Comparing Zeke to HOF RBs

gjkoeppen said:

When or IF you ever grow up then I will discuss things with you, but until then you're just a childish user that their whole regiment of replies is calling others names.
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Super_Kazuya said:

Boy you’re going to keep rolling with that logical fallacy aren’t you, troll? Do you even know what a logical fallacy is, did they teach that in school in the 1930s? Why don’t you point me to just one of the legion of sportswriters who think that Emmitt was so amazing after 1996... we can deal with the logical fallacy later.

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gjkoeppen said:

The point has never been about articles that say Emmitt was good because to EVERYONE that was a given. The point is you, me or anyone else isn't going to find articles that say that Emmitt wasn't any good after 1996. That is a false idea that only you have. Again how does a RB that wasn't any good after 1996 manage to gain more than half of the yards he gain to become the NFL all time leading rusher. Attacking me doesn't prove your OPINION is right OR supported by NFL experts and historians. But if attacking me makes you think you're right than you live in your fairy tale world and believe that.
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gjkoeppen said:

You still have a reading and/or comprehension problem. I didn't say you crowned yourself, I was poking fun at you because you think that you are never wrong so I said there was a big ceremony where the Ultimate NFL expert crowned you as the now know all never wrong ultimate expert with scores of dignitaries and celebrities to cheer your name as a crown was placed on your head
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aria said:

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How many RB’s faced 8 man boxes more than Zeke last year?
Answer: 26 That would be TWENTY SIX (he faced them almost 1/3rd more his rookie year)
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Tussinman said:

Gore will easily get in (these people who are saying he's not hall of fame have zero idea what there talking about).

7 of the top 8 RBs in yards made hall of fame 1st attempt/ballot and the one who didn't make first ballot only waited 4 years . Gore is 3rd all time and literally just made the all decade team in April......... (Yeah the committee is 100% going to keep an all-decade team 3rd all time yardage RB out of Canton )

People complain that he wasn't flashy. Not being flashy doesn't mean he isn't hall of fame, it means he might have to wait 3 years to get in tops.......

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Williamsboys said:

I may be wrong but I dont see Zeke having a really long career, money sometimes takes the place of incentive..I really hope I'm wrong.

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aria said:

and over rated and over paid and a diva and a punk and an entitled spoiled brat.

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gjkoeppen said:

You still have a reading and/or comprehension problem. I didn't say you crowned yourself, I was poking fun at you because you think that you are never wrong so I said there was a big ceremony where the Ultimate NFL expert crowned you as the now know all never wrong ultimate expert with scores of dignitaries and celebrities to cheer your name as a crown was placed on your head
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aria said:

Do you have any stats to back this up or am I supposed to take your word for it? Let’s play a game, I’ll ask a question to myself and answer it, I just want you to pay attention.

Just to get this out of the way so no one can claim he always faces more stacked boxes than everyone else.

How many RB’s faced 8 man boxes more than Zeke last year?
Answer: 26 That would be TWENTY SIX (he faced them almost 1/3rd more his rookie year)

Where was the ewok ranked for broken tackles last year?
Answer: 28th That’s TWENTY EIGHTH

Where did ezekiel rank for yards after contact last year?
Answer: 20th (4th his rookie year)

Where did zeke rank for break away run rate last year?
Answer: 39th

Where was zeke ranked for elusiveness last year?
Answer: 22nd

How many 20+ yard runs did zeke have last year?
Answer: 4 (16 his rookie year)

Now please tell me how you can support your claim that he is good at everything I mentioned which included elusiveness, broken tackles, yards after contact and short yard situations which I’ve already posted the link for about 3 times in this thread that shows he’s not even top 10 in most short yard situations?

I understand you said not last year but his numbers have been consistently trending down since his rookie year, as do most RB’s which is why you don’t give them fat contracts, so logically we should use last year as the current measuring stick. He could possibly get better but every year he’s become worse and there’s little reason to think that even if he does improve that it will be that much better than last year which was below average in almost every case. He also faced less stacked boxes last year then anytime in his career.

Mind you, that was with the SECOND best run blocking line in the league. It would be hilarious and eye opening for some of you to see how good he really is playing behind O lines the likes of the Jets, Giants, Steelers, even mediocre Philthy or the Rams. Dollars to donuts that guy would pout like the little baby he is, and possibly even quit like he did in Denver, if he had to run behind those lines.

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gjkoeppen said:

Here's something that you failed to mention about the HOF'ers you listed. None of them had a 6 game suspension. Supposedly off the field actions are not to be considered for entrance into the HOF but suspensions are. Also how many of those other players had rushing yards per season continue to get smaller and smaller each season 6 years before turning 30. Elliott had a great rookie season in 2016 with 1631 yards but since then in 2017 a 6 game suspension, in 2018 he had 1434 yards and in 2019 he had 1357. Started at 1631 yards and now at 1357 yards. That's a downward slide. Now Elliott is still young enough to turn things around but so far based on what Elliott has done the HOF is not a real possibility.
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Praxit said:

...have to agree as well. Might be done by 30. All that cotton kandy will catch up with him. ..

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buybuydandavis said:

I'm arguing he *shouldn't*. Shouldn't have been on the All Decade Team either.

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buybuydandavis said:

Durable, but just not great. I wouldn't pass out gold jackets for just being durable.

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Tussinman said:

Heavily disagree. They let 5 runningbacks in and he got 3rd in the voting. It's not like he controversally took the 5th and final spot. Not only that his decade was on par with Jamal Lewis who was on the previous decades team (this wasn't a random selection, people with his stats and accolades have made all decade team).

That's an arrogant way to look at it. Durable isn't everything but it can EASILY get you over the hump for those on the fringe. 5 pro bowls, 2nd team all-pro, and all-decade team just on paper is 80-85% of the way to HOF just on that. Gore has durability and solid accolades, he's not a Matthew Stafford who ONLY has durability

Longevity can easily give you the extra boost you need when your on the cusp. Hell just look at cowboys own Tony romo. He's in the "hall of very good" talk BECAUSE he wasn't durable..........

If Tony Romo had 1 more pro bowl and over 60,000 yards (aka Gore level length and Gore level accolades) then Romo would easily be hall of fame. Durability isn't everything but don't kid yourself, it drastically helps for positions like WR, RB, DE, and QB

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aria said:

I stand corrected, I apologize for misreading how I would be crowned. So we can still at least agree that someone crowning themselves (see my avatar ) is a dbag move? I’d like your answer so I know whether to uncrown myself or not. I know you don’t like me, I just don’t want it to because I crowned myself.

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kskboys said:

Zeke was very hohum last season. Did you read what I wrote? Everything you wrote sounds like you're arguing w/ someone else.

And you just proved my assertion that he can do it, but prolly won't. His rook year, he was elusive, powerful, had great burst, and was a beast at short yardage. It was actually quite obvious, I have no idea why you think you need a stat to prove it.

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