News: SDFW: Dallas Cowboys: Why Trysten Hill may already be the odd man out

Cowboy06 · Jul 6, 2020

kskboys said:
I don't blame us for drafting Hill, I would drafted him also. IN THE 6TH ROUND. Drafting him in the 2nd was just dumm.

Move on.

preach!!! Amen!!! :::choir singing....<7th round!!! 6th Round, maybe 7th Round yeah yeah!!!>

Kaiser · Jul 6, 2020

Tussinman said:
This is the probably the strongest statement i've seen. We went and signed 2 interior defensive lineman to start, drafted a 3rd round interior lineman in Gillmore and then offered contracts to Woods and Hamilton with the intention of both of them being veteran interior backups

They literally signed 5 interior lineman in the last 5 months. You are correct, there essentially acting like Hill doesn't exist.......

But none of those moves really block Hill if he does develop.

McCoy and Poe will both be in their 30's and on 2 and 3 year deals that are structured so they can be cut after one year if the team wants.

Woods was here before and on a very low cost deal, no way you would let him walk.

Gallimore was a guy they got in the 3rd round when they had a high 2nd round grade on him. Its like the McGovern pick the year before, you pull the trigger on that pick and sort things out later.

Hamilton has 3 tackles in his NFL career, if you look at his stat sheet he has been cut 7 different times by 4 different NFL teams, including the Cowboys.

Tussinman · Jul 6, 2020

Kaiser said:
But none of those moves really block Hill if he does develop.

Um yeah it kinda does. If you go and sign 3 guys that are basically untouchable for a position that might only have 4 open spots then yes that kinda puts a hamper on a young inexperienced player. They basically acted like he wasn't on the team and now it's an extreme uphill battle to get a roster spot (good for the team but bad for him)

CowboysFaninHouston · Jul 6, 2020

Silly said:
How about Dallas feature him in preseason. Let him take down some sacks and then trade him instead of just cutting him?

so two questions

if he is featured and gets sacks, doesn't that make him good, so should we keep him then? :huh:

and if preseason is just a joke, are you the only one in the world who knows that, so your are trying to pull a fast one on other NFL teams? :huh:

Kaiser · Jul 6, 2020

Tussinman said:
Um yeah it kinda does. If you go and sign 3 guys that are basically untouchable for a position that might only have 4 open spots then yes that kinda puts a hamper on a young inexperienced player. They basically acted like he wasn't on the team and now it's an extreme uphill battle to get a roster spot (good for the team but bad for him)

Disagree. Right now Hill is the 5th DT and they normally carry that many. If he develops this year and earns a starting spot for 2021, cutting a guy like Poe (and saving 4MM) isn't going to block Hill if he is playing well. I love Woods but he is already slated to be a backup this year, he isn't going to block Woods if he develops. And if Hill does develop, his physical skills are above average.

jterrell · Jul 6, 2020

The article misses a lot.
1. The roster may be expanded due to COVID.
2. Fan/writer based projections mean nothing to team mgmt.
3. Hill is still younger than most of the team's draftees this year.
4. Hill plays a position that get stronger with age and Dallas has seen Travis Frederick and Connor Williams undergo similar grow up/add strength experiences.
5. Hill's roster making ability likely come down to his work ethic and attitude.

Hill has the widest variance of basically any player on the team.
He could be the 3rd DT and emerge as a long-term keeper or be cut.

Silly · Jul 6, 2020

stasheroo said:
If we know about the player's issues, don't you think the rest of a league paid to know, does?

Charlton was a 1st round pick and the word was out on him. So much so that the Cowboys couldn't get even a conditional 7th rounder for him.

Hill's reputation to this point is far worse.

I would say that is Stephen's Job

CowboysFaninHouston said:
so two questions

if he is featured and gets sacks, doesn't that make him good, so should we keep him then?

and if preseason is just a joke, are you the only one in the world who knows that, so your are trying to pull a fast one on other NFL teams?

exactly! Pull a fast one. Dallas has not done a good job at getting trade value out of players. I am just saying, the front office needs to be better. I dislike that we keep hearing about players just getting cut in Dallas.

Stash · Jul 6, 2020

Silly said:
I would say that is Stephen's Job

Great. Somewhere else he’s failing miserably.

exactly! Pull a fast one. Dallas has not done a good job at getting trade value out of players. I am just saying, the front office needs to be better. I dislike that we keep hearing about players just getting cut in Dallas.

I don’t like it either. Maybe they should stop drafting turds?

75boyz · Jul 6, 2020

stasheroo said:
They should have, but apparently Hill was able to fool Marinelli into taking him at his word rather than going by what his coaches said and felt about him. So much so, that by season's end, even the guy who campaigned to draft him was reportedly "done with him". And now that almost all of the former staff is gone, Hill has few, if any supporters. Therefore, he will have to earn everything he gets, he will either sink or swim based on his own merits, as it should be.

