Can we copy cat Jackson and the Ravens?

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No, it’s a good way to lose your quarterback for a season
Well..

We have tried to do it running Zeke into the ground behind great OLs.

Did not work after 2016.

We got Amari after 2017 to make a decision about needing a feature WR to see if Dak can win that way.

Wasn't enough.

Now we have added Cee Dee. Is that going to be enough?

I think we need Dak to get more aggressive and run the ball more.

I think 8-10 times a game if needed. Even if it's just rolling out and heading for the sidelines.

His best plays are his throws on the run where he spreads the defense and runs the receivers open.

He does not have to lower his shoulder. Tuck and drop after a run.

But run the ball and make big plays.

We have to change something.

I am not convinced things are going to be all that much different with so little prep time to install anything that new.

Maybe next year with a normal off season.

This year is a bit too tricky.
 

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My big question at this point is..

seeing how Jackson set the league on fire last season with his running out of pass formation..

are we going to incorporate that more into our offense?

are we going to run 4 receiver sets this year frequently?

Won't Zeke and the OL be able to open some gaping holes for Zeke and Pollard to exploit?

Will we do that?

If we run 4 receiver formations..will the QB draw and sweep be run? If the secondary takes off for the endzone to cover..has to be huge gaps to run thru.

Jackson with the Ravens have made that Jackson's trademark. Can Dak do that? Will he do that?

Farve was a mobile QB and he won like crazy.

Rodgers was not and was more of a pocket passer.

The WCO is very different than what we have been trying to do.

McCarthy has some things to adjust to with this cast of characters. Moore probably helps but still..

Dak needs to take on a new personality in 2020.

Here's wishing his success for sure. Everything depends on him now.

What do you guys see?

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No. We are not running our $31+ million qb more. He will take opportunities when they present themselves.
 

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There are few similarities between Jackson and Prescott, Jackson is a running fool of a QB and one of the toughest runners to tackle in the game. Prescott can be effective on breakdown and called runs but he is not in the league of Lamar Jackson, who is like a more athletic and faster Randall Cunningham.

Most QB's run, the D loves it, gets to unload on him. Not Jackson, he starts to move all the guys on the D get real wide eyed. He can really make them look bad. I didn't think he could make that transition from Louisville to Baltimore work but man, was I wrong!
I have made some replies to Dak running and how his running could be effective without risking him too much.

I just think alot has been tried to help Dak and we have not progressed much.

Run Zeke like a zombie..no improvement.

Traded for Amari, some improvement but not a lot.

Now Cee Dee and not sure about exactly how that is going to move the needle.

Last year, Dak threw for almost 5,000 yds..not enough.

Points being scored is all that matters. Dak has to figure something out.

I am just looking at strengths we have we are not utilizing enough.
 

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No. We are not running our $31+ million qb more. He will take opportunities when they present themselves.
I did suggest other things in my post.

Everybody wants to attack about Dak running.

That was just one thing I mentioned.

Nobody wants him hurt.

But it is football and we have a capable backup for once

I would not be so conservative with the QB to the point of not running him more.

Mahomes runs like crazy. Nobody gets their panties in a knot about him running.

In fact when he got hurt, he was right back out there running a week later.

:huh:
 

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I did suggest other things in my post.

Everybody wants to attack about Dak running.

That was just one thing I mentioned.

Nobody wants him hurt.

But it is football and we have a capable backup for once

I would not be so conservative with the QB to the point of not running him more.

Mahomes runs like crazy. Nobody gets their panties in a knot about him running.

In fact when he got hurt, he was right back out there running a week later.

:huh:
Having lived in KC for 26 years, everyone freaked out and wants him to be smarter about it.
 

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My big question at this point is..

seeing how Jackson set the league on fire last season with his running out of pass formation..

are we going to incorporate that more into our offense?

are we going to run 4 receiver sets this year frequently?

Won't Zeke and the OL be able to open some gaping holes for Zeke and Pollard to exploit?

Will we do that?

If we run 4 receiver formations..will the QB draw and sweep be run? If the secondary takes off for the endzone to cover..has to be huge gaps to run thru.

Jackson with the Ravens have made that Jackson's trademark. Can Dak do that? Will he do that?

Farve was a mobile QB and he won like crazy.

Rodgers was not and was more of a pocket passer.

