What longterm Cowboys problems aren’t the fault of Jerry or Garrett?

Simply being a Cowboy is enough for the majority of the players we've had since Jimmy.

Red Dragon said:

The vast majority of blame for Cowboys failure since 1995 has been laid at the feet of Jerry, and with good reason. Garrett, too, played a huge role in the Cowboys failure of 2010-2019.

That being said, though, there have to be some problems that aren't Jerry's fault and lie more with players, staff, or non-Garrett coaches. What might they be?

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None, really.

One of the biggest problems is the players they've passed up chasing after flash, both in the draft and FA.

buybuydandavis said:

I concluded years ago that Jerry calculates winning and losing at his bank, not on the field. If so, he's the reigning world champion of sports entertainment franchise owners, I think around 5 years running. Maybe more.

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And what makes me nauseous about this is Jerry acting like fans are supposed to be grateful for hos money making ability as if it’s similar to winning a real championship. I literally care 0% about the monetary value of this team.

As Herm Edwards famously once said, “You play the game to win”. And I would add that if you win, you will make MORE money anyway. As a fan, I’m waaaaay wore impressed by a Lombardi trophy than a Forbes trophy.

kskboys said:

None, really.

One of the biggest problems is the players they've passed up chasing after flash, both in the draft and FA.

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Jerry has even said he loves the sizzle as much as the steak. Sizzle always sells but it doesn’t always win.

kskboys said:

None, really.

One of the biggest problems is the players they've passed up chasing after flash, both in the draft and FA.

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Or like you and I discussed having backup drafts and passing on players who would have prolonged the winning.

Bobhaze said:

Who is MORE responsible....

• The gun or the man firing it?
• The car or the person driving it?
• The puppet or the puppeteer?
• The soldier fighting in a losing battle or the general who drew up the plans?
• Food or the fat man eating it?
• Alcohol or the drunk?
  
• The dog who escaped the yard and bites someone or the owner who neglected the fence?

MOST importantly....who is more responsible for the Cowboys near quarter century lack of playoff success?

• Is it the 5 head coaches in the last 24 years, or the ONE owner/President/GM/Chief Jock officer who is most responsible?

There is no one but Jerral Wayne Jones to place responsibility on for any of results this team has had.

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True, and now I am wondering if jerry actually inspects the jocks, and socks to make sure they are up to the task at hand??

Red Dragon said:

The vast majority of blame for Cowboys failure since 1995 has been laid at the feet of Jerry, and with good reason. Garrett, too, played a huge role in the Cowboys failure of 2010-2019.

That being said, though, there have to be some problems that aren't Jerry's fault and lie more with players, staff, or non-Garrett coaches. What might they be?

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Red-- i even thought world hunger was the fault of Jerry and Garrett..Hmmm

Dez caught it?

If there is a long term problem that isn't Jerry's fault then Jerry is doing a bad job. When the buck stops with you, you get all the blame.

robjay04 said:

Dez caught it!

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FIFY

It makes me nonevermind.

Red Dragon said:

The vast majority of blame for Cowboys failure since 1995 has been laid at the feet of Jerry, and with good reason. Garrett, too, played a huge role in the Cowboys failure of 2010-2019.

That being said, though, there have to be some problems that aren't Jerry's fault and lie more with players, staff, or non-Garrett coaches. What might they be?

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All faults stem from Jerry. Every. Single. One. Garrett was Jerry’s creation. Jerry bears 100 pct of the blame for hiring and then keeping Garrett around way too long. To me culture and hubris are the biggest problems here and they are really, really hard to fix. They come directly from Jerry and the Jones family.

The notion that "Jerry doesn't want to win; he only wants money" is absurd. Winning is the best way to make money.

Now, you can argue that Jerry doesn't know how to win, and that would be a fair argument. But the notion that Jerry doesn't want to win is completely ridiculous on its face.

If you get a lousy hot dog at a game maybe?

Red Dragon said:

The notion that "Jerry doesn't want to win; he only wants money" is absurd. Winning is the best way to make money.

Now, you can argue that Jerry doesn't know how to win, and that would be a fair argument. But the notion that Jerry doesn't want to win is completely ridiculous on its face.

