PFF Ranks Top 5 Safety Combos; Cowboys Come In At 5th

StarBoyz83 · Jun 30, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Heath sucks. Ha Ha is a major upgrade.

Major lol no

StarBoyz83 · Jun 30, 2020

PJTHEDOORS said:
No way is Heath better.

Didn't say he was better just said its not really an upgrade. Same with the dts they signed. Might be a little upgrade but I dont expect a big difference.

armadillooutlaw · Jun 30, 2020

Eh, Woods and Dix are probably a middle of the pack set of Safeties.
Certainly better than the bottom-of-the-barrel pairings of the last 15 years.

Sydla · Jun 30, 2020

Ehhhhhh................

I think our safety play will be better from a passing perspective with Dix and Woods. But I do worry a bit about run support. Hopefully with upgrades at DT and LVE and Smith bounce back, we won't be needing the Ss to be big assets in the run game.

America's Cowboy · Jun 30, 2020

I don't know. Jeff Heath was pretty good for us at times.

xwalker · Jun 30, 2020

817Gill said:
5. HA HA CLINTON-DIX & XAVIER WOODS, DALLAS COWBOYS

“Both Clinton-Dix and Woods have earned top-20 coverage grades over the last two seasons, combining for a total of 34 turnovers during their brief NFL careers.

Both safeties have proven to be more than efficient when featured in a man-coverage scheme. Over the last two years, Clinton-Dix has the second-highest man-coverage grade (87.8) among the 31 qualifying safeties over that period, while Woods (70.2) ranks 17th. Together, they’ve allowed only 19 receptions from 31 targets in man coverage, giving up only 151 yards and a touchdown while coming away with six combined interceptions.

Clinton-Dix’s recent production has been somewhat overshadowed by his frequent moves and the lack of a long-term contract. But with a second-ranked man coverage grade (88.6) while aligned in the box and a 10th-ranked run-defense grade (79.7) when aligned as a slot-defender, Clinton-Dix has proved to be as versatile as any safety in the game.”

Here’s the fill BTB article, personally (though I wouldn’t say top 5), this should be one of the better S combos we’ve had in some time. Schematically are aren’t using a traditional SS so take that into account as well.

The bolded part is why some of y’all aren’t too excited about the pickup. But on the field, Haha is miles ahead of what we had in Heath.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pla...he-cowboys-already-have-a-top-5-safety-tandem

I've watched most Green Bay game this past decade and I always thought HaHa was a decent Safety; however, if he had been awesome recently they would not have been able to sign him for 4M.

Woods has been neither great or terrible.

Ranking them the 5th best seems like more dumb PFF rankings.

xwalker · Jun 30, 2020

John813 said:
So, would Haha, be better off closer to the LOS, based off those numbers, and play the role of the SS?

He played FS in Green Bay.

I think part of his limited success post GB was due to sometimes playing SS which is not where he is comfortable.

The new defensive scheme will use Quarters coverage as it's base coverage. That's a 2-deep alignment. It's probably a better fit for X.Woods and might be better for HaHa also.

Safeties in Quarters don't need great range like elite Free Safeties (i.e. Earl Thomas) and they don't need to be like small LBs to play as in-the-box Strong Safeties.

Quarters Safeties need to be good open field tacklers and have good short area quickness and man coverage ability. It's closer to playing CB than either a FS or SS in single-high schemes.

CowboyRoy · Jun 30, 2020

StarBoyz83 said:
Didn't say he was better just said its not really an upgrade. Same with the dts they signed. Might be a little upgrade but I dont expect a big difference.

watch and learn. Your assessments are uninformed.

CowboyRoy · Jun 30, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
I don't know. Jeff Heath was pretty good for us at times.

a few times in 4 years you mean?

America's Cowboy · Jun 30, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
a few times in 4 years you mean?

I have my doubts about Ha-Ha.

CalPolyTechnique · Jun 30, 2020

Whyjerry said:
PFF has zero credibility in my opinion. They have been posting some real silly stuff lately.

I swear they cater to each fanbase. Are you a Buffalo Bills fan? We got a stat showing your QB is the most accurate passer in the league with less than 3 minutes left in the 3rd Qtr.

