To not acknowledge that shows extreme ignorance or dishonesty, either one unbecoming.

Super_Kazuya · Jun 24, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
I don't deny that Emmitt could have retired after Super Bowl XXX and still probably been a 1st ballot HOF'er, but that in NO WAY makes saying that Emmitt wasn't good after the age of 26 when he DID gain more than half of the yards he retire with and IS the NFL all time leader in rushing. Again your evaluations make me thank God EVERY day that you have zero to do with the Cowboys.
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Like I said, you can live in whatever fantasy world you want to live in... get one of your great grandkids to pull up the numbers for you. He had arguably the greatest 5 year run for an RB ever, and then wasn't good after that. It's getting close to 5 PM so off to bed with you, Boomer.

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 24, 2020

aria said:
And then people would and do say (including in this very thread) that we used him too often, we’re too predictable, wearing him down, etc.

Then if they don’t give him the ball enough people complain even more that we didn’t give our best offensive player the ball enough and the coaches were dumb for not using him more. Just like when it’s 4th and short, zeke gets the ball, gets stuffed and then fans complain how obvious it was, should have never given him the ball, blah blah blah but when they don’t give him the ball on 4th and short they complain that he should have got it.

Bulll sheet.

Tell me WHO.... said "we used too often" and "didn"t give him the ball enough. " pure bull sheet. Now you're just making stuff up. Welll...as usual I guess.

Whirlwin · Jun 24, 2020

aria said:
and over rated and over paid and a diva and a punk and an entitled spoiled brat.

I couldn’t have said it better

Whirlwin · Jun 24, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
Like I said, you can live in whatever fantasy world you want to live in... get one of your great grandkids to pull up the numbers for you. He had arguably the greatest 5 year run for an RB ever, and then wasn't good after that. It's getting close to 5 PM so off to bed with you, Boomer.

lol Are you saying Smith had a five year career and then was average

aria · Jun 24, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
I don't know you from Adam or Eve and yet I'm supposed to read what you actually wrote and then say I'm going to use my mental telepathy powers and look into your mind to see that you were joking. So every time a user write something bad about a player they're just joking and we should all know this because of that mental telepathy thing. If you want to say something as a joke then either word it like a joke or say it's a joke or use the lol. But don't call people names because they took what you actually wrote to mean what you actually wrote.
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Just to clear it up for future reference, whenever I say something that may be perceived as bad against zeke because it’s most likely true and some people can’t handle the truth...I’m not joking. I don’t want there to ever be any confusion about that.

Whirlwin · Jun 24, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
Bulll sheet.

Tell me WHO.... said "we used too often" and "didn"t give him the ball enough. " pure bull sheet. Now you're just making stuff up. Welll...as usual I guess.

I’ve seen Elliot trip over his own ego more than once. Choose the wrong hole. Take himself out of the game because he’s a little bit gassed. I don’t call that a professional football player. Yes but if I need a first down I’m giving the ball to him. So my guess my point is he’s just not all around great

Tussinman · Jun 24, 2020

Zekes in a weird spot. Will probably have solid longevity but not elite longevity. Will probably have 2 or 3 elite all-pro caliber years but not a handful.

Seems like HOF runningbacks need a handful of elite years or elite longevity. I could see Zeke having good for both but not quite enough. Him getting drafted in 2016 also hurts because he just barely missed the cutoff for the 2010s all-decade team and will probably decline during the bulk of the 2020 decade (having the all-decade team helps alot for RB).

Whirlwin · Jun 24, 2020

Elliot had one good season. Just like Prescott. And then the turmoil begin. Second season suspension. Third season we lost our starting tight end wide receiver center. Elliot was sloppy from holding out. And then last season Jason Garrett blew the whole thing up no one believed In him In him anymore I just don’t know what we have I don’t think next year is going to tell us with this damn virus it may be two years before we get things back on track

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 24, 2020

Whirlwin said:
I’ve seen Elliot trip over his own ego more than once. Choose the wrong hole. Take himself out of the game because he’s a little bit gassed. I don’t call that a professional football player. Yes but if I need a first down I’m giving the ball to him. So my guess my point is he’s just not all around great

How about we give him those two years on the contract with MM before you proclaim him a bust.

We just spent 5-6 years beeching about how terrible the coaching was. Well...terrible HOW? Was clapping the only terrible thing? Well....no....right? Play calling game management. Might not help him constantly tripping over his own ego and not seeing any holes....but maybe better management can open things up a little bit more.

He's here, let's give him a clean slate...sort of cheer him on a little bit. What the he11, live life on the edge.

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 24, 2020

Whirlwin said:
Elliot had one good season. Just like Prescott. And then the turmoil begin. Second season suspension. Third season we lost our starting tight end wide receiver center. Elliot was sloppy from holding out. And then last season Jason Garrett blew the whole thing up no one believed In him In him anymore I just don’t know what we have I don’t think next year is going to tell us with this damn virus it may be two years before we get things back on track

There you go! You beat me to it!

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