Clowney reportedly interested in Saints and Cowboys

Kaiser · Jun 28, 2020

kskboys said:
No, they are not rumors. If you weren't lazy you could easily look them up. However, since it would disprove what you're saying, I'm sure you're avoiding doing so.

It's only logical if you have an understanding of NFL football.

I understand that tweets saying "he reportedly was offered X" are usually an agent leaking rumors to drive up the price or increase interest.

I understand you have no first hand knowledge.

I understand that only one of us is stupid.

kskboys · Jun 28, 2020

Kaiser said:
I understand that tweets saying "he reportedly was offered X" are usually an agent leaking rumors to drive up the price or increase interest.

I understand you have no first hand knowledge.

I understand that only one of us is stupid.

I understand that the need to throw 3rd grade insults results from a childish mentality!!!!

Not to mention the propensity to simply deny all facts that disagree w/ a thought.

coach steele · Jun 28, 2020

Whoa dudes... Clowney is a good player, not great. He would help this team but we aren’t signing him unless the price is reasonable.

He doesn’t suck. No use in being so dichotomous or using insults with one another. We still root for the same team. No one on this site is a complete expert or football God. Now let’s be reasonable with one another.

joseephuss · Jun 28, 2020

BAT said:
Not a very well thought out premise.

Reggie White
Deion Sanders
Simeon Rice
Rod Woodson
Kenny Norton
Alvin Harper
Mark Stepnoski
Kevin Mawae
Curtis Martin
LaRoi Glover
Javon Kearse
Charles Woodson
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
DeMarcus Ware

And that's just off the top of my head.

Alvin Harper being on that lists made me laugh. He was a good complimentary player, but not an elite player.

joseephuss · Jun 28, 2020

kskboys said:
Man, you guys really need to pay more attention to the NFL!!!!!! I really thought everyone knew this stuff.

Oh, and not one of the best. One of the most disruptive.

What Clowney really needs is some hard coaching.

Everyone knew what? I don't make sense of anything you said. If he is what some people think of him he would be on a team already.

Bowdown27 · Jun 28, 2020

Cowboys supposedly won’t go higher than 9 million for him. That more than half what he wanted. I think if camp happens and someone gets hurt some team will pony up 13-15 million possibly

Kaiser · Jun 28, 2020

kskboys said:
I understand that the need to throw 3rd grade insults results from a childish mentality!!!!

Not to mention the propensity to simply deny all facts that disagree w/ a thought.

In your last post prior to this pantywadding, you called me lazy, dishonest, illogical and ignorant.

Complaining now is...... stupid.

Kaiser · Jun 28, 2020

Bowdown27 said:
Cowboys supposedly won’t go higher than 9 million for him. That more than half what he wanted. I think if camp happens and someone gets hurt some team will pony up 13-15 million possibly

I could see that, but most teams have already allotted their salary cap dollars. That scenario would have to line up with a team that had the need and the dollars to spend. Also the teams with the most cap space available are the bad teams like the Browns, Commanders and Dolphins where he might not want to play.

BAT · Jun 28, 2020

joseephuss said:
Alvin Harper being on that lists made me laugh. He was a good complimentary player, but not an elite player.

He was certainly paid like he was elite.

I guess others are more worthy like Bryce Paup or Kevin Greene.

But list was not bad off the cuff.

Stash · Jun 29, 2020

Bowdown27 said:
Cowboys supposedly won’t go higher than 9 million for him. That more than half what he wanted. I think if camp happens and someone gets hurt some team will pony up 13-15 million possibly

I'm curious as to what the team thinks they could handle salary-wise between a potential trade for Adams or the signing of a guy like Clowney for one year? I'd have to think that they would prefer acquiring Adams long term. He's a young, established player who you would be getting for the long term vs a one-year deal for Clowney to get paid elsewhere next year.

Another consideration are the unknowns that still exist regarding the upcoming season. Is this the year to 'go for broke' and push all your chips to the middle of the table?

Bowdown27 · Jun 29, 2020

stasheroo said:
I'm curious as to what the team thinks they could handle salary-wise between a potential trade for Adams or the signing of a guy like Clowney for one year? I'd have to think that they would prefer acquiring Adams long term. He's a young, established player who you would be getting for the long term vs a one-year deal for Clowney to get paid elsewhere next year.

Another consideration are the unknowns that still exist regarding the upcoming season. Is this the year to 'go for broke' and push all your chips to the middle of the table?

