The TE position, OJ Howard. other options

CowboysFaninHouston said:

I never said he was great....and he hasn't been great, but he is better than any of our current TEs. he is better than Jarwin and is a better blocker than jarwin. so having Howards, will only improve the position. I didn't say give up a 1st, 2nd or 3rd or even a 4th...I said a low round pick, 5th at most...at most.....reluctantly, 6th more likable.....what are you going to get with a 5th or 6th round pick? or a player that's 4th or 5th in our depth chart...for a guy that will be 2nd in our depth chart...I am not sold on Jarwin….everyone loves him because of his play against the Giants....outside of Giants he has been very meh.....he is not a good blocker at all and he benefited from playing against back up LBs and safeties...as a starter, he won't have that benefit......

so its not that hard to see how we would improve adding howard..

and btw, gronk signing has to do more with Brady...and gronk is gronk. if healthy, he is very elite.....

sorry, you are close minded on this.....

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OmerV said:

lol - this cracks me up, and further solidifies how you post without any knowledge of what you are talking about. Yes, Cook was involved in that play, and it hurt the Cowboys, but he was not the Kelce type TE you are talking about being necessary. In fact, that season where Cook made that play he only had 377 yards and 1 TD.

As for betting Cook would have been with the Cowboys if McCarthy was here last year, Cook only played for McCarthy one season, so McCarthy doesn't have the history with Cook you apparently think. Apparently the fact you saw that one catch has convinced you that Cook has proven more than he has.

But even if you want to stick with that narrative, explain this ...

Cook's 1st 2 years in the NFL he had a total of 430 yards and 1 TD
Jarwin 1st two years in the NFL he had 672 yards and 6 TD's.

So, how is Jarwin hopeless, but Cook became the stud you imagine him to be with such a mundane start?

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OmerV said:

lol - this cracks me up, and further solidifies how you post without any knowledge of what you are talking about. Yes, Cook was involved in that play, and it hurt the Cowboys, but he was not the Kelce type TE you are talking about being necessary. In fact, that season where Cook made that play he only had 377 yards and 1 TD.

As for betting Cook would have been with the Cowboys if McCarthy was here last year, Cook only played for McCarthy one season, so McCarthy doesn't have the history with Cook you apparently think. Apparently the fact you saw that one catch has convinced you that Cook has proven more than he has.

But even if you want to stick with that narrative, explain this ...

Cook's 1st 2 years in the NFL he had a total of 430 yards and 1 TD
Jarwin 1st two years in the NFL he had 672 yards and 6 TD's.

So, how is Jarwin hopeless, but Cook became the stud you imagine him to be with such a mundane start?

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gjkoeppen said:

Actually that NOT what you said and I'll quote you "so is he available. can we go after him. what will it take. having Howard who doesn't have great stats, but good and can be a decent blocker and decent receiver with some speed added to the TEs would only make that position into a strength and de-risk Jarwin being the primary and right now the only viable TE on the roster.."

You didn't say a word about a 5th or 6th round pick. Now admittedly you didn't say any draft pick but giving up ANY draft pick for a TE that who's strength is blocking, who got a few more yards receiving as a starter than Jarwin who wasn't a starter, who is not going to push Jarwin out as the starter. You may not like Jarwin but I haven't heard or read a word that the Cowboys don't like Jarwin considering they just signed him to a new 4 year deal. Then your idiotic statement that when Jarwin was in he was covered by backups. Ya the defensive coordinators as soon as Jarwin came in yelled, backups get in there Jarwin just came in. Howard lost his starting job to a TE who was really good but is coming out of retirement and Howard wasn't that good to start out with so wasting anything to trade for is wasting whatever that is.
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CowboysFaninHouston said:

sorry I missed to say that in the thread, but there has been several other thread on Howard in the past, and that's been my suggestion, a 5th, 6th or a player swap.....not willing to go higher than that....

and Howard's strength is not blocking, but at least he can block...and he has had much better stats than Jarwin and according to you he was relegated to be behind other TEs...

if he has had a better output than jarwin, on a lesser team, with a lesser QB, as a back up TE...then perhaps he will do better, with better supporting cast...probably much better than Jarwin….

and yes, Jarwin is a nobody TE right now....he was a back up TE to old Jason Witten!!!! and like I said, outside of the giants game he has been very very meh!....and when the back up TE is in the game, who has shown he is not overly capable, you don't put your best defensive players on him and you don't scheme to stop him....so I think you need to brush up on how football works...

howard lost his starting job, I never said he was great, but he is better than what we have!!! and that's the sad state of affairs....like you said it yourself...his stats are better than jarwin!!!! on a worse team than the cowboys....yet you are selling jarwin!!! seriously dude, put the bong away!!!

