Potential Breakout player-Randy Gregory

MarcusRock · Jul 3, 2020

quickccc said:
The options at starting RDE is already very thin...

- Crawford has troublesome with both hips, and he was always very average as an edge rusher at DE,
- Alden is a recovering alcoholic 4 yr absentee with always one slip strike away from life ban in NFL
- and there's only a raw 5th rd rookie (Bradlee Anae) and JAG ( Armstrong)
- Not really known the matter with Gregory. Goodell delays or a change of heart ?

And these cries for Clowney and Griffin ?
- at age 32, Everson will demand that final deal of his remaining NFL career.
- and Clowney is just a 3 to 4 sack guy. Not a difference maker. If he had Quinn's sack numbers
he'd already have his mega deal.

This is where I am. RDE is already sketchy and we're trying to pen in two big "IFs" for production there who will more than likely need to play themselves into shape. I'm worried about that side A LOT early in the year. OLs just need to watch Lawrence and not worry about much else unless another less heralded "if" steps up. I think we need a vet at RDE so Gregory and Smith aren't expected to carry anything there at least for a little while.

I'd take Griffen and Clowney on 1-year deals in a heartbeat. Disagree that Clowney is not a difference maker. His problem has been injuries so he hasn't been able to sustain any kind of dominance. Go look at that first Seattle-SF game in 2019. Clowney was outright dominant. 5 tackles (1 TFL), 1 Sack, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 Defensive TD, Game-high 5 QB Hits (Seattle had 10 total). No DL is going to give you that every game of course but he did it against the unbeaten 49ers at the time and on the road. That's big game performance.

zrinkill · Jul 3, 2020

He will be the first 28 year old 6 year veteran rookie of the year ..........

The guy's face has spent the last 5 years on a milk carton ...... And it's expiration date is long up.

quickccc · Jul 3, 2020

MarcusRock said:
This is where I am. RDE is already sketchy and we're trying to pen in two big "IFs" for production there who will more than likely need to play themselves into shape. I'm worried about that side A LOT early in the year. OLs just need to watch Lawrence and not worry about much else unless another less heralded "if" steps up. I think we need a vet at RDE so Gregory and Smith aren't expected to carry anything there at least for a little while.

I'd take Griffen and Clowney on 1-year deals in a heartbeat. Disagree that Clowney is not a difference maker. His problem has been injuries so he hasn't been able to sustain any kind of dominance. Go look at that first Seattle-SF game in 2019. Clowney was outright dominant. 5 tackles (1 TFL), 1 Sack, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 Defensive TD, Game-high 5 QB Hits (Seattle had 10 total). No DL is going to give you that every game of course but he did it against the unbeaten 49ers at the time and on the road. That's big game performance.

2019 season in a 4-3 scheme.... with only 3 sacks in 13 games. That's not a difference maker.
that doesn't alter game plans or redirect blocking schemes

And give me give me an entire season more than just one game ... .
Quinn got 11 sacks in 14 games ... and that's exactly why he landed a mega deal with Chicago
and Clowney's 3 sacks is why he still looking and not landed the deal he covets with weeks before camp.

MarcusRock · Jul 3, 2020

quickccc said:
2019 season in a 4-3 scheme.... with only 3 sacks in 13 games. That's not a difference maker.
that doesn't alter game plans or redirect blocking schemes

And give me give me an entire season more than just one game ... .
Quinn got 11 sacks in 14 games ... and that's exactly why he landed a mega deal with Chicago
and Clowney's 3 sacks is why he still looking and not landed the deal he covets with weeks before camp.

As I pointed out, dominance is not sacks only. People keep getting hung up on that and are down on Lawrence for the same reason. Maybe people are scared of Clowney at high dollars for the durability reason like I stated. Only played 16 games once but constantly nicked up. I think he even got hurt in that SF game I mentioned where he was dominant. Byron Jones did pretty dang well in the open market with 0 INTs in the past 2 seasons. To many here, he's a bum. The dollars said otherwise because evaluators know it's not all about one stat.

