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He’s a transcendent player at top form (which for him starts about game 5 or 6), and we don’t have an adequate replacement. I actually like the guy in a way, and feel like he’d be a cool friend. But part if what makes him seem like able is his extremely laid back, happy go lucky mentality, which just keeps getting him into trouble. It’s constant! He’s an elite athlete, no doubt, but he doesn’t have elite (perhaps not even average) focus, drive, or hunger for winning. He might not get suspended for this “faded” thing, but he is in the news for something mildly or severely negative all the time, the threat of suspension is constantly over him, he’s already been suspended—which hurt the team a lot— and I think he’s likely to be suspended again at some point for something. He’s also only getting older, and the only way to mitigate the pace of Father Time at his demanding position is to have elite conditioning and elite training... which by now he clearly is not interested in doing.

At RB, a cheaper player only one or two tiers below him could be found. McCarthy’s scheme will not truly need or utilize his strengths as a ground and pound player anyway. I think the trade return we get for him and the cap savings would add up to a net benefit over the talent drop off at RB, especially given the relatively low importance of this position in modern NFL. The biggest benefit to the team, however, would be in removing the chaos, disruptions, and reliance on an unreliable player who’s out of shape for a quarter of the season even when he’s not suspended or potentially suspended.

your name...back in town...needs to be ....get out of town...
 

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Yea that's what I meant. The Cowboys would be able to cut him and not have it count against the cap. They could also trade him without any dead money. I thought they got back some of the signing bonus as well but I don't see anything definitive about that.

Edit: This article mentions possibly being able to recoup bonus money for "conduct detrimental to the league" but it is referring to his rookie contract, not his extension. Although I would think his new contract would have the same (or even stronger) protections.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...ion-base-salary-forfeit-signing-bonus-return/

They didn't give him a huge signing bonus (7.5M) for that reason. Teams rarely get money back that has been paid out and they don't get the cap space back unless they actually get the money back.

With a small signing bonus most of the money is paid as annual salaries. That automatically gives the team protection because salary is not paid if the player is suspended.

They added the extra protection in the contract of being able to void the 2021 and 2022 salary guarantees which gives them the option to cut him if he is suspended without owning him those future salaries.

Even with a suspension and voided future guarantees, they would still have paid him 22M while only taking a 6.4M cap hit which means the difference in 22M and 6.4M would be the 2020 dead money if traded.
 

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I don't think being "faded" and internetting is all that bad. Most of the posts on this board come form "faded" individuals... lol,..

And you know who you Are........
 

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Disappears? He was excellent in 2 or 3 playoff games.

1st playoff game: 125 yards, 5.68 average

2nd playoff game: 137 yards, 5.27 average

During the 2019 regular season he has less sub 4.0 yards/carry games than Emmitt had in 1992.
Yawn.

What about the Rams playoff game? 47 yards
What about the Eagles win and in game? 47 yards

He demands to be paid as the best then he should play as the best 100% of the time. He was out performed by RB’s making not even 25% of his salary.
 

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Ya Dak performed soooooo well when Zeke was out for 6 games.
In fact, he went 15 str8 Quarters of offense without 1 single TD.
You have the pulse of the team bud.....:banghead:

Dak has won his last 4 games without Zeke.
 

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He’s a transcendent player at top form (which for him starts about game 5 or 6), and we don’t have an adequate replacement. I actually like the guy in a way, and feel like he’d be a cool friend. But part if what makes him seem like able is his extremely laid back, happy go lucky mentality, which just keeps getting him into trouble. It’s constant! He’s an elite athlete, no doubt, but he doesn’t have elite (perhaps not even average) focus, drive, or hunger for winning. He might not get suspended for this “faded” thing, but he is in the news for something mildly or severely negative all the time, the threat of suspension is constantly over him, he’s already been suspended—which hurt the team a lot— and I think he’s likely to be suspended again at some point for something. He’s also only getting older, and the only way to mitigate the pace of Father Time at his demanding position is to have elite conditioning and elite training... which by now he clearly is not interested in doing.

