What godfather offer can pry Adams away from NY?

CowboysWillRise said:

We are spoiled with riches at the WR position. Looking at talent and from salary cap / position stand point Gallups value cant be that far off from Jamal Adams. You are right in that Gallup and a second day pick is a fair offer. The Jets should jump all over that. No one, and I repeat NO ONE is giving away multiple first rounders for a safety. The only way the Jets could dream of that is if they had a young Ed Reed or Polamalu back there.

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they should jump at it. Not sure jerry has the foresight.

CowboyRoy said:

they should jump at it. Not sure jerry has the foresight.

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Despite our lack of success the FO has built a good team. I have a good deal of faith in them right now. Of course I dont agree with everything, but as a whole its been a fantastic off season.

Rayman70 said:

DENVER. Peyton Manning.

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the defense got them to and won them the title. They made the playoffs with Brock Osweiler and then played weekend at Bernies with the corpse of Peyton

CowboysWillRise said:

Despite our lack of success the FO has built a good team. I have a good deal of faith in them right now. Of course I dont agree with everything, but as a whole its been a fantastic off season.

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Has to be one of the best off seasons in Cowboys history.

daboyzruleperiod said:

Jets need a quarterback. Make it an even-steven trade w/Adams and be done with the headache.

Jerry would save a ton of money and Dalton would be iconic with all the talent surrounding him. Let Dak be miserable with the Jets. Touche'

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Championship

CowboyRoy said:

That rating was if Adams replaced Woods.

The ONLY real question marks for me are in the secondary with this current team. And It remains to be seen whether the RDE position is going to be good or great.

But yes, if Adams replaced Woods I definitely think the unit has a chance to be a top 5 defense.

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-Would could debate how improved the defense would become, but you aren't getting Adams straight up for Gallup. They asked for a #1 pick and Zack Martin last time. Their asking price was an all-pro plus a 1st rd pick, which suggests they will only trade Adams for a massive overpay.

-They still control him for a few seasons at a manageable rate, considering they could use the franchise tag. There is no expectations for them to win this season, if Adams plays hardball, they will call his bluff, kind of like the Chargers did with Melvin Gordon.

-Unless Jets management changes their thinking, in my opinion, this talk about acquiring Adams is pure fantasy, even more so then landing Earl Thomas a few years ago.

-The front office/coaching staff has to make it a priority to address the position next off-season, as they almost have no choice as both their starters could leave via fa. This position was treated like the NT spot under Marinelli, time to bring in legitimate talent at this position!

Adams now being linked to San Francisco. If he goes there, I can’t wait to see the “he wasn’t worth it” comments from the same people wanting to give up the farm for him.

Cowboyny said:

-Would could debate how improved the defense would become, but you aren't getting Adams straight up for Gallup. They asked for a #1 pick and Zack Martin last time. Their asking price was an all-pro plus a 1st rd pick, which suggests they will only trade Adams for a massive overpay.

-They still control him for a few seasons at a manageable rate, considering they could use the franchise tag. There is no expectations for them to win this season, if Adams plays hardball, they will call his bluff, kind of like the Chargers did with Melvin Gordon.

-Unless Jets management changes their thinking, in my opinion, this talk about acquiring Adams is pure fantasy, even more so then landing Earl Thomas a few years ago.

-The front office/coaching staff has to make it a priority to address the position next off-season, as they almost have no choice as both their starters could leave via fa. This position was treated like the NT spot under Marinelli, time to bring in legitimate talent at this position!

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Agreed on all of it. My best offer was Gallup, Woods, Awuzie and a 4th rounder. If they were smart, they would do that all day long. Or Gallup and a 3rd.

But like you said...…...never going to happen. If Cowboys are smart, they should just wait it out another year or even two. When Zeke is gone, they can sign him for free.

aria said:

Adams now being linked to San Francisco. If he goes there, I can’t wait to see the “he wasn’t worth it” comments from the same people wanting to give up the farm for him.

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The way things are looking, that first round pick is going to be in the late 20's. Your not finding an all pro anything that far down. IF we are going to use that pick on a safety anyway then I see no reason why we shouldnt use it for Adams. An all pro sure thing at our greatest position of need.

The question remains how much is he worth? I would give a first and Woods and a lower draft pick.

Work out a contract where he remains at his rookie deal the next two years and then it bounces up to 15 million per year for another 4 years. He can move into the Zeke slot in two years when we cut or trade him.

Aligns perfect actually.

CowboyRoy said:

Pah……...nonsense. What this team needs is defense and especially a great safety in the secondary. They don't need another great receiver next to the best duo in the NFL.

Any number of WR's could play that 3rd WR position and we would be fine. IN fact...……….Devin Smith could excel at it in my opinion.

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So glad that Jerry never responds when you text him.

CowboyRoy said:

Agreed on all of it. My best offer was Gallup, Woods, Awuzie and a 4th rounder. If they were smart, they would do that all day long. Or Gallup and a 3rd.

But like you said...…...never going to happen. If Cowboys are smart, they should just wait it out another year or even two. When Zeke is gone, they can sign him for free.

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Based on the deal we saw Pittsburgh made for Fitzpatrick, you would think a 1st rd pick and another mid rounder or veteran player would be fair compensation. The Jets would have to get off their demands of landing an all-pro Guard like Martin or even a Michael Gallup.