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Jerry has made a killing fielding 500 football teams. He just has to not lose consistently

Red Dragon said:

The notion that "Jerry doesn't want to win; he only wants money" is absurd. Winning is the best way to make money.

Now, you can argue that Jerry doesn't know how to win, and that would be a fair argument. But the notion that Jerry doesn't want to win is completely ridiculous on its face.

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I am so glad someone posted this thread and it has gotten some traction. If there was a way to look at the majority of of a forum members posts and summarize them.. what would pop out for me is that Jerry does not care about winning a SB.
He really and truly does not care about Lombardi trophies like us fans do.
He has three rings, he is a HOF'er, he is on all the relevant NFL committees. He purchased the team for 150 million dollars and now they have a book value of over 5 billion, but lets say Bezos wants to buy the Cowboys he, would probably have to spend 6.5 to 7 for this franchise. Just think about that profit.
Jerry already makes more profit than any NFL team, more cash flow. From a financial perspective he is the most successful owner in the league.
Jerry's only goal is to be the greatest show on Earth. He does not want to bottom out. He is fine being between 7-9 and 10-6 every year. Good enough to be competing for a playoff spot, he wants Stephen A , saying the Cowboys will find a way to lose. He wants Skip and Shannon losing their minds talking about Dak, Dallas, Zeke. SNF will move the Cowboy game to Sunday night where we play the Giants, or Eagles and a playoff spot is on the line.
The one time we bottomed out was when we lost to the expansion Texans back in their first game. The David Carr, tape around his wedding ring game. That was the bottom of the barrel, Parcels was hired after that season.
Now if Jerry wanted to win, if I was in Jerry's position, what would any sane person do if they wanted to win?
I would have a board room full of the smartest guys and gals running analytics, running the draft. I would hire the best coaches, best assistants. The one place there is no salary cap is the front office and coaching. We are not Cincy or the Raiders, or the Bills. Each team has the same salary cap but not the same amount of revenue and cash flow.
Jerry would rather have 25 years of mediocrity than deflate his ego to win SB's. That is the reason why he would fire a back to back SB winning coach. My blood boils everytime I think about that this man has done for this franchise.
For all the fans who worship Jerry, please open your eyes and see what he has done to this organization. This owner has been the GM since 1994 and what have we won? Please dont bring up the 1995 SB, that was not Jerry. That team was running on the fumes of Jimmy Johnson, every player to a man will tell you that.
Be prepared if you do a honest evaluation this team has not won a divisional playoff game since January 1996 against the Eagles then they beat the Packers in the Championship game.
What were you doing in 1996? What was the world like in 1996? This is not America's team. Jerry and the lack of a culture is what is wrong with this team.
100% of the blame goes on Jerry because he is the root cause of the Cowboys team culture, lack of accountability.
Of course Jerry has gotten better with drafting, and free agency, but the constant reality show culture is what the problem is and the past 25 years clearly shows that.
I believe in the NFC the only other teams not to make a Championship game are the Lions and Commanders...

Bobhaze said:

Who is MORE responsible....

• The gun or the man firing it?
• The car or the person driving it?
• The puppet or the puppeteer?
• The soldier fighting in a losing battle or the general who drew up the plans?
• Food or the fat man eating it?
• Alcohol or the drunk?
  
• The dog who escaped the yard and bites someone or the owner who neglected the fence?

MOST importantly....who is more responsible for the Cowboys near quarter century lack of playoff success?

• Is it the 5 head coaches in the last 24 years, or the ONE owner/President/GM/Chief Jock officer who is most responsible?

There is no one but Jerral Wayne Jones to place responsibility on for any of results this team has had.

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I think we can end the discussion right here. Perfectly stated.

The only specifics I can point to are:
- Michael Irvin going down (alas, for good) early in 1999, which made a great offense merely a decent offense. That 99 team was going places. Sigh.
- T.O. getting dinged up at the end of the 2007 season, which limited the offense (people forget this)
- Romo getting hurt in 2008 when they jumped out to a 3-0 start and looked like one of the best teams in the NFL

Everything before, between and after lays at the feet of Jerry in terms of off the field decisions, and Garrett with on the field decisions.

Jerry receives the credit and the blame.

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