At RB, a cheaper player only one or two tiers below him could be found. McCarthy’s scheme will not truly need or utilize his strengths as a ground and pound player anyway. I think the trade return we get for him and the cap savings would add up to a net benefit over the talent drop off at RB, especially given the relatively low importance of this position in modern NFL. The biggest benefit to the team, however, would be in removing the chaos, disruptions, and reliance on an unreliable player who’s out of shape for a quarter of the season even when he’s not suspended or potentially suspended.
easier trade Dak
 

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Hahahahaha...take as much punishment as him? McCaffrey totes the rock (receiving and running) a lot more than he does. Barkley runs behind one of the worst lines in the league and gets mobbed by the defense on almost every play. There are several other RB’s that don’t have the line zeke has had his entire career and don’t have the weapons on offense that he does to take the pressure off. Do you really think opponents are worried about Eli, or a rookie QB, and Engram, Shepard or Tate?

Please tell me you’re joking.

2016-2018
Elliot 847 carries

2016-2018
Mccaffery 623 carries

Not to mention McCaffery doesnt passblock.
People look at the 2019 picture and say mccaffery is the real deal jst like they thought kamara was, barkley was, cook was, gurley was...and so on. The only RB in the nfl thats been healthy, as been a every down back, has been a all around back, is the best RB in tghe game and thats Elliot. These other RBs have to be put in situations to have success. They have to spread the field and matchup on DBs. Elliot you run inside outside loaded box whatever, and he produces. Dallas coaches had no clue which is why they are no longer in Dallas. People like you ignore this when it fits your opinion. But cry about coaching when its convenient for you.
 
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Ya Dak performed soooooo well when Zeke was out for 6 games.
In fact, he went 15 str8 Quarters of offense without 1 single TD.
You have the pulse of the team bud.....:banghead:
Ridiculous argument. Their record was the same with Zeke.
 

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ignorance is bliss

2016-2018
Elliot 847 carries

2016-2018
Mccaffery 623 carries

Not to mention McCaffery doesnt passblock.

Ignorant people look at the 2019 picture and say mccaffery is the real deal jst like they thought kamara was, barkley was, cook was, gurley was...and so on. The only RB in the nfl thats been healthy, as been a every down back, has been a all around back, is the best RB in tghe game and thats Elliot. These other RBs have to be put in situations to have success. They have to spread the field and matchup on DBs. Elliot you run inside outside loaded box whatever, and he produces. Dallas coaches had no clue which is why they are no longer in Dallas. People like you ignore this when it fits your opinion. But cry about coaching when its convenient for you.
So his coaches didn’t use him as much in first few years like Henry.

McCaffrey (2019)
Rushing
287 attempts- 1,387 yards
Receiving
116 catches- 1005 yards

Ewok (2019)
301 attempts- 1357 yards (more attempts and less yards than CM)
189 catches- 1619 yards


Try again. The Ewok was also facing the “stacked box” less than ~22% of other running backs in the league. You want to talk about yards, health, etc then why don’t you mention Offensive lines? You got guys like Barkley and Mccaffrey that blow zeke away in several categories but they're running behind much worse O lines.

Get your crap together before you start making declarations. You’re out of your league junior.
 
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2016-2018
Elliot 847 carries

2016-2018
Mccaffery 623 carries

Not to mention McCaffery doesnt passblock.
People look at the 2019 picture and say mccaffery is the real deal jst like they thought kamara was, barkley was, cook was, gurley was...and so on. The only RB in the nfl thats been healthy, as been a every down back, has been a all around back, is the best RB in tghe game and thats Elliot. These other RBs have to be put in situations to have success. They have to spread the field and matchup on DBs. Elliot you run inside outside loaded box whatever, and he produces. Dallas coaches had no clue which is why they are no longer in Dallas. People like you ignore this when it fits your opinion. But cry about coaching when its convenient for you.
:hammer:
 

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Yawn.

