Can we copy cat Jackson and the Ravens?

kskboys · Jul 3, 2020

cern said:
and just who is going to copy jackson and what he can do scrambling? dak's got his strengths, he's a tough runner, but no way he has the elusiveness of jackson.

Haven't seen Jackson type abilty since Vick.

kskboys · Jul 3, 2020

Bullflop said:
You are cherry picking the stats that suit your agenda and ignoring those that don't. Lamar has less INTs that Dak, even though he's good there. Their overall QB ratings favor Lamar buy a noteworthy margin as well. Dak had far more attempts passing than Lamar did, so naturally his yardage is going to be more, despite the fact that their completion % is extremely close. Dak doesn't come anywhere close to Lamar's rushing stats, that's a runaway. The passing stats are also extremely close in every category but you prefer to ignore that fact. Lamar has a lead in scoring TDs as well as less INTs.

Jackson's doing extremely well, despite the fact that the Raven's OL is considered one of the weakest parts of their team. You're favoring half-truths in favor of pushing your agenda. That's what you're not absorbing, yet you claim his passing is poor. It's not, yet you deny passing judgment. Whatever.

Let's abandon this pissing contest, OK? -- I believe we're both better than that. I'm not claiming Dak isn't a very good QB -- I like him and respect him for exactly what he is -- a very fine and capable QB and worthy of whatever he can get in terms of his upcoming contract, assuming it's agreed to. Your premature condemnation of Lamar Jackson's passing is without merit, though. Let's just give this very young QB his due respect.

No, I'm not.

If you want to quit the argument, then quit responding.

I have no idea why you're so in love w/ Lamar. He's a great runner, poor passer. This really isn't even up for debate. He was exposed in a major way in the playoffs as a guy who can't throw outside. Very strange for a starting NFL QB. His passing isn't poor, it's very poor.

And now you're making stuff up. BALT had one of the best OL's in the NFL. The quote I gave you was from analysts. Show me the proof that you're using to claim it was bad. BALT was rated as having the 3rd best OL in the NFL last year.

You really just need to stop.

kskboys · Jul 3, 2020

OmerV said:
Not is Dak in the same league as Lamar as a runner. I don’t know why anyone would think they have similar skill sets that could be used the same way. They are very different players.

They are polar opposite QB's. Right now, Lamar is being overrated due to being MVP. As usual, QB's who are poor passers get exposed in the playoffs. When good D's take away their strengths, they fail. Which is what happened when TENN held them to 12 points.

Bullflop · Jul 3, 2020

kskboys said:
No, I'm not.

If you want to quit the argument, then quit responding.

I have no idea why you're so in love w/ Lamar. He's a great runner, poor passer. This really isn't even up for debate. He was exposed in a major way in the playoffs as a guy who can't throw outside. Very strange for a starting NFL QB. His passing isn't poor, it's very poor.

And now you're making stuff up. BALT had one of the best OL's in the NFL. The quote I gave you was from analysts. Show me the proof that you're using to claim it was bad. BALT was rated as having the 3rd best OL in the NFL last year.

You really just need to stop.

The Raven's rating was for blocking for the rush but the opposite was true, inasmuch as pass protection. Their rush blocking was the reason they were rated well, not the pass pro. It takes two to tango, sir, when it comes to responding. You responded critically to my original post, not at all what you're claiming here. Check back to page 6 and you'll see I made a singular statement in response to nobody. Your responded critically to my post, not the other way around. Talk about making stuff up . . .

OmerV · Jul 3, 2020

kskboys said:
They are polar opposite QB's. Right now, Lamar is being overrated due to being MVP. As usual, QB's who are poor passers get exposed in the playoffs. When good D's take away their strengths, they fail. Which is what happened when TENN held them to 12 points.

I personally don’t have a lot of negativity about Jackson. He’s not a great passer, but he was highly productive and was the main reason the Ravens become a highly competitive team. He’s effectively using the skills he has. I just don’t think what he and the a Ravens did last year is sustainable over time, and I certainly don’t think what they are doing is a fit for Dak and the Cowboys.

mldardy · Jul 3, 2020

Would rather not. They haven't done anything yet.

Typhus · Jul 3, 2020

kskboys said:
Dak is a phenom at passing compared to Jackson.

