Dak has made $2,723,393 salary for his first 4 years

CowboyoWales said:

Assuming you mean under and referring to 2021 and Dak getting Franchise Tag yea we're about $10m under.

So how do we replace - at least 1 LB, 2 Safeties, a DE and a CB. …..and that's with all of our 2020 drafts panning out.

That's not including possibly a Centre

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With the existing salary we’re already paying the player you want to replace. How do you think

CowboyoWales said:

Assuming you mean under and referring to 2021 and Dak getting Franchise Tag yea we're about $10m under.

So how do we replace - at least 1 LB, 2 Safeties, a DE and a CB. …..and that's with all of our 2020 drafts panning out.

That's not including possibly a Centre

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I’ve been a cowboy fan for like 58 years. I’ve never seen the salary cap be an issue. Even when It first took place it Wasn’t an issue. And now we are the best cap Room we ever had in quite a long time. So I don’t suspect it’ll be an issue now.

OmerV said:

lol - no, the previous deal matters a lot because it meant the Eagles didn't have to deal with Wentz at all at that point, and even if they didn't negotiate at that time they still had Wentz for 2 more years. That's huge.

As for Dak not being entitled to something more than Wentz because he got less on his rookie contract, I agree completely, but I didn't say that he was. You didn't understand my point. Read it again.

What I think you are missing is that Wentz is still getting the money on his rookie contract. The extension didn't wipe that out - the extension money is in addition to the rookie contract money. Accordingly, the money under the extension is for the extension.

Read this - I have provided a link, and a quote from that article that explains the value of the extension (4 years/$128 million/$107 million guaranteed), and what the value is over 6 years ($154 million). The discrepancy is because the 4 years/$128 million/$107 million guaranteed is for the 4 years, and the remainder is for the remaining money under his rookie deal

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...4-year-contract-extension-through-2024-season


Carson Wentz, Eagles Agree to Historic 4-Year Contract Worth Reported $128M

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the deal is worth $128 million, including over $107 million guaranteed. His contract is now valued at $154 million total over the next six years. Schefter noted the guaranteed total is the largest ever in the NFL, topping Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson's extension in April.

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For starters, that was a first report of his contract totals. Field Yates, who knows a lot about contracts and is plugged in with regards to this stuff, later noted that the total contract is overstated a bit because there are escalators in the deal that Wentz likely won't hit. In fact, Spotrac notes this as well under their details for Wentz.

2021 base salary is $3.9M, with an $11.5M not likely to be earned escalator built in

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Yates pegged the total real dollars to around $137MM when all is said and done. And I am not missing anything about his rookie contract. If you had read my posts you'd see I specifically talked about his rookie deal, what happened to the money he was supposed to get under the rookie deal, etc. They basically rolled his guaranteed base salary in 2020 into his signing bonus and 2020 roster bonus. So again, you are simply proving my point that this was more than just an extension, it was basically a new 6 year deal where they restructured and rolled in his rookie monies and then tacked on four years.

This came from the local NBC Philadelphia report on his contract after the ink had dried on his contract:

Combining the six years of base salaries at $63.503 million, the $30 million option bonus, the roster bonuses at a combined $28.1 million, and the signing bonus of $16,367,683, the deal has a total value of $137,970,683, or about $23 million per year over the full six years.

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Here’s the year-to-year breakdown, per Yates ...

Signing bonus: $16,367,683

Incentives/escalators: $16 million

2019: $720,000 base salary

2020: $1.383 million base salary, $8 million roster bonus

2021: $3.9 million base salary, $10 million roster bonus

2022: $18.5 million base salary, $1,000 roster bonus

2023: $18 million base salary, $5 million roster bonus

2024: $21 million base salary, $5 million roster bonus

The Eagles, per Yates, also have until the 10th day of the 2020 league year to exercise a $30 million option for that season. If they do (which is all but a certainty) it will convert to base salary and Wentz will make $31.83 million in 2020.

One of the more interesting aspects of this reported structure is the reduced cap hit in 2021, when the “extension” technically kicks in. Without knowing how the hit of the signing bonus will be stretched out, it looks like 2021 will be the smallest cap hit over the course of the contract.

Also: Outside of 2020, Wentz’s cap hit, as the contract is currently structured, won’t actually exceed $30 million, which is a boon for the Eagles’ cap sheet.