And give McCarthy all this ammo in his first year ? Sky’s the limit then

Stash · Jun 29, 2020

Bowdown27 said:
And give McCarthy all this ammo in his first year ? Sky’s the limit then

I think it depends on four factors:

Confidence level in McCarthy and staff
Confidence level in a normal season happening
Confidence level in the talent that you have already
Confidence level in your current and future salary cap situation

If they feel good enough about those first four factors, maybe it does make sense to make the effort and taking the shot at going all in?

Bowdown27 · Jun 29, 2020

stasheroo said:
I think it depends on four factors:

Confidence level in McCarthy and staff

Confidence level in a normal season happening

Confidence level in the talent that you have already

Confidence level in your current and future salary cap situation

If they feel good enough about those first four factors, maybe it does make sense to make the effort and taking the shot at going all in?

You’re right. If they feel these are met. Why not give him added ammo if you can afford it after signing dak

OmerV · Jun 29, 2020

Walker said:
Like always on the injured list.

1 year out of 7? Crawford's pay is too high for his value, and that's a good reason for wanting to see him cut. This isn't.

fivetwos · Jun 29, 2020

stasheroo said:
I think it depends on four factors:

Confidence level in McCarthy and staff

Confidence level in a normal season happening

Confidence level in the talent that you have already

Confidence level in your current and future salary cap situation

If they feel good enough about those first four factors, maybe it does make sense to make the effort and taking the shot at going all in?

Not only for Jerry, I just dont think anyone is adding a player at 6-800k a game when they may be faced with paying the players full salaries and not collecting game day revenue.

Clowney and Griffen will likely need to wait to be signed until things clear up a bit.

Clowney would be a steal at even 1/10 IMO and I hope it happens.

If he busts, oh well. If he doesnt, we get a comp pick. Its win/win I think, but I like the guy better than most do. I dont find him to be much of a headache. He wants to win and that's what I want.

I'm not at all sold on some of our name players feeling the same way. Then again, when your leader is a robot, its easy to tune things out.

xwalker · Jun 29, 2020

kskboys said:
No, Kaiser, it's not.

And not correct. SEA offered a multi year deal around 15-16 mil/season.

You simply have your facts completely wrong here.

He was also offered a big contract by CLEV, and I think it was multi year also.

Clowney has not signed because he wants more than he's worth. No other reason. Your conjecture is way off base.

Are those offers fact?

https://nypost.com/2020/05/27/free-agent-jadeveon-clowney-spurned-richest-offer-from-browns/
"The No. 1 overall pick in the 2014 NFL Draft has reportedly rejected a significant offer from the Browns, who have been “the most aggressive team with him financially” and have “offered the most money to date,” according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter."

Tussinman · Jun 29, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
We already have waaaay too many Defensive Ends on the roster.......and only $11 million left in the kitty.

agreed. Clowney picked two teams that most likely aren't interested in him

Saints have cam Jordan who made the all decade team and Davenport who's a stud first-round talent that's playing on an affordable rookie deal.

Cowboys like you said don't have a lot of money, already have a good amount of defensive ends on the roster, and are going through a coaching change

xwalker · Jun 29, 2020

OmerV said:
1 year out of 7? Crawford's pay is too high for his value, and that's a good reason for wanting to see him cut. This isn't.

It's weird how people obsess about Crawford's pay.

If they find a better option then I'm OK with cutting Crawford but they have not been able to do that as of yet.

John813 · Jun 29, 2020

I never would of expected Clowney to be a FA at this point. I found the 20+mil wants by him unreasonable, but, still thought they could of landed a nice long term deal before april.

xwalker · Jun 29, 2020

fivetwos said:
Not only for Jerry, I just dont think anyone is adding a player at 6-800k a game when they may be faced with paying the players full salaries and not collecting game day revenue.

Clowney and Griffen will likely need to wait to be signed until things clear up a bit.

Clowney would be a steal at even 1/10 IMO and I hope it happens.

If he busts, oh well. If he doesnt, we get a comp pick. Its win/win I think, but I like the guy better than most do. I dont find him to be much of a headache. He wants to win and that's what I want.

I'm not at all sold on some of our name players feeling the same way. Then again, when your leader is a robot, its easy to tune things out.

Sign him to a contract similar to the one they gave Greg Hardy.

Hardy's contract:
750K base salary (basically the veteran's minimum)
1.3M in workout bonuses
770K per game active

If Hardy was not active for any reason, he didn't get paid for that game.

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