Trade Zeke

aria said:

Agreed but I also think the O line, again, is a large factor of stamina and carrying the workload. Guys like Barkley, or Bell with the Jets, or any other RB with a bad O line have to work a lot harder most games, and over the course of a season, just to get positive yards. They are also much more prone to injury.

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OmerV said:

Those are reasonable thoughts. There can be a boatload of things to consider, and that’s why I generally don’t understand the thought of some that there can be a clear, unquestioned distinction on who is the best at a given time.

Occasionally one stands so far out that a reasonable distinction can be made, but often I t’s not that easy to definitively factor in the effects of all thing - talent, opportunity, offensive scheme, O-Line, how much defensive attention the players get, strength of schedule, weighing in rushing, receiving and blocking, being a grinder versus being a speed guy, health, ability to carry a big workload, instincts, vision, and on and on and on ...

In most cases reasonable people can reach different conclusions.

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BackInTown said:

But should he be?

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Redball Express said:

You are extra bored, huh?

This is just my opinion but..

you have to be really careful about ideas like this.

I must ask a question..

when you think of the Cowboys..

who do you think of?

I would say..

Jerrah

Zeke

Dak

Now..if we say what top players then Jerrah is out.

Now..I think of Zeke. Others Dak.

But Zeke has been since Day 1 with his "feed me" thing the rally guy of our team.

When he jumped in the Salvation Army Kettle and raised all that money and then doubled the contributions?

He is clearly the king.

Now he has sort of changed over time and he puts on some weight.

But I think that is just because he wants a little more body fat to protect from the hits.

He has always started slowly, even his rookie year he was slow out the gate.

His off the field dust-ups are annoying but he never does anything to hurt anybody on purpose. His dog attack thing is not his fault and the bar fight was a tempest in a teapot with no charges. The girl lost her top but she took no offense of it and probably liked the attention.

Who knows.

And the suspension was clearly not well done when the gal investigating for the NFL said she cleared him of any wrong doing. Goodell just wanted to get back at Jerrah for opposing the league on the suspension and financing Zeke's defense.

None of us ever got to see the actual evidence Zeke was suspended for so none of that is out in the open..

So I think you and others who want to dump a guy who has 2 rushing titles and is the backbone of the whole offense are not clear.

It's pretty clear that neither Dak nor Zeke are nearly effective without the other.

So why you would want to reduce the team to an average team by moving on from Zeke escapes me completely.

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aria said:

Because he’s not? Wouldn’t the best RB at least be in the top 10 of most statistical categories, especially considering the O line he’s had?

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NotForLong said:

Yes, absolutely . . . If not for Dak. Then Yes

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If defenses try to stop Murray, they have to contend with Romo. But Arizona didn't care for his replacement, Brandon Weeden.

"It's probably the first time we [have] seen it and it probably won't be the last," Murray said of seeing seven- and eight-man defensive fronts.

Murray had just nine carries in the first half but the Cowboys went back toward him in the third quarter with eight touches, and with the game out of reach late in the fourth quarter the Cowboys had to throw the ball.

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aria said:

So his coaches didn’t use him as much in first few years like Henry.

McCaffrey (2019)
Rushing
287 attempts- 1,387 yards
Receiving
116 catches- 1005 yards

Ewok (2019)
301 attempts- 1357 yards (more attempts and less yards than CM)
189 catches- 1619 yards


Try again. The Ewok was also facing the “stacked box” less than ~22% of other running backs in the league. You want to talk about yards, health, etc then why don’t you mention Offensive lines? You got guys like Barkley and Mccaffrey that blow zeke away in several categories but they're running behind much worse O lines.

Get your crap together before you start making declarations. You’re out of your league junior.