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Spotrac and Over the Cap are inflating his numbers as they show cap hits in excess of $30MM for a few years. Yates reporting would indicate they are likely over stating his base salaries (largely going back to those escalators even noted by Spotrac that he likely won't hit). The initial reporting was the extra $16MM or so were incentives but they apparently were escalators that were tied to injury guarantees, so if Wentz is healthy, he's likely not hitting those escalators.

The rookie contract money was basically expunged and replaced with new money. Again, under the old contract, Wentz was due a base, guaranteed salary of $23MM per the option language in 2020. The extension lowered his base salary to a guaranteed $1.3MM. Then they converted money into a bonus option that was then spread out over the last 5 years of the commitment (again showing why the Cowboys are right to ask for 5 years - to spread out the bonuses).

So going by this, Wentz likely can make $137MM over 6 years. Dak wants to be in that ballpark over 4 years.

Whirlwin said:

With the existing salary we’re already paying the player you want to replace. How do you think

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The 2020 is going to show about $10m, which hopefully we wont need to replace injuries.

I talking about 2021.

You've obviously got no interest in the CAP, maybe you should.

There aren't really any contracts we can restructure, especially as we'll probably end up cutting DLaw and Coops (after 2021).

ultron said:

That’s what Dak Prescott has made so far in the NFL. Even if he signs a 4yr/$36m per year contract - the Cowboys still got an insane bargain over an 8 year span!

That’s just my personal opinion.

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That is more than most people make in a lifetime, so excuse me for not feeling sorry for him. If he would have had a better college career, he would have been drafted higher and would have made more money.

Did he outperform his contract when Zeke was suspended for 6 games and they went Dak-friendly, by getting rid of Dez and didn’t have Cooper?

What does he have to show for it? 1 playoff win please, start the next DAK thread please.

Dak CHOSE to pay for pennies on his value last year. He was offered an extension that would have paid him 30+ million prior to the start of the season. He chose to roll the dice and so far, it hasn't paid off. The franchise tender pays him roughly what he could have made last year.

But who the heck cares? Its about winning not Dak's contract. If paying Dak 40 million per is going to make us super bowl contenders, then why not pay the man. I just don't beleive it does. Dak is as good as he's ever going to be and it hasn't been even close to enough to make this team a contender.

ultron said:

That’s what Dak Prescott has made so far in the NFL. Even if he signs a 4yr/$36m per year contract - the Cowboys still got an insane bargain over an 8 year span!

That’s just my personal opinion.

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And he has made over 50 mil just because he is the cowboys QB in endorsements!!! Yep Dak really suffered!

CowboyoWales said:

The 2020 is going to show about $10m, which hopefully we wont need to replace injuries.

I talking about 2021.

You've obviously got no interest in the CAP, maybe you should.

There aren't really any contracts we can restructure, especially as we'll probably end up cutting DLaw and Coops (after 2021).

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You’re right I have no interest in the salary cap. It’s never been an issue For this franchise. It’s just been an issue for the fans

Polkton31 said:

Didn't call them poor dears. Your words, not mine. And what does getting a street job have to do with it? When I said risk, I didn't mean a torn ligament. If you don't believe there is "Very Serious" risk involved in Professional Football... Research Johnny Knox, Darryl Stingley, Dennis Byrd, Mike Utley, or Ryan Shazier just to name a few.

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Well I never said you called them "poor dears". Why are you arguing that? I called them "poor dears". They were indeed ..MY WORDS!

I also never said there was no risk.....why are you arguing that?

I don't get people arguing against stuff that was never said. They have to make stuff up in their head...just to argue? Weird.

Now...what I DID say...is it's a choice. I don;t want anyone to get injured...but I know it can be a dangerous sport...and so do they.

If you don't want the risk.....then be a lab technician, nurse, lawyer, store manager.

CowboyoWales said:

What do you mean excuse... if you haven't got it you cant give it.

You need to look at the next couple of years.

We cant even dumpster dive for two years.....I seriously doubt we could even offer Dak the Franchise Tag in 2021.

Don't keep that head in the sand.

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So...what do you intend to do about it? Certainly complaining on the internet will take care of it!

jsb357 said:

Dak want's NE job.

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Lol...good luck with that...Belichick would only pay what Dak wants when hell freezes over.

Cowboy Lover said:

Well I never said you called them "poor dears". Why are you arguing that? I called them "poor dears". They were indeed ..MY WORDS!

I also never said there was no risk.....why are you arguing that?

I don't get people arguing against stuff that was never said. They have to make stuff up in their head...just to argue? Weird.

Now...what I DID say...is it's a choice. I don;t want anyone to get injured...but I know it can be a dangerous sport...and so do they.

