How does a cancelled season affect Dak negotiations?

12+88=7 · Jul 1, 2020

MarcusRock said:
What effect would that have when there's a salary cap pot of money you HAVE to spend? Even if a year is lost, every team is taking a hit. Dallas is probably the best team suited for taking a 1-year hit to boot. You still have to plan and have pieces in place to run your team going forward. Don't know where you stand on wanting Dak to be signed but this sounds like hope-posting, honestly.

The article had Dallas losing 600 million dollars if no fans are allowed to games. I don't know of any businessman that would find this acceptable, no matter how much money you have.

As a businessman why would you enter into a long term deal with over 100 million in guarantees when the future is unknown. You don't.

That's what I am saying. Common sense of business practices say the team should let Prescott play under the tag this year and work on the contract next year when there should be less variables and more is known about this viruses future.

Redball Express · Jul 1, 2020

J12B said:
So, let's say Dak does not get extended by July 15th and will play the 2020 season on the franchise tag.

Scenario 1: Season is canceled a couple of weeks into training camp.
I would guess that would mean Dak (and all other players) would not get credit for this season and he would remain under the franchise tag for 2021 at a salary of $31 million.

Scenario 2: Season is canceled after 2 or 3 games into the season.
Dak could get credit for playing the season and become a free agent in 2021 or get franchise tagged for $37 million.

I'm assuming Dak (particularly his agent) is going to wait until July 15th to finalize a deal, if it all, because of the possibility that a season will be cancelled.

My guess would be everything freezes in place.

It will resume at the next season and unfreeze.

I do not see players being paid with money the owners are not receiving and sponsors and networks are not paying.

As far as Dak is concerned, I think one reason he signed his Tag is becuz it activates what the 2nd tag pays him.

So I think any other issues are a domino effect.

The devil is in the details as they say. The agreements b/w the owners and players must have language that applies to work stoppages, etc.

Look to that.

HanD · Jul 1, 2020

John813 said:
IMO only players who are guaranteed to be paid are the ones that got signing bonuses.
Guys who only have base salary may be sweating it out the next few months.

players get the signing bonus money when they sign the contract, not in chunks like it is spread out for salary cap hit.

only the players that JUST re-signed this off season and the draftees would get paid their signing bonus money (ie amari, jarwin, haha CD, mccoy, poe). guys like zeke jaylon and dlaw got all their signing bonus money last year.

MarcusRock · Jul 1, 2020

12+88=7 said:
The article had Dallas losing 600 million dollars if no fans are allowed to games. I don't know of any businessman that would find this acceptable, no matter how much money you have.

As a businessman why would you enter into a long term deal with over 100 million in guarantees when the future is unknown. You don't.

That's what I am saying. Common sense of business practices say the team should let Prescott play under the tag this year and work on the contract next year when there should be less variables and more is known about this viruses future.

Again, you glossed over what I said. What effect does that have when there's a salary cap pot of money you HAVE to spend one way or another? You're talking about a different pot of money. If the salary cap pot is affected then that impacts what you can pay obviously but if the league is still saying you have to spend X dollars, you still have to spend it and figure out a way to get Dak in under it exactly the same way they've always had to.

JoaquinFenix · Jul 1, 2020

J12B said:
So, let's say Dak does not get extended by July 15th and will play the 2020 season on the franchise tag.

Scenario 1: Season is canceled a couple of weeks into training camp.
I would guess that would mean Dak (and all other players) would not get credit for this season and he would remain under the franchise tag for 2021 at a salary of $31 million.

Scenario 2: Season is canceled after 2 or 3 games into the season.
Dak could get credit for playing the season and become a free agent in 2021 or get franchise tagged for $37 million.

I'm assuming Dak (particularly his agent) is going to wait until July 15th to finalize a deal, if it all, because of the possibility that a season will be cancelled.

A cancelled season would work to the Cowboys’ advantage.

First, a franchise-tagged player only receives money via game checks. No games means no game checks for Dak. A long-term deal, however, would include signing bonus money that Dak could get now.

