The “refs are out to get us” evidence is actually thin

Boyzmamacita · Jun 29, 2020

Texas2Step41 said:

More of this, please. :lmao2:

Texas2Step41 · Jun 29, 2020

Boyzmamacita said:
More of this, please.

Red Dragon · Jun 30, 2020

xwalker said:
Agree.

I have zero doubts that they are pressured to keep the score close if possible.

I have been wondering about this. It used to be very common for Super Bowls to be lopsided blowouts. Niners routed Broncos 55-10, Commanders routed Broncos 42-10, Cowboys routed Bills 52-17, Ravens routed Giants 34-7, etc. Indeed, around twenty to forty years ago, close battles were quite rare in the Super Bowl.

But then....... around 2003 or so, almost every single Super Bowl has been a tightly contested battle in which going into the fourth quarter you couldn't tell who was going to win. The Patriots have won five of their Super Bowl titles by a one-score margin. They have lost all their recent Super Bowls by a one-score margin.

The only recent Super Bowl blowout was when the Seahawks waxed the Broncos 43-8. Almost every other recent SB was a nail biter.

And when one team pulled ahead, the other would invariably make a dramatic comeback. When the Packers led the Steelers 21-3 in SBXLV, Pittsburgh promptly closed the gap. When the Ravens led the Niners 28-3, the Niners promptly came back. When the Falcons led the Patriots 28-3......well, we all know what happened.

It does make you go hmmm.

MarcusRock · Jun 30, 2020

Mannix said:
NO WAY the Dez catch gets reversed if it were a GB Receiver....even if the game was in Arlington.

Maybe a GB receiver would have kept the ball off the ground as is required by the rule.

Tommy · Jun 30, 2020

I didn’t read any posts in this thread and maybe it was already mentioned but does anyone have those numbers that were posted here a few years ago of the number of roughing the passer calls in the 2nd half of games for Tony Romo in comparison to other quarterbacks?

I am not saying the refs are out to get us but that was the most unbelievable statistic I think I have ever seen.

MarcusRock · Jun 30, 2020

Boyzmamacita said:
More of this, please.

Nope. No offensive PI. At least make the catch if you work that hard though. Lol.

glimmerman · Jun 30, 2020

MarcusRock said:
Nope. No offensive PI. At least make the catch if you work that hard though. Lol.

That was a little push.

CalPolyTechnique · Jun 30, 2020

Red Dragon said:
I have been wondering about this. It used to be very common for Super Bowls to be lopsided blowouts. Niners routed Broncos 55-10, Commanders routed Broncos 42-10, Cowboys routed Bills 52-17, Ravens routed Giants 34-7, etc. Indeed, around twenty to forty years ago, close battles were quite rare in the Super Bowl.

But then....... around 2003 or so, almost every single Super Bowl has been a tightly contested battle in which going into the fourth quarter you couldn't tell who was going to win. The Patriots have won five of their Super Bowl titles by a one-score margin. They have lost all their recent Super Bowls by a one-score margin.

The only recent Super Bowl blowout was when the Seahawks waxed the Broncos 43-8. Almost every other recent SB was a nail biter.

And when one team pulled ahead, the other would invariably make a dramatic comeback. When the Packers led the Steelers 21-3 in SBXLV, Pittsburgh promptly closed the gap. When the Ravens led the Niners 28-3, the Niners promptly came back. When the Falcons led the Patriots 28-3......well, we all know what happened.

It does make you go hmmm.

I think the fact that presumably the best team from each conference playing each other has something to do with that.
The salary cap going into effect (1994) probably played a role in preventing dominant teams from keeping their squad intact.
The fact that there has been blowouts doesn’t fit the narrative unless you go down the conspirator rabbit hole of “of course they allow some blowouts so the fans don’t suspect something.”

MarcusRock · Jun 30, 2020

glimmerman said:
That was a little push.

Maybe Dallas was trailing and needed to catch up to make it a close game so the officials were like, "we didn't see nuthin' " Then they were like :facepalm:

when Cooper dropped it.

Texas2Step41 · Jun 30, 2020

MarcusRock said:
Nope. No offensive PI. At least make the catch if you work that hard though. Lol.

This is weak, you could have posted a 10 min comp vid of the playmaker at least

timb2 · Jun 30, 2020

Roger Goodell is a Giants fan. When a Cowboys player is suspended they will miss a Giants game.

Red Dragon · Jun 30, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
I think the fact that presumably the best team from each conference playing each other has something to do with that.