The WCO is very different than what we have been trying to do.

McCarthy has some things to adjust to with this cast of characters. Moore probably helps but still..

Dak needs to take on a new personality in 2020.

Here's wishing his success for sure. Everything depends on him now.

What do you guys see?

Comments?
I've been watching football a long time and every time there is a great running qb who shoots out the gate like this, they end up having a mediocre career, never sniffing a SB. Defenses will adjust to Jackson. Also note he is 0-2 in the playoffs, so they kind of already are. Beware of what you desire.
 

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I've been watching football a long time and every time there is a great running qb who shoots out the gate like this, they end up having a mediocre career, never sniffing a SB. Defenses will adjust to Jackson. Also note he is 0-2 in the playoffs, so they kind of already are. Beware of what you desire.
I think you guys are running away with yourselves over Dak and running more.

As usual, you guys want to pick the low hanging fruit. That's why I mentioned a few other things in the post.

I did suggest a few different things for Dak to do to improve our offense.

Crickets on that stuff, huh?
 

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Btw.

Just so we are clear here
  • Jackson THREW for 36 TDs last year.
  • RGIII's very best year was only 20.
  • Dak's best year was 30 and he averages about 24.
Jackson is just different.

Just let Dak be Dak
Comparing Dak to Lamar is like comparing apples to oranges, I don't understand how anyone could draw similarities.
While Lamar Jacksons running is his forte and by design, he isn't just a one trick pony.
Had 401 pass attempts for 3,127yds last season.
6 ints.
All that and 1200 yds rushing.
 

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I'd like to see dak use his legs more thats for sure.
I would too.

When you watch his college tape..its the first thing that jumps out.

I thought "finally we have a running QB."

But no. Garrett has to start making Dak change his footwork..

his reads, his LOS audibles..

He became light years from his rookie year.

So glad that prick is gone.
 

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My big question at this point is..

seeing how Jackson set the league on fire last season with his running out of pass formation..

are we going to incorporate that more into our offense?

are we going to run 4 receiver sets this year frequently?

Won't Zeke and the OL be able to open some gaping holes for Zeke and Pollard to exploit?

Will we do that?

If we run 4 receiver formations..will the QB draw and sweep be run? If the secondary takes off for the endzone to cover..has to be huge gaps to run thru.

Jackson with the Ravens have made that Jackson's trademark. Can Dak do that? Will he do that?

Farve was a mobile QB and he won like crazy.

Rodgers was not and was more of a pocket passer.

The WCO is very different than what we have been trying to do.

McCarthy has some things to adjust to with this cast of characters. Moore probably helps but still..

Dak needs to take on a new personality in 2020.

Here's wishing his success for sure. Everything depends on him now.

What do you guys see?

Comments?
The ONLY thing we should copycat from BALT is their 4th ranked D, complete w/ a great DLine and huge NT.
 

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Comparing Dak to Lamar is like comparing apples to oranges, I don't understand how anyone could draw similarities.
While Lamar Jacksons running is his forte and by design, he isn't just a one trick pony.
Had 401 pass attempts for 3,127yds last season.
6 ints.
All that and 1200 yds rushing.
Those are horrific passing numbers.
 

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I think you guys are running away with yourselves over Dak and running more.

As usual, you guys want to pick the low hanging fruit. That's why I mentioned a few other things in the post.

I did suggest a few different things for Dak to do to improve our offense.

Crickets on that stuff, huh?
well you sound like you are addressing multiple people in replying to my post. I am replying to the thread title, yes, I admit that. I did not do a full read as I was a bit hurried. May I suggest the thread title lent itself to such reactions?
 

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My big question at this point is..

seeing how Jackson set the league on fire last season with his running out of pass formation..

are we going to incorporate that more into our offense?

are we going to run 4 receiver sets this year frequently?

Won't Zeke and the OL be able to open some gaping holes for Zeke and Pollard to exploit?

Will we do that?

If we run 4 receiver formations..will the QB draw and sweep be run? If the secondary takes off for the endzone to cover..has to be huge gaps to run thru.

Jackson with the Ravens have made that Jackson's trademark. Can Dak do that? Will he do that?

Farve was a mobile QB and he won like crazy.

Rodgers was not and was more of a pocket passer.

The WCO is very different than what we have been trying to do.