And while I'm hopeful that this young player can turn it around, I'm not optimistic and I expect Hill to go the same route that Taco Charlton did and result in another significant wasted draft commodity.

Add up both Charlton and Hill, and we're talking about getting nothing from 1st and 2nd round picks invested in the defensive line, putting the organization way behind in that area. As a result, it's why they had to pay Lawrence whatever he demanded, and why they've had to go to free agency to sign McCoy and Poe to make up for their misses. And why they continue to roll the dice on reclamation projects like Gregory and Aldon Smith at RDE.

Marinelli's poor evaluations have cost this organization big-time.

Nice post. Good job of tying in how one bad FO decision can lead to a pattern of poor choices if those same decision makers are supported by higher ups and remain in their same positions.

I always envision Marinelli thinking he was trying to duplicate his Tampa defense of Sapp, Rice, Booger, Brooks, Ronde and Lynch.

Just like Jerry's been trying to get his second set of Triplets and clinging to his 500 coaches can coach this team to a title soapbox as long as HE is the one supplying the talent.
It's been this way since 96 for Jerry and 2002 for Rod.

Neither of em has changed his spots thus their lack of team success for those number of years.

Sad but true.

gimmesix · Jul 6, 2020

MonsterD said:
Well there won't be much if any pre-season to evaluate him, if McCarthy has to make a decision it seems easy to me that he needs to be cut. Really should have done that last year, but you know.

I think teams will be given the regular amount of time to evaluate young players. The one difference is that we might not get to see them in preseason games, so what they do in practice would be the determining factor.

I think the league should hold JV-like games, where only the younger players participate in scrimmages against other teams' young players. Even if they just scrimmaged for one quarter after the regular game ended, it would give coaches a chance to better evaluate the young players.

Williamsboys · Jul 6, 2020

How do we have such a poor draft selecting Trysten Hill, then have a really great draft like this years?? It's like Dr Jeckly and Mr Hyde, and Hyde Sucks.

kumizi · Jul 6, 2020

The fact that he barely played as a rookie is not a plus on his side. Maybe to the fans that means he hasn't had a chance to show what he has. By all reports, he was so god awful in practice that they didnt feel comfortable even putting him in the game.

75boyz · Jul 6, 2020

kumizi said:
The fact that he barely played as a rookie is not a plus on his side. Maybe to the fans that means he hasn't had a chance to show what he has. By all reports, he was so god awful in practice that they didnt feel comfortable even putting him in the game.

Yup once they started attaching that infamous title to Taco, ...Only to be followed up by the same with Hill.

Healthy Scratch is never a game day category a player wants to fall under.

Especially as either a First or Second Round choice expected to play and provide an impact.

Not a good sign for Hill to follow in Taco's footsteps in this way to say the least.

His future as a Cowboy is on borrowed time in my opinion.

Sydla · Jul 6, 2020

PJTHEDOORS said:
No way Jerry cuts him unless he's beyond awful.

Depends on numbers. If they carry 5 DTs, he's probably safe. If they carry 4 he's now battling with Woods and Gallimore for those two spots behind Poe and McCoy.

They could stash him on the practice squad, but I suspect someone would take a flier on him.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jul 6, 2020

Silly said:
I would say that is Stephen's Job

exactly! Pull a fast one. Dallas has not done a good job at getting trade value out of players. I am just saying, the front office needs to be better. I dislike that we keep hearing about players just getting cut in Dallas.

pull a fast one? how? that was the question.....like I said, if he performs in preseason, then why not keep him. if he doesn't he is worthless. and if preseason is worthless, are you the only one that knows it? the rest of NFL are a bunch of idiots!!!

Risen Star · Jul 6, 2020

One of the weirdest evaluations this team has made in the last 20 years. Wasn't productive in college, got benched his last season there and it takes you about 30 seconds speaking to him to realize he's got the maturity level of an 8 year old.

kskboys · Jul 6, 2020

Williamsboys said:
How do we have such a poor draft selecting Trysten Hill, then have a really great draft like this years?? It's like Dr Jeckly and Mr Hyde, and Hyde Sucks.

No Marinelli, and Jerry appears to have possibly stepped back. Oh, and you don't have a 1st round talent such as Galley fall into your lap every draft, though we usually ignore it when it does happen. I seriously mark it down to McC being an NFL quality HC.

kskboys · Jul 6, 2020

Risen Star said:
One of the weirdest evaluations this team has made in the last 20 years. Wasn't productive in college, got benched his last season there and it takes you about 30 seconds speaking to him to realize he's got the maturity level of an 8 year old.

He looks "challenged" in the pic provided.

Cannibal_Cowboy · Jul 6, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
That is 99% of the problem. He wasn't expected to walk in and produce. We all knew he was a bit of a project. It was a little disappointing season but not completely unexpected especially considering the Marinelli factor.

Qué?
The whole reason Hill is here in the first place is the Marinelli factor.

cern · Jul 6, 2020

Position change? RDE? stranger things have happened.

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