But that was always the case. The Super Bowl, by definition, is the NFC' best against the AFC's best.

Kaiser · Jun 30, 2020

timb2 said:
Roger Goodell is a Giants fan. When a Cowboys player is suspended they will miss a Giants game.

I would have to look up the exact timelines but Jerry said that Goodell assured him Zeke wouldn't be suspended, there was nothing to the situation, etc. After the season schedule was announced and the Cowboys were slotted to open against the Giants, the tune changed to Zeke getting a six game suspension.

Might be a coincidence, might not.

timb2 · Jun 30, 2020

Kaiser said:
I would have to look up the exact timelines but Jerry said that Goodell assured him Zeke wouldn't be suspended, there was nothing to the situation, etc. After the season schedule was announced and the Cowboys were slotted to open against the Giants, the tune changed to Zeke getting a six game suspension.

Might be a coincidence, might not.

When Zeke got suspended he was going to miss the 1st Giants game,he protested and lost and they suspended right when that 2nd Giants game came around. DeMarcus Lawrence, Randy Gregory. Same stuff.

McKDaddy · Jun 30, 2020

Kaiser said:
when Jerry challenged Goodell over Zeke's suspension and took money out of Goodell's paycheck, holding calls against opposing OL stopped for the eight or so weeks Goodell was fighting with Jerry

During that time, I remember someone posting the graphs showing that calls against our opponents were way outside the bell curve during that period. As in not remotely consistent with historical data.

Also, our Oline is certainly a top 5 unit over the last 4 or 5 years. Not saying you aren't going to commit penalties but you would expect less than the average penalties from an elite unit. I can certainly remember some that had me screaming at the tele.

pansophy · Jun 30, 2020

phildadon86 said:
While I don’t believe in a league wide conspiracy I don’t care what the penalty totals are. I care about when they are called. And it always seems we get hosed by a brutal penalty at a horrible time in the game.

That's just your brain's negativity bias playing tricks on you. You remember the bad call that happens at a key moment and forget the rest of them that didn't seem to matter.

Kaiser · Jun 30, 2020

McKDaddy said:
During that time, I remember someone posting the graphs showing that calls against our opponents were way outside the bell curve during that period. As in not remotely consistent with historical data.

Also, our Oline is certainly a top 5 unit over the last 4 or 5 years. Not saying you aren't going to commit penalties but you would expect less than the average penalties from an elite unit. I can certainly remember some that had me screaming at the tele.

That's exactly how DeMarcus Lawrence saw it, but he said so at the time. I can't remember any other issue where he blasted someone personally in public:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...nce-on-the-lack-of-holding-calls-f-them-refs/

Also PercyHoward ran the numbers and said that that kind of stretch without holding calls (which started when Jerry challenged Goodell's salary extension and ended the week that was resolved) had only happened twice in NFL history. I don't have a link to that exact post though.

CalPolyTechnique · Jun 30, 2020

pansophy said:
That's just your brain's negativity bias playing tricks on you. You remember the bad call that happens at a key moment and forget the rest of them that didn't seem to matter.

I’m sure our fans watch Tampa Bay games with the same emotional investment and intent as they do Cowboy games, lulz.

MarcusRock · Jun 30, 2020

Kaiser said:
That's exactly how DeMarcus Lawrence saw it, but he said so at the time. I can't remember any other issue where he blasted someone personally in public:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...nce-on-the-lack-of-holding-calls-f-them-refs/

Also PercyHoward ran the numbers and said that that kind of stretch without holding calls (which started when Jerry challenged Goodell's salary extension and ended the week that was resolved) had only happened twice in NFL history. I don't have a link to that exact post though.

Stop lying. This is the same thing I busted you on way back then, thus beginning your fanboi status. Percy said no such thing and when he was consulted he said that wasn't the case. The Detroit Lions had a similar stretch that very same year.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-am-sick-of-one-side-officiating.418118/page-13#post-8609949

MarcusRock · Jun 30, 2020

Kaiser said:
Also PercyHoward ran the numbers and said that that kind of stretch without holding calls (which started when Jerry challenged Goodell's salary extension and ended the week that was resolved) had only happened twice in NFL history. I don't have a link to that exact post though.

I have the link. And it showed you to be lying just like I accused you of 1 post earlier. If you have to LIE to peddle a CONSPIRACY! it's not a conspiracy.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/cav...owboys-are-hogwash.424145/page-9#post-8846947

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