Williamsboys · Jul 3, 2020

Someone in recovery once told me they often have a breakout when using..in Handcuffs.

Portnoy1 · Jul 3, 2020

Gregory is desert nice to have but not something you depend on for nourishment. He's been talked about the same since he was drafted. We'll still here in year 2072 talking about "once Randy gets out of his wheelchair our pass rush will be legit"

buybuydandavis · Jul 3, 2020

Silverstar said:
Don't count on it.

His 6 sacks in 2018 was probably as good as it gets.

In 2018 Gregory missed the offseason and had to work his way into shape during the season. 5 sacks in the second half of the season, same as DLaw.

Only 2 accrued seasons. We have him this year for 1mil, and next year as an RFA. Even at 6 sacks, he'd be a steal.

cern · Jul 3, 2020

When it comes to randy, it's the same old news, it's the same old blues again. If he succeeds, I'll be happy. If he fails, i won't be surprised.

GimmeTheBall! · Jul 3, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Randy Gregory a former top 10 prospect that fell all the way to the end of rd 2, due to drug use concerns. Him failing a drug test at the combine, foreshadowed his future with the team. Gregory has been suspended more games then the games he actually played in. He 27 years old and still playing on his rookie contract in which the team still hold his rights through 2021 season.

We are all well aware of his condition of being Bi-Polar and self-medicating himself by smoking marijuana. I personally know all about someone being bi-polar and how challenging it can be as my ex-wife had the same mental disease. Finding the right medication combination is very difficult, where many who suffer from the disease don't feel like themselves when on the medication.

Randy Gregory reportedly filed reinstatement paperwork with the league office. No decision has been made on his case thus far. With the new CBA, marijuana is no longer punishable by in game suspension. However, players are still going to be tested, the may have to seek mandatory counseling if the player fails multiple tests. I read a story in which Gregory refused voluntary to enter a program, where his agent almost had to kidnap him to get him help. This is something that could derail Gregory's future in the NFL. I do believe he will be reinstated at some point prior to the regular season.

On the field, Gregory has all the physical gifts to become a legitimate edge rusher. He actually is a better run defender than many of us think due to his small frame. With the Cowboys changing their defensive scheme, he might fit ideally as that designated off the ball pass rusher.

His success on and off the field this year could determine his long-term fate with the Cowboy Organization. You would think a player like Aldon Smith and what he has gone through would be an positive influence on Gregory. If and a big if, Gregory gets his act together, he has the potential to become a breakout star!

Can he remain a good citizen until 2021?
Can he stay sober until 2021?
Are his demons fully behind him? Will he need hand holding/counseling through 2020 and into 2021?
Don't bet on him. He'll disappoint you every time, matey.

Johnny23 · Jul 3, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
He harassed TB's OL and Winston what seemed like the entire game. Creating a fumble that put the game away, when Jaylon scooped it up and sped to the end zone.
That was a glimpse of what could be.

The problem with Randy is the suspension and not being available. In his game against the giants his rookie season he harrassed Elijah all day and played well even without a sack before the high ankle sprain.

We see flashes with Randy that are tantalizing and then he's going, going, gone for weeks if not seasons at a time. I just can't take the will he or won't he and in the back of my mind the fear he's not going to perform if he's cleared to play.

It's the most nerve racking situation on the team. I don't want to hear about potential anymore 5 years removed from his draft. I just want to see what he can do consistently without the spectre of a suspension constantly hanging over his head.

I agree though.

xwalker · Jul 3, 2020

quickccc said:
2019 season in a 4-3 scheme.... with only 3 sacks in 13 games. That's not a difference maker.
that doesn't alter game plans or redirect blocking schemes

And give me give me an entire season more than just one game ... .
Quinn got 11 sacks in 14 games ... and that's exactly why he landed a mega deal with Chicago
and Clowney's 3 sacks is why he still looking and not landed the deal he covets with weeks before camp.