What about the Rams playoff game? 47 yards
What about the Eagles win and in game? 47 yards

He demands to be paid as the best then he should play as the best 100% of the time. He was out performed by RB’s making not even 25% of his salary.

RB don't have great stats in all games. Emmitt had multiple games in 92 with less than 4.0 yards/carry. He had multiple playoff games with less than 80 yards.

Zeke had 7 catches on 7 targets in that Eagles game.

He had the 2nd most rushing yards in 2019 and has the most over the 4 year period since he enter the league.

He was 5th in rushing TDs in 2019.

The salary of RBs that are still on rookie contracts is irrelevant. Those players won't be paid 25% when they get their 1st veteran contract.
 

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RB don't have great stats in all games. Emmitt had multiple games in 92 with less than 4.0 yards/carry. He had multiple playoff games with less than 80 yards.

Zeke had 7 catches on 7 targets in that Eagles game.

He had the 2nd most rushing yards in 2019 and has the most over the 4 year period since he enter the league.

He was 5th in rushing TDs in 2019.

The salary of RBs that are still on rookie contracts is irrelevant. Those players won't be paid 25% when they get their 1st veteran contract.
Can you bring up any other stats that aren’t directly related to coaching? All you guys talk about is yards which is directly related to carries which is directly related to coacing.

How many times do we have to go over this? Barkley and several other RB’s had more ypc behind much worse O lines. The only reason they didn’t have more yards was due to the play calling. Multiple RB’s smoke zeke in ypc, yac, broken tackles, forced tackles missed, short yards,, etc and they did it behind some of the worst O lines in the league when zeke has had the best. Several RB’s would have had the same success, if not better, under the same circumstances as the ewok.

ONE RB who has led the league in rushing has won a SB in the past 20 years. Paying zeke was a horrible decision as was using the 4th overall pick.
 

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He’s a transcendent player at top form (which for him starts about game 5 or 6), and we don’t have an adequate replacement. I actually like the guy in a way, and feel like he’d be a cool friend. But part if what makes him seem like able is his extremely laid back, happy go lucky mentality, which just keeps getting him into trouble. It’s constant! He’s an elite athlete, no doubt, but he doesn’t have elite (perhaps not even average) focus, drive, or hunger for winning. He might not get suspended for this “faded” thing, but he is in the news for something mildly or severely negative all the time, the threat of suspension is constantly over him, he’s already been suspended—which hurt the team a lot— and I think he’s likely to be suspended again at some point for something. He’s also only getting older, and the only way to mitigate the pace of Father Time at his demanding position is to have elite conditioning and elite training... which by now he clearly is not interested in doing.

At RB, a cheaper player only one or two tiers below him could be found. McCarthy’s scheme will not truly need or utilize his strengths as a ground and pound player anyway. I think the trade return we get for him and the cap savings would add up to a net benefit over the talent drop off at RB, especially given the relatively low importance of this position in modern NFL. The biggest benefit to the team, however, would be in removing the chaos, disruptions, and reliance on an unreliable player who’s out of shape for a quarter of the season even when he’s not suspended or potentially suspended.

OK lets relive 2015 again by letting go your top rushing RB....Not. Remember the RB you want to trade has only played 3.6 years in the NFL. Talk to me after the 2021 season (2020 has already lost 2 preseason games and HOF game). Also, being faded is not the NFL crime of death sentence that it was prior years.

Finally, the Green Bay defense that M&M won a Super Bowl with had Charles Woodson, AJ Hawk, Clay Mathews, BJ Raji, Nick Collins. Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Morgan Burnett, and Ryan Pickett coached by Dom Capers. So Aaron Rodgers got a lot of opportunities to beat you. A good defense is helped greatly by a running game see Cowboys of the 70's, 90's, Parcells years, 2014, 2016, and 2018.
 
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