Whyjerry · Jun 30, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
I swear they cater to each fanbase. Are you a Buffalo Bills fan? We got a stat showing your QB is the most accurate passer in the league with less than 3 minutes left in the 3rd Qtr.

Sam Darnold has the highest QB rating throwing into 10 mph wind in the second quarter of 1pm start time games in history.

12+88=7 · Jun 30, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
LOL...……..Dak and the offense sucks, but our safeties are just fine.

Classic blundering logic.

Never said the offense sucked, said they were inconsistent.

The article shows that with the players Dallas has on their current roster there is no reason to give away draft picks and a huge contract for Adam's. Plain and simple.

StarBoyz83 · Jun 30, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
watch and learn. Your assessments are uninformed.

Ya ok

Rockdoc · Jun 30, 2020

xwalker said:
He played FS in Green Bay.

I think part of his limited success post GB was due to sometimes playing SS which is not where he is comfortable.

The new defensive scheme will use Quarters coverage as it's base coverage. That's a 2-deep alignment. It's probably a better fit for X.Woods and might be better for HaHa also.

Safeties in Quarters don't need great range like elite Free Safeties (i.e. Earl Thomas) and they don't need to be like small LBs to play as in-the-box Strong Safeties.

Quarters Safeties need to be good open field tacklers and have good short area quickness and man coverage ability. It's closer to playing CB than either a FS or SS in single-high schemes.

Thanks. listen to what been said above.
We do not want a SS as good as Adams may be.
The change was beginning but this is the closest we have come to a balance set of safeties. we dont need safeties in the box unless we want them there.
this will not doubt a better set of safeties. even back ups and some of the new CBs can play the new strategy at safety.

eromeopolk · Jun 30, 2020

817Gill said:
5. HA HA CLINTON-DIX & XAVIER WOODS, DALLAS COWBOYS

“Both Clinton-Dix and Woods have earned top-20 coverage grades over the last two seasons, combining for a total of 34 turnovers during their brief NFL careers.

Both safeties have proven to be more than efficient when featured in a man-coverage scheme. Over the last two years, Clinton-Dix has the second-highest man-coverage grade (87.8) among the 31 qualifying safeties over that period, while Woods (70.2) ranks 17th. Together, they’ve allowed only 19 receptions from 31 targets in man coverage, giving up only 151 yards and a touchdown while coming away with six combined interceptions.

Clinton-Dix’s recent production has been somewhat overshadowed by his frequent moves and the lack of a long-term contract. But with a second-ranked man coverage grade (88.6) while aligned in the box and a 10th-ranked run-defense grade (79.7) when aligned as a slot-defender, Clinton-Dix has proved to be as versatile as any safety in the game.”

Here’s the fill BTB article, personally (though I wouldn’t say top 5), this should be one of the better S combos we’ve had in some time. Schematically are aren’t using a traditional SS so take that into account as well.

The bolded part is why some of y’all aren’t too excited about the pickup. But on the field, Haha is miles ahead of what we had in Heath.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pla...he-cowboys-already-have-a-top-5-safety-tandem

Eric Berry is on the way to Dallas. I hope.

CowboyRoy · Jul 1, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
I have my doubts about Ha-Ha.

sure but he’s better than heath. That’s an easy one.

Zekeats · Jul 1, 2020

Williamsboys said:
The first thought that came to my mind was that there must be alot of really bad safety combos out there.

Doesn’t sound good

Sydla · Jul 1, 2020

Anyone who thinks Heath is as good or better than Clinton-Dix............................ I just can't.

Sydla · Jul 1, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
I swear they cater to each fanbase. Are you a Buffalo Bills fan? We got a stat showing your QB is the most accurate passer in the league with less than 3 minutes left in the 3rd Qtr.

Totally buy into this theory. I also think they play favorites with certain teams based on who is doing the "analyzing".

I guess there is some value in what they do and I give them credit for trying a unique way of statistically analyzing players. But I always had questions about how one could put a ton of value into "grading" players when there were no real standards for how to grade a player and you had multiple people evaluating players across multiple positions. The subjectivity seems too great there IMO.

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