Clowney compared to DLaw and Quinn
- I'm not advocating to sign Clowney, but he has not been far behind DLaw for their careers (Drafted same year).
- Clowney is close to DLaw and Quinn over the past years also.
- If he wanted to sign a reasonable 1-year contract (1-year, 12M), it's not a bad option.
- If he did well and got a decent contract when he departed they would get a comp pick.

Sacks:
- Past 4 years:
  - Clowney: 27.5
  - DLaw: 31
  - Quinn: 30.5

For their career:
- Clowney: 32 sacks in 75 games played
- DLaw: 39 sacks in 80 games played

For 2019:
- Clowney: 3 in 13 games played
- DLaw: 5 in 16 games played

StarBoyz83 · Jul 3, 2020

He has until next year maybe he can be ready by then

iceberg · Jul 3, 2020

is this the 3rd year running he's getting nominated?

JoeKing · Jul 3, 2020

The fact his reinstatement is being delayed tells me he's not ready. If anyone recalls correctly, the last game he played was in the playoffs against Green Bay. He hurt us in that game. I don't think his reinstatement means all that much to the Cowboys.

fivetwos · Jul 3, 2020

Yo if this dude isn't gonna get reinstated Jerry better definitely get on the horn w one of the two dudes still out there that can help out.

Aldon Smith?

Crawford?

I dont know.

Gregory is a better all around DE than folks want to give him credit for, and the fact that he hasnt been reinstated yet tells me things I dont like about him playing this year.

Cowboyny · Jul 3, 2020

GimmeTheBall! said:
Can he remain a good citizen until 2021?
Can he stay sober until 2021?
Are his demons fully behind him? Will he need hand holding/counseling through 2020 and into 2021?
Don't bet on him. He'll disappoint you every time, matey.

Could very well, but there is a chance since he no longer can be suspended for a failed drug test.

GimmeTheBall! · Jul 3, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Could very well, but there is a chance since he no longer can be suspended for a failed drug test.

Yay!
We want him faded in the classroom? On the field?

gjkoeppen · Jul 3, 2020

Cowboyny said:
No matter what practice time he has missed, he has raw athletic talent that not many possess and is entering his prime age seasons. If he can stay in the NFL for good, there is a chance for him to make a impact.

You keep telling yourself that but most people if being honest knows that if you aren't practicing you aren't progressing, you're regressing. And that prime you're talking about would be if he had continuously practiced and honed those talents which Gregory hasn't. If he gets reinstated he's going to have to spend what would be his prime years just getting to where he should be now if he had been playing all this time. You want to think that all the time he missed will have no affect on him and his talents and that's just wishful thinking. Father time affects people out of shape faster and easier than those who are continuously in shape.
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Cowboyny · Jul 3, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
You keep telling yourself that but most people if being honest knows that if you aren't practicing you aren't progressing, you're regressing. And that prime you're talking about would be if he had continuously practiced and honed those talents which Gregory hasn't. If he gets reinstated he's going to have to spend what would be his prime years just getting to where he should be now if he had been playing all this time. You want to think that all the time he missed will have no affect on him and his talents and that's just wishful thinking. Father time affects people out of shape faster and easier than those who are continuously in shape.
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The last time Gregory missing significant time, it took a little while to get the rust off, but he made an impact as a pass rusher as the season progressed. Sure the practice time has hurt his development, but he was never considered a prospect who need a lot of development. Biggest question mark was about putting more functional weight onto his frame. Based on talent/production he was a sure fire top 10 prospect. At age 27, with little ware/tear on his body, he has a chance to have success in this league. Never had trouble with the law, with the obstacle of no more suspensions for smoking weed, he has a chance to turnaround his career. Will that happen? Nobody knows for certain, even Gregory himself.

TwoCentPlain · Jul 3, 2020

27 Years old and still playing on his rookie contract

Took him forever to apply for reinstatement.
I wish him the best but I expect nothing from him. Dude just does not have the mental discipline to succeed. Wasted talent like Josh Gordon.

Gregory just does not want it bad enough.

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