Twitter: Best and Worst pocket awareness per PFF

QuincyCarterEra

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Is there any stat Dak rates favorably in that the “I am not a Dak hater but” crowd can just accept without trying to explain why Dak sucks and the stat is wrong?
"This info is useless because this scenario I came up with might not have been used in the data set, so it's completely useless not even for the scenario that it does cover, can't mean anything, nothing."

Lol.

We have guys in here saying we can't use OLs allowing for longer developing routes article to argue the OL giving Dak "all day to throw" yet those same guys want to use an overall performance ranking, from the same publisher, which includes run blocking as half the grade.

It's just embarrassing as a Cowboy's fan.
 

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Okay I'll help you.

1. If pay doesn't need to be mentioned like you said, why were you the one that brought up? "Pay grade does not reflect level of play at the QB position" were your exact words despite pay never being brought up.

2. You responded by saying my "order of reference is backwards". I've asked you twice, what were you actually trying to say? Because what you said made no sense.

If you haven't finished that last drink you should be able to answer these. If you can't answer these, then we will just drop it and forget that you posted what you did. Sound good?

I really am hoping I've cleared up things for you through this.

@Typhus did you miss this?
 

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As a 4 year starter Dak carries the lions share of the 8-8 as it was a solid team around him, as I said he gets alot of the credit for the 13-3 that I attribute to a large degree to Zeke. My problem is 4 years in, 8-8 with the same HC, elite players at most all offensive positions a serviceable D so who do you put most of the responsibility to but the QB because it's the same HC as that 13-3 team you mention. This is the prove it year and all these stats mean nothing if it's 8-8 or 7-9 or there is no playoffs. Jerry loves Dak so somehow I believe he will be signed but lets end the excuses of why Dak can't get it done year in and out .
That team wasn't solid. Sorry. The Special Teams was absolute garbage. The D was good a few games and exploited the next.
Nary a TO, never good field position.

No.
That team was not solid.

How about this: That team was not playing solid.
 

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Let's be honest folks.

I love killa @khiladi because he brings up interesting and poignant angles to an argument unlike most and he is always interesting to read, but you have to know going in:
He loves to take the time to denigrate just about everything that puts Dak in a good light.

Look, I don't have a bone in the fight. I'm on the fence with Dak since I didn't get to see the 2016 season and my 1st intro was '17 where I was... not amazingly impressed.
But consider who you're arguing against and how they represent themselves here.
 

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Let's be honest folks.

I love killa @khiladi because he brings up interesting and poignant angles to an argument unlike most and he is always interesting to read, but you have to know going in:
He loves to take the time to denigrate just about everything that puts Dak in a good light.

Look, I don't have a bone in the fight. I'm on the fence with Dak since I didn't get to see the 2016 season and my 1st intro was '17 where I was... not amazingly impressed.
But consider who you're arguing against and how they represent themselves here.

Why weren't you able to watch 2016, if I might ask?
 

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Oops. Supposed to say more Dak fan than Dallas fan.
If you think we are on a Cowboys message board because we like Dak more than the Cowboys themselves, you simply are beyond saving.

You can think Dalton is a better value, that's your opinion to have. I want the Cowboys to win a super bowl though, not maybe make it to the playoffs and lose first round like Dalton does.
 

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If you think we are on a Cowboys message board because we like Dak more than the Cowboys themselves, you simply are beyond saving.

You can think Dalton is a better value, that's your opinion to have. I want the Cowboys to win a super bowl though, not maybe make it to the playoffs and lose first round like Dalton does.
I don’t think Dak being highest paid player in the league is the way to win the Super Bowl. But I know he will get over paid and I hope I’m wrong about winning Super Bowl if JJ over pays him. I’m about Dallas the team instead of individual players getting paid. But you guys get so defensive over Dak and I really like Dak.
 

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the season next year will be very interesting!! Basically 2 offseasons to get ready and a brand new coaching staff.
 

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I disagree. The play doesn't stop once the defender gets through or around the OL. As an example, when Eli escaped a sack to throw the helmet catch to David Tyree, he was in the grasp of a defender until his OL came back and hit him, allowing Eli to throw a game changing reception.

Conversely, when Dak was trying to escape a sack, his OL decided to molest him, and the official called it a sack.
This is a good example of why stats are often flawed, and they just dont mean much when evaluating a player.

Football can be quite complex, and it is a team sport, and the qb doesnt win or lose games by himself.
They do however have a big effect on the games.

The only way to fairly compare dalton to dak, is to have dalton play 2-3 games as the starter.
Even that would be slanted, as dak knows the players much better and has played with most for years.

This pocket awareness stat is probably flawed in the way it is compiled.

It looks like we will only get to see dalton a little and with non starters during PS, since with only 2 games starters like dak may play more
than usual.
Dak is not going to let anyone else come in and play qb, that is why I knew no way he would hold out, he doesnt want any
qb playing but him, as he knows that is how he got the job in first place.
 

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I don’t think Dak being highest paid player in the league is the way to win the Super Bowl. But I know he will get over paid and I hope I’m wrong about winning Super Bowl if JJ over pays him. I’m about Dallas the team instead of individual players getting paid. But you guys get so defensive over Dak and I really like Dak.

...but we overpaid Zeke and you talk positively about Zeke. So does that mean we should call you a Zeke fan, not a Dallas fan?
 

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This is a good example of why stats are often flawed, and they just dont mean much when evaluating a player.

Football can be quite complex, and it is a team sport, and the qb doesnt win or lose games by himself.
They do however have a big effect on the games.

The only way to fairly compare dalton to dak, is to have dalton play 2-3 games as the starter.
Even that would be slanted, as dak knows the players much better and has played with most for years.

This pocket awareness stat is probably flawed in the way it is compiled.

It looks like we will only get to see dalton a little and with non starters during PS, since with only 2 games starters like dak may play more
than usual.
Dak is not going to let anyone else come in and play qb, that is why I knew no way he would hold out, he doesnt want any
qb playing but him, as he knows that is how he got the job in first place.
Good post. I agree with much of this, but even if I didn't I would have praised the post nonetheless.
 

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That's one of those things he started out last season looking like he'd improved greatly. It seemed to go away a bit around mid season, I think. Hopefully he can build on it this season, or whenever they play again.
He started out the season against top ten drafting teams
 

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As a 4 year starter Dak carries the lions share of the 8-8 as it was a solid team around him, as I said he gets alot of the credit for the 13-3 that I attribute to a large degree to Zeke. My problem is 4 years in, 8-8 with the same HC, elite players at most all offensive positions a serviceable D so who do you put most of the responsibility to but the QB because it's the same HC as that 13-3 team you mention. This is the prove it year and all these stats mean nothing if it's 8-8 or 7-9 or there is no playoffs. Jerry loves Dak so somehow I believe he will be signed but lets end the excuses of why Dak can't get it done year in and out .
The whole team quit on Garrett my friend. Dak seemed to be the only one trying at times lol
 

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He started out the season against top ten drafting teams
It was more than that. He seemed more confident in his receivers, and his footwork was much better. I may be wrong, but I think the combination of those two things helped him get the ball out faster.
 
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