Their passing numbers would be very similar if the Ravens didn't game plan around Lamars run first abilities.
Lamar had 1213 yds rushing, last year, and that places him 2nd behind Christian MacCaffrey.. a RB, and ahead of all other RBs is the league last year.
I don't think fans realize how special a talent Lamar Jackson is, the Ravens built their entire, unique, offensive build model around Lamar Jackson because he is a "special"
talent.
Comparing Lamar to Dak is rather short sighted in my opinion, and just going off of passing yds in comparing the two, is a fail.
Dak and Lamar are two very different players and distinctly incomparable.
How does anyone know how many yards Lamar could throw for in a season,, the Ravens don't care, they know they have probably the most athletic, unique talent in the entire league.

Bullflop · Jul 3, 2020

OmerV said:
I personally don’t have a lot of negativity about Jackson. He’s not a great passer, but he was highly productive and was the main reason the Ravens become a highly competitive team. He’s effectively using the skills he has. I just don’t think what he and the a Ravens did last year is sustainable over time, and I certainly don’t think what they are doing is a fit for Dak and the Cowboys.

Lamar's passing stats are slightly less than Dak's, with the completion % being about 2% less. OTOH, the Raven's pass protection isn't one of their strengths, though. They're very exceptional in their run blocking, however. It's also true that comparing these QBs doesn't lend itself to being readily comparable. I'm inclined to agree that Lamar may be vulnerable to injury taking a toll on his longevity. It's a risk that comes with the territory.

Super_Kazuya · Jul 3, 2020

Typhus said:
Their passing numbers would be very similar if the Ravens didn't game plan around Lamars run first abilities.
Lamar had 1213 yds rushing, last year, and that places him 2nd behind Christian MacCaffrey.. a RB, and ahead of all other RBs is the league last year.
I don't think fans realize how special a talent Lamar Jackson is, the Ravens built their entire, unique, offensive build model around Lamar Jackson because he is a "special"
talent.
Comparing Lamar to Dak is rather short sighted in my opinion, and just going off of passing yds in comparing the two, is a fail.
Dak and Lamar are two very different players and distinctly incomparable.
How does anyone know how many yards Lamar could throw for in a season,, the Ravens don't care, they know they have probably the most athletic, unique talent in the entire league.

To put it in perspective, Lamar basically single-handedly outproduced Dak and Zeke at their jobs by himself.

MikeB80 · Jul 3, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
You'd have to adjust your whole offense to fit the QB, which is what Baltimore did. It's a bold but smart move.

You also have to identify an elite athlete like Lamar. I'm mot sure who that is in college right now.

Jackson played one of the worst post season games I have ever seen from a quarterback last year. At home as the 1 seed. Awful does not come close to explaining how bad jackson was.

The nfl always forces these guys to become nfl quarterbacks. It is going to be interesting so see jackson do that.

Typhus · Jul 3, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
To put it in perspective, Lamar basically single-handedly outproduced Dak and Zeke at their jobs by himself.

Other than the receiving yards and TDs, than quite possibly.
I made a mistake by saying Lamar would have had the 2nd highest yds.
Henry, Zeke and Chubb had more, but LJ still would have been top 5 in rushing yds when compared to all RBs, which is still quite remarkable when considering he did it from the QB position.

OmerV · Jul 3, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
To put it in perspective, Lamar basically single-handedly outproduced Dak and Zeke at their jobs by himself.

Lol, Jackson had 2,623 fewer yards than they did.

Super_Kazuya · Jul 3, 2020

OmerV said:
Lol, he had 2,203 fewer yards than they did.

lol, imagine being such a clueless troll and thinking yards are a positive QB stat. They’re opportunity stats, nothing more. Jackson obliterated Dak last year.

OmerV · Jul 3, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
lol, imagine being such a clueless troll and thinking yards are a positive QB stat. They’re opportunity stats, nothing more. Jackson obliterated Dak last year.

Can you imagine someone using the word “produce” and not realizing stats are produced? Or not realizing teams and players have to produce yards to score? Or not understanding that all stats are tied to opportunity?

By the way, it was actually 2,623 fewer yards that Jackson had.

And, I see you back peddling, now saying Jackson outplayed Dak only instead of out producied Dak and Elliott both.

Are you capable of any effort at unbiased discussion, or are you too busy being a slobberer. Lol

Super_Kazuya · Jul 3, 2020

OmerV said:
Can you imagine someone using the word “produce” and not realizing stats are produced? Or not realizing teams and players have to produce yards to score? Or not understanding that all stats are tied to opportunity?

By the way, it was actually 2,623 fewer yards that Jackson had.