Second, a cancelled season would likely mean a lower salary cap next year. This means less money for top players across the league, including Dak.

Third, a cancelled season would create uncertainty about the future. Dak might think a bird in the hand is preferable to the risk of an extended layoff.

Of course, I’d rather have football.

bandfan · Jul 1, 2020

[QUOTE="Redball Express, post: 10273306, member: 535"

The devil is in the details as they say. The agreements b/w the owners and players must have language that applies to work stoppages, etc.

Look to that.[/QUOTE]
This is what is known as the liquidated damages clause which sets out answers to problems agreed to beforehand. Very common, almost mandatory. No doubt it is included in the standard player contract verbage...

cowboyblue22 · Jul 1, 2020

i dont think dak will get his extension and i think the season in danger of not happening if they dont have any season it will effect the nfl in the future u dont lose this amount of money and it not hurt the league

Redball Express · Jul 1, 2020

cowboyblue22 said:
i dont think dak will get his extension and i think the season in danger of not happening if they dont have any season it will effect the nfl in the future u dont lose this amount of money and it not hurt the league

For sure.

Before this is all over..

the fan support is what will restore the game.

Not the players, the union or the owners.

We shall see what is left of the sport after the dust settles.

J12B · Jul 1, 2020

JoaquinFenix said:
A cancelled season would work to the Cowboys’ advantage.

First, a franchise-tagged player only receives money via game checks. No games means no game checks for Dak. A long-term deal, however, would include signing bonus money that Dak could get now.

Second, a cancelled season would likely mean a lower salary cap next year. This means less money for top players across the league, including Dak.

Third, a cancelled season would create uncertainty about the future. Dak might think a bird in the hand is preferable to the risk of an extended layoff.

Of course, I’d rather have football.

I think you are exactly right.

That's why I believe Dak and his agent would be motivated to get a deal done by July 15th. Get all that guaranteed money now for sure as opposed to wait another year and take a huge risk in not getting paid a large sum due to a cancellation.

John813 · Jul 1, 2020

HanD said:
players get the signing bonus money when they sign the contract, not in chunks like it is spread out for salary cap hit.

only the players that JUST re-signed this off season and the draftees would get paid their signing bonus money (ie amari, jarwin, haha CD, mccoy, poe). guys like zeke jaylon and dlaw got all their signing bonus money last year.

Probably didn't make it clear there, but yea. They have already been paid if they got or will get a signing bonus.
CDL will get paid due to the signing bonus in the 1st round draft slot but day 3 guys won't get much, if at all iirc.

McKDaddy · Jul 1, 2020

12+88=7 said:
Dallas will not enter into a deal with these external circumstances being present and unknown how they will play out.

I don't understand why people don't want to acknowledge that we are dealing with unprecedented times. Only a foolish owner would commit any out of pocket money with the revenue side in question.

Scotman · Jul 1, 2020

aikemirv said:
He has been misguided since last year. This is utter financial stupidity. Somebody needs to work with him and his agent on the time value of money because he missed that in college!

I completely agree. He could have taken a team friendly deal last deal. He could still have made an extra 20 million last year EASY. Now, if he gets a 4 year contract, he has to make at least 5 million more a year over the course of that contract just to break even. That, of course, doesn't take interest into account. I know that it would have been tacked onto the end of his previous contract and that it isn't apples to oranges...but the money would already be in the bank. AND...his marketability goes up substantially if he is on a "team first" contract. His detractors fall off substantially if they don't think his contract hampers the team, too.

I think it's just a colossal mistake on his part.

cern · Jul 1, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
He's going to make so much money, missing one season is a drop in the bucket for him. The Cowboys have maintained they want Dak on a long-term deal. It will be a huge contract, perhaps the largest in NFL history or very close.

As stated in my previous post. Nothing will "affect" Dak. He'll get paid no matter what!

If the season is cancelled, revenues decrease. Revenues decrease, cap decreases. Dak, will be affected.

How does a cancelled season affect Dak negotiations?

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