Cowboyny said:

Based on the deal we saw Pittsburgh made for Fitzpatrick, you would think a 1st rd pick and another mid rounder or veteran player would be fair compensation. The Jets would have to get off their demands of landing an all-pro Guard like Martin or even a Michael Gallup.

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Would you trade Collins and a 3rd for Adams straight up?

CowboyRoy said:

Would you trade Collins and a 3rd for Adams straight up?

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I would, but they wanted #1 and Martin, Collins and a 3rd aren't enough.

2nd round pick, one of our top 2 safeties and a backup safety like number 4

Cowboyny said:

All the rumblings out there is the Jets want to keep Jamal Adams, but will listen to offers. The Cowboys reportedly called them last year and offered a 1st rd pick and Anthony Brown, where the Jets wanted a 1st rd pick, a 2nd rounder and either Tyron Smith or Zach Martin. What would be your package?

This probably wouldn't be enough:

#1, Jaylon Smith, Xavier Woods and Jourdin Lewis

You would almost have to send them back a quality starter who they can control for a few seasons

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Much less need for an Adams type Safety with the new defense which is a base 2-deep defense.

Don't believe the reports about what the Cowboys offered.

In recent years the Cowboys have been known to make trade offers and then leak the offer.

The purpose is to get the player worked up. The Cowboys then back off the trade to see if the other team panics once the player protests against them.

See Earl Thomas. They never planned to actually trade a 2nd for him.

The Cowboys are trolling for deals like the 2019 Robert Quinn trade where they'll get more from the comp pick than they gave for him.

Their other angle is to find a player that wants away from the other team enough that he'll sign a well below market value deal if they trade for him.

They'll keep doing it every year and some years they'll get a Quinn or possibly better type deal.

The Stephen Jones strategy is to play the long game and be ready when opportunity comes.

Jerry's strategy was more like "All In" in poker.

You know what, I've seen great players traded away for very 'reasonable' even sometimes what many would consider bargain prices. Dallas need to wait for the reasonable or bargain price for this guy and if they don't get him oh well.

They seem to want a linemen, so I offer them Connor Williams, an ascending starter who can play guard or tackle. Then, we can barter over picks, except I'm not giving up a first. Williams, a second in 2021 and a second in 2022 would be acceptable. Maybe the Jets wouldn't go for that, but I wouldn't give up more (and that definitely wouldn't be my starting point -- the second draft pick would be added as incentive if Williams and next year's second wasn't enough, which it wouldn't be. The second pick would start out as a fifth and move up from there in the negotiations).

Cowboyny said:

That would be a fair offer IF they want to legitimately deal him, but not a deal they can't refuse.

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Don't offer deals they can't refuse.

xwalker said:

Much less need for an Adams type Safety with the new defense which is a base 2-deep defense.

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Although I do believe there is less of a need using two-deep, Adams is a special player, so if we can get him for the right price, I'm all for it. This is a young All-Pro who can play the two-deep but absolutely destroy plays when he comes out of that and moves near the line of scrimmage. Right now, we've got safeties who can play the two-deep but are very questionable when they come up to play the run. It would be nice to be able to move into Cover-1 or Cover-3 and not have the safety who moves up be a liability.

xwalker said:

Much less need for an Adams type Safety with the new defense which is a base 2-deep defense.

Don't believe the reports about what the Cowboys offered.

In recent years the Cowboys have been known to make trade offers and then leak the offer.

The purpose is to get the player worked up. The Cowboys then back off the trade to see if the other team panics once the player protests against them.

See Earl Thomas. They never planned to actually trade a 2nd for him.

The Cowboys are trolling for deals like the 2019 Robert Quinn trade where they'll get more from the comp pick than they gave for him.

Their other angle is to find a player that wants away from the other team enough that he'll sign a well below market value deal if they trade for him.

They'll keep doing it every year and some years they'll get a Quinn or possibly better type deal.

The Stephen Jones strategy is to play the long game and be ready when opportunity comes.

Jerry's strategy was more like "All In" in poker.

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-This original post was written to show how unlikely this was going to happen, more fantasy then anything else. They had no intention in trading him last season which is why they asked for a god father type of offer. As I stated in one of my responses, my highest offer would be a #1 and a day 3 pick. When we heard the rumor for Collins/Adams straight up I tried to look at it objectively and to me it made some sense.

-You are right about Adams not playing to his strengths in our new scheme, where we are going to employ two so called FS's to cover their half of the field. Coverage is paramount rather then be a force against the run. This isn't Adams game, as he is more like a linebacker. Jets fans compare him to the former Steeler safety Troy Polamanu, which is a good comparison, both were terrific inside the box.

-Take away the scheme, how much better would Adams make this defense? I don't think their just one player away. Positional value for the Strong Safety position is extremely low, especially when this team is paying top dollar to another low position at RB.

-Front Office has treated the safety position like the 1 Tech DT for many years. I believe outside of Roy Williams years ago, they haven't used a premium pick at the position. Wilcox was probably the highest in rd 3. Not saying they should invest in a SS in rd 1, but if a good FS comes available, they need to hand in the card within the first two days of the draft. We have seen the top safeties come off the board within the top 50.