McCarthy has some things to adjust to with this cast of characters. Moore probably helps but still..

Dak needs to take on a new personality in 2020.

Here's wishing his success for sure. Everything depends on him now.

What do you guys see?

Comments?
I'm all for it being implemented into the offense, Red. Maybe like 1/3rd of the passing plays. Dak is the perfect candidate since he ran that a lot in college.
 

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My big question at this point is..

seeing how Jackson set the league on fire last season with his running out of pass formation..

are we going to incorporate that more into our offense?

are we going to run 4 receiver sets this year frequently?

Won't Zeke and the OL be able to open some gaping holes for Zeke and Pollard to exploit?

Will we do that?

If we run 4 receiver formations..will the QB draw and sweep be run? If the secondary takes off for the endzone to cover..has to be huge gaps to run thru.

Jackson with the Ravens have made that Jackson's trademark. Can Dak do that? Will he do that?

Farve was a mobile QB and he won like crazy.

Rodgers was not and was more of a pocket passer.

The WCO is very different than what we have been trying to do.

McCarthy has some things to adjust to with this cast of characters. Moore probably helps but still..

Dak needs to take on a new personality in 2020.

Here's wishing his success for sure. Everything depends on him now.

What do you guys see?

Comments?
I THINK YOUR ON TO SOMETHING and I think we have already done this. Look at our roster offensively. Its really similar and the new style we will be playing. Like the Ravens, we will be super diverse on O and hard to defend. Its essentially spreading out defenses making them defend every inch of grass. THATS what we are now.We arent a ground and pound team anymore. WE CAN if need be, but we will be much more unpredictable.
 

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Those are horrific passing numbers.
why are you comparing his numbers to pocket passers...lol
He is a RB playing the QB, that can throw the ball and highly efficient in running that offense.
 

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The Ravens offense is designed around Lamar Jackson. If he gets hurt, they are so screwed. Thank god the Cowboys have a viable backup to run our offense if Dak ever got hurt.
 

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My big question at this point is..

seeing how Jackson set the league on fire last season with his running out of pass formation..

are we going to incorporate that more into our offense?

are we going to run 4 receiver sets this year frequently?

Won't Zeke and the OL be able to open some gaping holes for Zeke and Pollard to exploit?

Will we do that?

If we run 4 receiver formations..will the QB draw and sweep be run? If the secondary takes off for the endzone to cover..has to be huge gaps to run thru.

Jackson with the Ravens have made that Jackson's trademark. Can Dak do that? Will he do that?

Farve was a mobile QB and he won like crazy.

Rodgers was not and was more of a pocket passer.

The WCO is very different than what we have been trying to do.

McCarthy has some things to adjust to with this cast of characters. Moore probably helps but still..

Dak needs to take on a new personality in 2020.

Here's wishing his success for sure. Everything depends on him now.

What do you guys see?

Comments?

Do all QBs that look like Dak scream "running QB" to you?

You might spend time reflecting on this issue.
 

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I hope we dont..as much some fans love to mimic out of fun what other teams do,
We dont need to force dak to be a Jackson vick type run oriented QB.
His game is more geared towards a Russell Wilson.
Play action ball handling fakes, roll out misdirections
And Russell, dak use their run/scrambling skills per RPOs goal line, scrambling away from rush pressure but I dont want to see him constantly running upfield vs tacers
My big question at this point is..

Seeing how Jackson set the league on fire last season with his running out of pass formation..

are we going to incorporate that more into our offense?
are we going to run 4 receiver sets this year frequently?
Won't Zeke and the OL be able to open some gaping holes for Zeke and Pollard to exploit?

Will we do that?
If we run 4 receiver formations..will the QB draw and sweep be run? If the secondary takes off for the endzone to cover..has to be huge gaps to run thru.
Jackson with the Ravens have made that Jackson's trademark. Can Dak do that? Will he do that?

Farve was a mobile QB and he won like crazy.
Rodgers was not and was more of a pocket passer.


The WCO is very different than what we have been trying to do.
McCarthy has some things to adjust to with this cast of characters. Moore probably helps but still..
Dak needs to take on a new personality in 2020.
Here's wishing his success for sure. Everything depends on him now.

What do you guys see?
Comments?

Rodgers was not mobile ? Maan' you are so all over the place with 'dis :laugh:
 
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