And, I see you back peddling, now saying Jackson outplayed Dak only instead of out producied Dak and Elliott both.

Are you capable of any effort at unbiased discussion, or are you too busy being a slobberer. Lol

He outproduced and out played him in every way possible. Yards are not a positive QB stat. If that is your weak way of trying to somehow make yourself sound smart, it failed like it usually does for you. And no, all stats are not tied to opportunity. Imagine being so stupid as to have actually typed that.

OmerV · Jul 3, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
He outproduced and out played him in every way possible. Yards are not a positive QB stat. If that is your weak way of trying to somehow make yourself sound smart, it failed like it usually does for you. And no, all stats are not tied to opportunity. Imagine being so stupid as to have actually typed that.

You said He outperformed both Dak AND Elliott, and your way of defending that is to bury your head in the sand and pretend you never mentioned Elliott at all? Lol.

Hey, ignore your own criteria, backpeddle as fast as you can, and you’re sure to find a narrative that works.

By the way, I never said Dak outplayed Jackson. That’s just what you had to fabricate to cover up your comment about Dak and Elliott.

As for stats not being tied to opportunity, explain to me how a person builds stats without having the opportunity. You think Jackson’s stats are handed out by the tooth fairy and he gets them whether the team puts the ball in his hands or not?

And you’re right, yards aren’t a positive stat for QBs . Lots of QBs are highly effective never gaining any yards at all or getting anywhere near the goal line. Right?

Super_Kazuya · Jul 3, 2020

OmerV said:
You said He outperformed both Dak AND Elliott, and your way of defending that is to bury your head in the sand and pretend you never mentioned Elliott at all? Lol.

Hey, ignore your own criteria, backpeddle as fast as you can, and you’re sure to find a narrative that works.

By the way, I never said Dak outplayed Jackson. That’s just what you had to fabricate to cover up your comment about Dak and Elliott.

As for stats not being tied to opportunity, explain to me how a person builds stats without having the opportunity. You think Jackson’s stats are handed out by the tooth fairy and he gets them whether the team puts the ball in his hands or not?

And you’re right, yards aren’t a positive stat for QBs . Lots of QBs are highly effective never gaining any yards at all or getting anywhere near the goal line. Right?

lol, you're a bored desperate troll given a day off from your menial job trying to get my attention. You tried to troll me in another thread by bizarrely responding to a more than two day old post I made after I had long forgotten about it, and now you're the only troll jumping on a fairly non-controversial statement about Lamar outproducing both Dak and Zeke (which he did). You're like a puppy dog nipping at my heels, you're going to have to do better than that for anyone to take your moronic drivel seriously

OmerV · Jul 3, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
lol, you're a bored desperate troll given a day off from your menial job trying to get my attention. You tried to troll me in another thread by bizarrely responding to a more than two day old post I made after I had long forgotten about it, and now you're the only troll jumping on a fairly non-controversial statement about Lamar outproducing both Dak and Zeke (which he did). You're like a puppy dog nipping at my heels, you're going to have to do better than that for anyone to take your moronic drivel seriously

Lol, you do back peddle quickly. Not well, but quickly. You exaggerate, fabricate, ignore what doesn’t suit you and apparently think calling people childish names Like “slobberer” somehow makes a point other than that you are the one slobbering. You are so zealous about attacking things you don’t get things right, and even create arguments based on things the party you are arguing with never said. You would rather dig yourself a hole to China than admit you misspoke.

Super_Kazuya · Jul 3, 2020

OmerV said:
Lol, you do back peddle quickly. Not well, but quickly. You exaggerate, fabricate, and apparently think calling people childish names Like “slobberer” somehow makes a point other than that you are the one slobbering. You are so zealous about attacking things you don’t get things right, and even create arguments based on things the party you are arguing with never said. You would rather dig yourself a hole to China than admit you misspoke.

That's right troll, back down like the sniveling toad you are. Maybe you can do dig through my post history and find some other old posts to comment on. You've got all day, so knock yourself out. You're like a roach on the bottom of my shoe, desperately trying to get my attention. Let me know if you find anything interesting while stalking, troll.

OmerV · Jul 3, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
That's right troll, back down like the sniveling toad you are. Maybe you can do dig through my post history and find some other old posts to comment on. You've got all day, so knock yourself out. You're like a roach on the bottom of my shoe, desperately trying to get my attention. Let me know if you find anything interesting while stalking, troll.

Lol, there you go - childish insults, no content. Your role as the persistent angry guy is humorous.

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