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BackInTown said:

He’s a transcendent player at top form (which for him starts about game 5 or 6), and we don’t have an adequate replacement. I actually like the guy in a way, and feel like he’d be a cool friend. But part if what makes him seem like able is his extremely laid back, happy go lucky mentality, which just keeps getting him into trouble. It’s constant! He’s an elite athlete, no doubt, but he doesn’t have elite (perhaps not even average) focus, drive, or hunger for winning. He might not get suspended for this “faded” thing, but he is in the news for something mildly or severely negative all the time, the threat of suspension is constantly over him, he’s already been suspended—which hurt the team a lot— and I think he’s likely to be suspended again at some point for something. He’s also only getting older, and the only way to mitigate the pace of Father Time at his demanding position is to have elite conditioning and elite training... which by now he clearly is not interested in doing.

At RB, a cheaper player only one or two tiers below him could be found. McCarthy’s scheme will not truly need or utilize his strengths as a ground and pound player anyway. I think the trade return we get for him and the cap savings would add up to a net benefit over the talent drop off at RB, especially given the relatively low importance of this position in modern NFL. The biggest benefit to the team, however, would be in removing the chaos, disruptions, and reliance on an unreliable player who’s out of shape for a quarter of the season even when he’s not suspended or potentially suspended.

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blueblood70 said:

WRONG Disagree go back to your Hole Troll.. Dak te reason , defense the reason , coaching the reason , Zeke 4th in why we lost games.. Zekes being game planned for in big games like the rams game and what happens when Dak has to step up? nothing happened , thats the issue.. player wants 35 mil and cant get it done yet zekes who BTW mad 11-, 12 his frist few years not 15 yet , thats kicks in with bonus money after this seasons start.. 35-15 hmm thats the issue..

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BackInTown said:

He’s a transcendent player at top form (which for him starts about game 5 or 6), and we don’t have an adequate replacement. I actually like the guy in a way, and feel like he’d be a cool friend. But part if what makes him seem like able is his extremely laid back, happy go lucky mentality, which just keeps getting him into trouble. It’s constant! He’s an elite athlete, no doubt, but he doesn’t have elite (perhaps not even average) focus, drive, or hunger for winning. He might not get suspended for this “faded” thing, but he is in the news for something mildly or severely negative all the time, the threat of suspension is constantly over him, he’s already been suspended—which hurt the team a lot— and I think he’s likely to be suspended again at some point for something. He’s also only getting older, and the only way to mitigate the pace of Father Time at his demanding position is to have elite conditioning and elite training... which by now he clearly is not interested in doing.

At RB, a cheaper player only one or two tiers below him could be found. McCarthy’s scheme will not truly need or utilize his strengths as a ground and pound player anyway. I think the trade return we get for him and the cap savings would add up to a net benefit over the talent drop off at RB, especially given the relatively low importance of this position in modern NFL. The biggest benefit to the team, however, would be in removing the chaos, disruptions, and reliance on an unreliable player who’s out of shape for a quarter of the season even when he’s not suspended or potentially suspended.

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LatinMind said:

see this is what i talk about people talking without knowing. You remind me of skip posting numbers without substance. Everytime Skip as youre doing post useless stats, players who know shut him up everytime with one simple phrase. Elliot by the time he got the ball already had guys in his face. So no the OL wasnt good at rn blocking. Why? Because the scheme hadnt changed since 2016. Running the same plays. JG basically said it in his PCs. Where gonna run the plays we run. They never switched up and opposing players said this every week. "we knew what they were running".

It seems like every yr there are posters like you thinking youre know more then you do because you can post numbers. Players know whats going on and say it all the time. Seems like im out of your league is more like it.

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Aviano90 said:

Romo hurt Murray’s production by constantly abandoning the run game. Thankfully he broke his back and was forced to hand the ball off in 2014. He and the team performed better when he didn’t try to play hero all the time.

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Aviano90 said:

Romo hurt Murray’s production by constantly abandoning the run game. Thankfully he broke his back and was forced to hand the ball off in 2014. He and the team performed better when he didn’t try to play hero all the time.

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basel90 said:

Go back to school and learn how to write ...

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