Best NFL Head Coaches: Where does McCarthy rank?

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I guess people are forgetting how awful he was his last two years. 11 and 16 before getting ran before the end of the 2018 season. 5 and 6 in the playoffs since the 2011 Super Bowl win.

He's leaps and bounds better than Garrett but this top 10 talk is silly.
I agree.

His ending in GB was embarrassing.

His work with Rodgers was a waste of Roger's best years.

If Dak does not respond to McCarthy, what happens?

If Dak has an enormous contract and poor performance under Big Mike..

McCarthy will be gone.

Just saying.
 

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Mike McCarthy is so good he got beat by Coughlins Giants at Home twice in the playoffs. Once with a 15-1 team with Rodgers at quarterback losing to a 9-7 Giants team. The other time in the cold at home with Favre. This same team that beat Dallas both in 07 and 11 to get to the superbowl that Dallas gets killed for.

Yes he won a superbowl in 2010 I know.
 

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Mike McCarthy is so good he got beat by Coughlins Giants at Home twice in the playoffs. Once with a 15-1 team with Rodgers at quarterback losing to a 9-7 Giants team. The other time in the cold at home with Favre. This same team that beat Dallas both in 07 and 11 to get to the superbowl that Dallas gets killed for.

Yes he won a superbowl in 2010 I know.

Wasnt those the very same Giants team that went on to twice beat dynasty led Pat's in two superbowls ?
What's the embarrassment of that? :huh:
 

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The Favre that McCarthy inherited was absolutely awful.
Favre had plenty left in the tank when Mccarthy got there. In fact in was in contention for league MVP 2 of the next 4 years.

Maybe 2006....he was somewhat Eli-like in that 1st year.
But 2007 he was very good.. Runner-up in MVP voting is in no way imaginable "awful". Of course Brady ran away the MVP that year with his once a decade type year.

Then Favre was gone.
But 2 years later he was totally outstanding in Minnesota. 33 Tds and only 7 ints, league-leading 107 QB rating.

So McCarthy had Favre only 2 years then he was stuck with that dud QB Aaron Rodgers the rest of the way.
He had debatably the best QB situation for his entire stay in Green Bay as anyone in the history of football. The challenger would be Bill Walsh
 

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Wasnt those the very same Giants team that went on to twice beat dynasty led Pat's in two superbowls ?
What's the embarrassment of that? :huh:
Those 2007 Giants shut everyone down in the playoffs. Dallas still should've won, just 3-4 freaky bad drops and two huge special teams blunders that led to 14 points.

In fact, in both of Eli's SB wins, the defense gave up just 14 and 17 points respectively. Hard NOT to lose when you only have to score that few points.
 

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Favre had plenty left in the tank when Mccarthy got there. In fact in was in contention for league MVP 2 of the next 4 years.

Maybe 2006....he was somewhat Eli-like in that 1st year.
But 2007 he was very good.. Runner-up in MVP voting is in no way imaginable "awful". Of course Brady ran away the MVP that year with his once a decade type year.

Then Favre was gone.
But 2 years later he was totally outstanding in Minnesota. 33 Tds and only 7 ints, league-leading 107 QB rating.

So McCarthy had Favre only 2 years then he was stuck with that dud QB Aaron Rodgers the rest of the way.
He had debatably the best QB situation for his entire stay in Green Bay as anyone in the history of football. The challenger would be Bill Walsh
McCarthy inherited Favre coming off his worst year ever. 2005. He had more INTs then TDs. Favre in 2006 was mediocre. 18-18 TD to int ratio. Yes, Favre had a pretty decent 07, but still not statistically top 5 that season. Matt Hasselbeck had a better year that year.

People confuse Favre in McCarthy's years for MVP 90's Favre. Favre never played even close to top 5 for Mike McCarthy.
 

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McCarthy inherited Favre coming off his worst year ever. 2005. He had more INTs then TDs. Favre in 2006 was mediocre. 18-18 TD to int ratio. Yes, Favre had a pretty decent 07, but still not statistically top 5 that season. Matt Hasselbeck had a better year that year.

People confuse Favre in McCarthy's years for MVP 90's Favre. Favre never played even close to top 5 for Mike McCarthy.
Sure he was top statistically n 2007
4 in passing yards and 6th in QB rating puts him right there.

Anyway, we are only talking two Favre years here. It's not that big of a deal. All the rest were Rodgers.

If you want to say one year (out of 13) McCarthy didn't have top 5-6 QB, I would agree.
2006 That's it. So you're right...not every year.
 

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All I know is that he can't be any worse than Garrett!
OK you finally convinced me. Garrett SUX!!!

Now that he isn't working for Jerry he doesn't show up if you just type in Garrett. They show popcorn, metal detectors, some kind of turbo-charger, but no Jason.
 

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Sure he was top statistically n 2007
4 in passing yards and 6th in QB rating puts him right there.

Anyway, we are only talking two Favre years here. It's not that big of a deal. All the rest were Rodgers.

If you want to say one year (out of 13) McCarthy didn't have top 5-6 QB, I would agree.
2006 That's it. So you're right...not every year.
Um, no, that isn't even close to enough to putting him at top 5 on the season. You are utterly disregarding rating, TDs, INTs, etc.