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CowboysExchange said:

One changed the outcome of a playoff game and a season. One has good deep ball and 50/50 ball skills and one is a checkdowner.

I listen very closely on the radio and I watch the highlights and Im a statistics guru. You skew the story cuz you dont think its important to score. Just receptions and blocking. Lmao. Raise your standards and quit making excuses.

I will watch some matchups. But the minute they leave that te out there on every passing snap and in the 12 formation passing the ball Its all radioball to me.

There are hundreds of great wrs and rbs and maybe 20ish great tes with the skillsets. and several that have the skillset but arent consistent. But its the deep ball and 50/50 ballers and scoring tes that have the winning DNA.
Our Tes have 1 playoff td in 15 years. Lmao. Our te core doesnt have any dominant receiving traits or skills.

Witten was 50 x better than Jarwin and i will put up my truck versus a cup of Coffee he doesnt score a playoff td in his career

I BEGGED THIS FORUM TO GET JARED COOK FOR 5-6 WEEKS. HE WAS BREAKING OUT AND HAD THE SKILLSETS. THOSE CHECKDOWNERS CANT SCORE OR WIN GAMES. NAME ME ONE TIME THEY WON A GAME ON A HIGHLIGHT REEL. NOT A BUNCH OF SLKEWED 8-8 BLOWOUT GAMES LMAO. THESE TES SUCK BRO AND ?6 YRS LATER YOURE STILL MAKING EXCUSES. LMAO. SHOW ME THE MONEY. I CAN BREAK DOWN THOSE STATS MINUS THE 2 GIANTS GAMES. LMAO

HE CAUGHT 3 UNCONTESTED TDS AGAINST THE GIANTS IN ONE GAME. IF I REMEBER CORRECTLY BEASELY WON THE GAME ON A HEROIC LAST SECOND CATCH. LOL.

YOULL EAT CROW EVERY GAME UNTIL A TE DOES SOMETHING GAMECHANGING. LOL. MAYBE THE TES WILL ALL CATCH THE FLU ONE WEEK AND THEY WILL LINE UP WITH SOME DUAL RB OR DUAL SLOT WR SETS WITH A DURABLE RUNNING QB

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tyke1doe said:

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. So we have to get the ball to Zeke, Pollard, Cooper, Gallup and Lamb. And then if we trade for Howard, he's going to expect us to utilize his pass-catching skills too. Nah, Jarwin is good. He knows his role and is happy to simply be playing. We don't need another highly drafted player whining because he doesn't get the ball. Granted, I was high on Howard coming out of Alabama. But we don't need him because he won't get the ball that much, and I doubt he wants to go to another team that under-utilizes his skills.

Pass … but not to Howard.

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CowboysExchange said:

There should be plenty of balls to go around. Witten caught balls, cobb caught balls. Jarwin caught balls. Plus we couldnt score against good teams and went 8-8.

The only winner in the bunch was Cobb. Lol. Witten had 1 td in like his last 14 games and Jarwin went 8 straight games down the stretch.

Thats why we went 8-8 and No playoffs. Our red zone offense dominated by 2 tes suck and came up empty handed. Theirs no balls to go around because they cant go up and get a ball or beat a good defender. Lmao.

Set your te standards higher. Go get an alpha dog

Everydown players are Gamechangers not these scrubs. Nobody is gonna win with an ignorant gameplan like ours has been. Not w this talent level at te.

They only affect our losing and never win beans.

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tyke1doe said:

With all due respect, Witten wasn't expecting many balls to come to him. Cobb was so satisfied with his production, he left for Houston, even though his former coach was coming to Dallas.
I think Howard is going to be expecting more balls than Witten. And we're going to be getting the ball to Lamb more than we did Cobb. And with Pollard in his second year, he's going to want to see the ball more.
I don't see how Howard would be satisfied here given all the weapons we have. He would seem like the odd man out.