If you don't want the risk.....then be a lab technician, nurse, lawyer, store manager.

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If asking a question, or stating a fact is your idea of arguing, then I guess your idea of arguing and my idea of arguing are in different universes. I was simply responding to your response to my post. If you didn't want me to respond to your response, maybe you shouldn't have responded to mine to begin with. Also... I went back and re-read your response... I must have missed the part I highlighted in red.

Sydla said:

For starters, that was a first report of his contract totals. Field Yates, who knows a lot about contracts and is plugged in with regards to this stuff, later noted that the total contract is overstated a bit because there are escalators in the deal that Wentz likely won't hit. In fact, Spotrac notes this as well under their details for Wentz.



Yates pegged the total real dollars to around $137MM when all is said and done. And I am not missing anything about his rookie contract. If you had read my posts you'd see I specifically talked about his rookie deal, what happened to the money he was supposed to get under the rookie deal, etc. They basically rolled his guaranteed base salary in 2020 into his signing bonus and 2020 roster bonus. So again, you are simply proving my point that this was more than just an extension, it was basically a new 6 year deal where they restructured and rolled in his rookie monies and then tacked on four years.

This came from the local NBC Philadelphia report on his contract after the ink had dried on his contract:



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Spotrac and Over the Cap are inflating his numbers as they show cap hits in excess of $30MM for a few years. Yates reporting would indicate they are likely over stating his base salaries (largely going back to those escalators even noted by Spotrac that he likely won't hit). The initial reporting was the extra $16MM or so were incentives but they apparently were escalators that were tied to injury guarantees, so if Wentz is healthy, he's likely not hitting those escalators.

The rookie contract money was basically expunged and replaced with new money. Again, under the old contract, Wentz was due a base, guaranteed salary of $23MM per the option language in 2020. The extension lowered his base salary to a guaranteed $1.3MM. Then they converted money into a bonus option that was then spread out over the last 5 years of the commitment (again showing why the Cowboys are right to ask for 5 years - to spread out the bonuses).

So going by this, Wentz likely can make $137MM over 6 years. Dak wants to be in that ballpark over 4 years.

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lol - do you not realize that even if $137 million is the right number, that's still more than the $128 million for the extension, meaning the $128 million is only for the 4 years and the overage is covering his rookie contract.

Severely underpaid based on the NFL QB salaries. However, I still wouldn't pay him $40M

OmerV said:

Again, you are confusing the payment plan with what is being paid for.

It’s pretty simple math - the team had 2 years of control, added 4 years, and that made 6. They didn’t pay big money to gain the 2 years of control they already had, they paid it for the 4 years they didn’t have. The ability to spread the cap hit over 6 years is just a benefit of getting the contract done before the previous contract expired, but that doesn’t change what they are paying for.

Again, what did Wentz commit to that he wasn’t already committed to? 4 years.

And the funny thing you are missing is that It’s not all in Dak’s favor because with Wentz and the Eagles agreeIng to terms before Wentz rookie contract expired, Wentz didn’t have to wait until his rookie contract expired to get signing bonus money. Dak, on the other hand, didn’t get that. He had to wait until his rookie contract expired to get any money above his rookie contract.

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But we are talking about how the money is structured—the payment plan. Aria’s point was that Dak wants what Wentz got on a 5/6 year payment plan within a 4-year payment plan. He is talking about how the money works and you want to talk about contract years.

Iago33 said:

But we are talking about how the money is structured—the payment plan. Aria’s point was that Dak wants what Wentz got on a 5/6 year payment plan within a 4-year payment plan. He is talking about how the money works and you want to talk about contract years.

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No, we were talking about what the Eagles paid for. I doubt very much that Dak would care if the money were structured to be paid out over 5-6 years as long as the money was for a 4 year commitment. The Cowboys just don't have the same kind of flexibility the Eagles did though because Dak's contract has expired, and Wentz's contract still had a couple of years remaining. That allowed the Eagles to pay some of the extension money prior to the extension actually kicking in.

Cowboy Lover said:

So...what do you intend to do about it? Certainly complaining on the internet will take care of it!

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I believe you can offer the franchise tag twice. I wanted to tell the other person but I couldn’t find where he said it

Whirlwin said:

I believe you can offer the franchise tag twice. I wanted to tell the other person but I couldn’t find where he said it

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Well...I kinda meant....what can we do HERE? Ultimately...nothing. It is what it will be why worry about it? It's meaningless banter.