Rodgers 2008, and 2010 were arguably not top 5 QB seasons those seasons.
 

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I think we all should be excited about MM as our new HC of the Cowboys. He is a HC who has a successful track record, not a good DC like a Wade Phillips nor an inexperienced first time HC like Garrett. As where he stands as the top HC's in this era, if he leads the Cowboys to a Super Bowl victory, he has done something nobody else has, win with two franchises.
 

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McCarthy's slate is washed clean as far as I'm concerned. His days in GB were marred by a squabble with a egocentric QB that just got out of hand. It's a new day for him in Dallas. I'm pretty certain he welcomes his new gig with open arms. His initial year won't be easy, either, due to one unfortunate issue that's out of his control. With a pandemic in full bloom, it's very difficult for any coach to get his bearings. I just wish him great success.
 
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Based off his work as HC of Packers, where would you rank new Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy among
the better Head Coaches in the NFL ?
i can kinda see it like this:

1 Bill Belichek Pats

2 Andy Reid KC Chiefs

3 Sean Peyton Saints

4 Pete Carroll Seahawks

5 Mike Tomlinson Steelers

6 Jon Harbaugh Ravens

7 Mike McCarthy Cowboys ?

8 Doug Pederson Eagles

9 Kyle Shanahan Niners

10 Sean McVey Rams

Honorable Mention: Mike Zimmer, Vikings .....Mike Vrabel Tenn
The top coach list is always a work in progress, but here is an interesting stat:
Coach Seasons Playoff %
Doug Pederson 4 75%
Bill Belichick 25 72%
Andy Reid 21 71%
Pete Carroll 14 71%
Mike McCarthy 13 69%
John Harbaugh 12 67%
Bill O'Brien 6 67%
Sean McVay 3 67%
Sean McDermott 3 67%
Mike Tomlin 15 62%
Mike Zimmer 6 50%
Ron Rivera 9 44%
Dan Quinn 5 40%
Jon Gruden 13 38%
Bruce Arians 6 33%
 

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Yea, I’m not sure I’d take McCarthy over any of them. Although I’m not that sold on Pederson. He is looking more like a one year wonder.

But if he can take this franchise further than the last 5 Cowboy head coaches then he might be elevated closer to top 5 in this group.
I’ll give Pederson a break. He has had to deal with more players lost to injury next to the Commanders (#1 injury team) yet somehow wins a SB and gets his team into the playoffs. I still can’t believe that injury-ridden practice squad they put on the field last year won more than six games.
 

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For MM I think it remains to be seen
If he can take this team to the super bowl his stock will soar
How many coaches have taken 2 different Franchises to a Superbowl?

I believe Andy Reed?

How many have won more than one?

None.

The answer should indicate your answer there
 

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Do we really know how good Bill is without Tom.
I like Andy as top coach just by what he has done with the Eagles and Chiefs
 

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How many coaches have taken 2 different Franchises to a Superbowl?

I believe Andy Reed?

How many have won more than one?

None.

The answer should indicate your answer there
There is a reason no coach has won two with different teams though
Mainly is they stay where they were for so long and then get a rebuilding job
Plus winning a super bowl is mighty hard to do
 

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Now just think if Payton had coached Rodgers and Brees was with McCarthy.
Brees was kicked to the curb by his original team.
New Orleans signed him after Miami said no thanks.

I'd say Big Mike and Payton are essentially even as head coaches.

Making assumptions about the unknowable is not an argument. You hope it works out in your favor but it's just wishcasting.
 

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He did win a Super Bowl and he's been out a year. I'd say the jury is out on this one. We'll just have to wait and see how this pans out in Dallas.
 

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Making assumptions about the unknowable is not an argument. You hope it works out in your favor but it's just wishcasting.

I was really just defending my position against the poster that
seemed to think Payton wasn't nearly as good as McCarthy.

As I've stated several times, I like them both. Most fans would've
loved to see Payton come to Dallas a couple years ago.
 

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I think we all should be excited about MM as our new HC of the Cowboys. He is a HC who has a successful track record, not a good DC like a Wade Phillips nor an inexperienced first time HC like Garrett. As where he stands as the top HC's in this era, if he leads the Cowboys to a Super Bowl victory, he has done something nobody else has, win with two franchises.

My main focuses with McCarthy is how he is depending upon once boss, Mike Nolan as DC.

As much flash,splash and dash money is constantly going into this offense and very sparingly on defense
its' going to continue to be the Defense that highly likely decides whether we advance down the stretch
and how our season continues in playoffs ...or ends in the playoff.

And if the going gets rough on the defensive side after two seasons,(barring mass wipe out injuries)
then he has to be quick about making changes and not letting it be too personal and sentimental..
That's what happen with him by holding on to wash up DC Dom Capers and sustaining some of the worse
defenses down the road.
i do not want to see that finesse style defense that McCarthy had for latter part of his defense before his demising firing.

- Also how MM implements manages both zeke and pollard into the offense- as both runners and receivers.
and it's gonna have to start with him, ..not Kellen Moore, imo.

As a game manager and decision maker, a gutsy go for it aggressor, an in -game adjuster (something Garrett was most horrible at) a QB guru and X's and O's designer and a leader of men, i'm that confident and optimistic about McCarthy.
 
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