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

OMG, a non-Dak thread...how could that be (or did I just make it a Dak thread LOL)….

although most are elated that Witten is gone (I didn't think he was as bad as everyone made him to be, but clearly wasn't the answer), knowing that the team had been looking for his replacement for years. most are excited about Jarwin, and projecting based on fantasy football, etc. for him to get first team reps and just double/triple his out put (half joking)….Jarwin is still green and his game leaves a lot to be desired and we just don't know how he will do as a full time starter, where he doesn't have to line up every down, block and he didn't have to deal with primary defenders and was an after thought on offense and often played against weaker defenders and only succeeded in certain plays......

although we have CD, Coop and Gallup. zeke and pollard, the TE position is lacking both in starter and back up....we signed a FA TE who is primarily a blocker (so his use is predictable).

there was talk about OJ Howard, with Tampa having signed Gronk and paid Brate, Howard maybe the forgotten man. so is he available. can we go after him. what will it take. having Howard who doesn't have great stats, but good and can be a decent blocker and decent receiver with some speed added to the TEs would only make that position into a strength and de-risk Jarwin being the primary and right now the only viable TE on the roster...

so would it be a bad trade sending Lewis to Tampa for Howard? they have a need at CB and we have a need at TE....win win?

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CowboysExchange said:

Will Lamb be an Everydown player or will Jarwin? Because Beasely never got that? This team has always treated the slot wr like a red headed stepchild while the te get privelege but no winning Attributes. Average receivers just dont play all of those passing snaps unless their winning games for ya.

Leave that checkdown te on the bench if he cant score for 8 Straight Games. There is no accountability for a tes snaps on our team in 10 years. Jared Cook woulda been a great addition. He showed his skillset on that catch that sealed our Fate. It was alot more than our guys could ever dream of doing.

Guys going from grass to turf with a stud qb and coming off a breakout on grass for a raiders team. He wasnt even that expensive. Thats what is so sad. We hope and pray at te every year and just need to pay one for goodness sakes.

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tyke1doe said:

I think Lamb gets more touches than Beasley.
When the owner and GM strongly suggests you wear "88," you're going to get your share of balls.

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CowboysExchange said:

Will Lamb be an Everydown player or will Jarwin? Because Beasely never got that? This team has always treated the slot wr like a red headed stepchild while the te get privelege but no winning Attributes. Average receivers just dont play all of those passing snaps unless their winning games for ya.

Leave that checkdown te on the bench if he cant score for 8 Straight Games. There is no accountability for a tes snaps on our team in 10 years. Jared Cook woulda been a great addition. He showed his skillset on that catch that sealed our Fate. It was alot more than our guys could ever dream of doing.

Guys going from grass to turf with a stud qb and coming off a breakout on grass for a raiders team. He wasnt even that expensive. Thats what is so sad. We hope and pray at te every year and just need to pay one for goodness sakes.

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

OMG, a non-Dak thread...how could that be (or did I just make it a Dak thread LOL)….

although most are elated that Witten is gone (I didn't think he was as bad as everyone made him to be, but clearly wasn't the answer), knowing that the team had been looking for his replacement for years. most are excited about Jarwin, and projecting based on fantasy football, etc. for him to get first team reps and just double/triple his out put (half joking)….Jarwin is still green and his game leaves a lot to be desired and we just don't know how he will do as a full time starter, where he doesn't have to line up every down, block and he didn't have to deal with primary defenders and was an after thought on offense and often played against weaker defenders and only succeeded in certain plays......

although we have CD, Coop and Gallup. zeke and pollard, the TE position is lacking both in starter and back up....we signed a FA TE who is primarily a blocker (so his use is predictable).

there was talk about OJ Howard, with Tampa having signed Gronk and paid Brate, Howard maybe the forgotten man. so is he available. can we go after him. what will it take. having Howard who doesn't have great stats, but good and can be a decent blocker and decent receiver with some speed added to the TEs would only make that position into a strength and de-risk Jarwin being the primary and right now the only viable TE on the roster...

so would it be a bad trade sending Lewis to Tampa for Howard? they have a need at CB and we have a need at TE....win win?

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