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DakPresgoat said:
I agree with this. I think better coaching and ply design will also help with this too. I am excited to see what kind of progress Dak can make with McCarthy coaching him.
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That's one of those things he started out last season looking like he'd improved greatly. It seemed to go away a bit around mid season, I think. Hopefully he can build on it this season, or whenever they play again.
 
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It's intensely stupid actually to look at one stat that says Dak might be good in one element of his game and go IT'S ALL BS BECAUSE DAK NOT HAVE RING. It's just being loudly stupid and proud of it,which is basically the root of everything wrong with this country, but that's a whole other topic.

For one, Dak could be great at everything and still lose, because quarterbacks aren't magical win generators. They're one part of a greater whole. Did Aikman magically forget how to quarterback the second he got his 3rd ring? Most people would say no, the coaching was worse and the roster went into steep decline. Dude's a hall of famer (which nobody is calling Dak yet) and even he had limitations on how many team issues he could personally overcome.

For another, being good at one part of the game doesn't prove you're good at everything about the game. The stat might correctly describe this one part of Dak's game, but that's only a part of the whole; he could be failing elsewhere while being good at this part. But of course nobody Big Mad that Dak even exists is making the effort to have that conversation either.

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Dak became so much better at this last year.

I’ve been watching several 2018 games lately and he was awful in this regard that season.
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I think the line crapping out due to injury and giving up 56 sacks had some role in that.
 
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QuincyCarterEra said:
Another interesting tidbit is Andy Dalton being so poor. I love him as a backup, but for our sake we should hope that he doesn't have to step in and start at any point.
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I think we should recognize the fact that a QB is more likely to avoid a sack when he has better targets who recognize that they have to help him out. Also, having good OL who continue to block well even after a defender has gotten into the backfield helps a QB's ability to elude sacks.

I'm not saying I know who has the advantage in those aspects, but it's something to consider. In other words, I don't think these stats can show conclusively which QB's are better at avoiding sacks, when there are so many variables at play.
 

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Runwildboys said:
I think we should recognize the fact that a QB is more likely to avoid a sack when he has better targets who recognize that they have to help him out. Also, having good OL who continue to block well even after a defender has gotten into the backfield helps a QB's ability to elude sacks.

I'm not saying I know who has the advantage in those aspects, but it's something to consider. In other words, I don't think these stats can show conclusively which QB's are better at avoiding sacks, when there are so many variables at play.
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Quality targets is for sure a thing, and Dalton has ALWAYS had at least one elite target, but typically an elite target and a upper-echelon WR2.

OL for this excercise doesn't make much of a difference at all though.
 

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Iago33 said:
No one mentions Rogers being in the bottom 10? I didn’t watch him as much last year but he historically moves well and is elusive. Dak is strong, which helps immensely
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Rodgers has been average to below average starting QB the last three years. Which is shocking considering at his peak I thought he was the best QB I had ever seen.
 
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QuincyCarterEra said:
Quality targets is for sure a thing, and Dalton has ALWAYS had at least one elite target, but typically an elite target and a upper-echelon WR2.

OL for this excercise doesn't make much of a difference at all though.
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I disagree. The play doesn't stop once the defender gets through or around the OL. As an example, when Eli escaped a sack to throw the helmet catch to David Tyree, he was in the grasp of a defender until his OL came back and hit him, allowing Eli to throw a game changing reception.

Conversely, when Dak was trying to escape a sack, his OL decided to molest him, and the official called it a sack.
 
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Wow, more stats from PFF. :muttley:
Oh well, it is something to have fun with.

Mahomes is a no brainer, I could tell you that without stats.
Wonder where Romo would be. He had a 6th sense at times. I still loved when he punked JJ Watt and hit Twill for what, a 30 yard TD?
 

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QuincyCarterEra said:
The majority of us should be thankful we aren't brain dead like this guy.
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Guess @Brax isn't in the majority, he is also brain dead.

Notice you are the one that has to come up with excuses for why the stats don't matter, not the other way around. Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
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QuincyCarterEra said:


We got rid of Witten which is great, please for the love of god stop giving Zeke 70-95 targets.
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I think Witten and Elliott were usually relief valves, which means if the ball went to them, it was often just trying to salvage something from nothing. So I think it's understandable that the stats don't favor them here.
 

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Runwildboys said:
I think Witten and Elliott were usually relief valves, which means if the ball went to them, it was often just trying to salvage something from nothing. So I think it's understandable that the stats don't favor them here.
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Jarwin and Pollard played those snaps when Witten and Zeke were off the field, Jarwin was one of the most effecient TEs in the league, and Pollard had 9.0 yards after catch per reception while Zeke only had 7.3.
 

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jazzcat22 said:
So 8-8 is Dak's fault? :facepalm:

Go to the top source, Mr. 8-8 himself. He did that 3 years in a row with Tony at QB. Was it Tony's fault then too?
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That's the only comment Brax can come up with. Any stat or thread showing Dak in a good light, Brax and Williamsboys comes in posting 8-8 because they can't come up with any other original thought. They just try to collect likes from the usual suspects.
 
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QuincyCarterEra said:
Jarwin and Pollard played those snaps when Witten and Zeke were off the field, Jarwin was one of the most effecient TEs in the league, and Pollard had 9.0 yards after catch per reception while Zeke only had 7.3.
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But when they were in, the plays were designed for them as the target, weren't they? I don't remember ever seeing either of them as the 2nd or 3rd option, with the possible exception of Jarwin's long TD up the middle of the field. (Can't remember who it was against.) Even that may have been the plan from the snap.
 
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