Trade Zeke

Corso · Jul 7, 2020

aria said:
As soon as I saw this response I had to click “show ignored content” because I had a feeling I knew exactly who you were talking to and I was right. You’ll eventually get tired of killing brain cells with that dude, do yourself a favor and put him on ignore.

You can see who ignores who?
I am so curious now...
I know of six on me.
Maybe some of them opened back up... That would be cool.

aria · Jul 7, 2020

Corso said:
You can see who ignores who?
I am so curious now...
I know of six on me.
Maybe some of them opened back up... That would be cool.

I can still see posts from people who have ignored me but they won’t see mine. So in other words, I may be responding to people who have me on ignore, and I don’t know it, so they don’t even see my response and vice versa. You can click on “show ignored content” on the bottom right of your screen if someone you have put on ignore responds in that thread.

Corso · Jul 7, 2020

aria said:
I can still see posts from people who have ignored me but they won’t see mine. So in other words, I may be responding to people who have me on ignore, and I don’t know it, so they don’t even see my response and vice versa. You can click on “show ignored content” on the bottom right of your screen if someone you have put on ignore responds in that thread.

Gotcha. I've never ignored anyone. Good info! Thank you.

fivetwos · Jul 7, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
What is it you disagree with? If you are going to pretend to by objective and mature...why not give a fair mature reply of what you really think?

Instead you give about the same reply as what you criticize. Nothing.

But hey!....Outstanding, well thought out, intelligent response. Great job! Keep up the good work.

I uhhh...said his contract was structured poorly from a team standpoint when someone else suggested cutting him.

You fired back with some nonsense. I don't mean something I didnt agree with, I mean true nonsense.

AKATheRake · Jul 7, 2020

Best all around RB in the league.

Teams game plan for him and they know what he can do.

Believe me, the opposition is not saying Zeke isn't hungry.

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 8, 2020

AKATheRake said:
Best all around RB in the league.

Teams game plan for him and they know what he can do.

Believe me, the opposition is not saying Zeke isn't hungry.

I wish the 1st and 3rd sentence were true, teams game plan for every single player on both sides so I guess that is true although it doesn't mean anything.

aria · Jul 8, 2020

LatinMind said:
See this shows that you lack reading comprehension. Because ive stated why i dont think the OL was number 2. And it has nothing to do with the unit. And i dont discredit stats, that come with context.

My respect for Elliot comes because he's a RB who doesnt have to come off the field. There isnt a RB in the league who does that except for him. I talk about his 1300 yrds 12 td yr because it says just how good he is doing that when opposing defense know the plays. See me pointing out the incompetent coaching is what you call context. Not just throwing out a stat and saying here you go the points proven. The coaching put the OL and Elliot and Dak in a hole because they refused to adjust in game. They had their plays and said im going to keep calling the game like this and thats that.

Players and coaches interviews post game back up everything im typing. You just refuse to accept it because your stubborn.

There isn’t a RB in the league who does what the ewok does became of the play calling, not because other RB’s can’t handle it. And actually you’re wrong anyways, Henry had more carries than zeke and there are several others within 10-20 attempts. Then you have McCaffrey who had a lot more total yards than zeke and well over twice the receptions as zeke. Please spare me your crap, you claim you bring context but you don’t bring facts.

Barkley and several other RB’s are out there just as much as zeke and are having to work a lot harder due to their O lines but you want to ignore that as well because it doesn’t support your stance.

You say the coaching put zeke and dak in a hole yet the team had more yards than any other. Without the play calling, and the o line, zeke would have never had those rushing titles and you wouldn’t be able to claim “there isn’t another RB in the league who does that”. You contradict yourself a lot because you either ignore facts or because you throw out some much crap you can’t keep up with your own distorted “context”.

SteveTheCowboy · Jul 8, 2020

fivetwos said:
I uhhh...said his contract was structured poorly from a team standpoint when someone else suggested cutting him.

You fired back with some nonsense. I don't mean something I didnt agree with, I mean true nonsense.

I admit to using some hyperbole...which apparently masked my point to you.

What point?, you ask. If we actually start winning things....even a Super bowl perhaps? And zeke continues to be a top RB....(I kinda doubt rushing champ....with all the offensive weapons this team has now)...then I doubt we sit here debating how horrible contracts are. Winning changes things.
If that is nonsense to you, so be it.

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 8, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
I admit to using some hyperbole...which apparently masked my point to you.

What point?, you ask. If we actually start winning things....even a Super bowl perhaps? And zeke continues to be a top RB....(I kinda doubt rushing champ....with all the offensive weapons this team has now)...then I doubt we sit here debating how horrible contracts are. Winning changes things.
If that is nonsense to you, so be it.

Winning doesn't make a bad contract any less bad, just means you have to get even better value out of your other player's contracts.

Let's hope Zeke gets back to being a top RB like he was in 2016, although RBs dont move the needle on winning games anyways.

SteveTheCowboy · Jul 8, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Winning doesn't make a bad contract any less bad, just means you have to get even better value out of your other player's contracts.

Let's hope Zeke gets back to being a top RB like he was in 2016, although RBs dont move the needle on winning games anyways.

I think they do. 2016 is proof. Ball control. Keep the opposing offense off the field and your defense fresh. It's why I don;t buy the "zeke don't have big plays"......well yes he does, but grinding it out ain't a bad way to go either...*IF* you score TD's. But yes....hoping zeke can find his groove earlier and often. Stupid virus ain;t helping.

Edit: And I never said it's suddenly NOT a "bad contract" (not sure it is....it's an opinion thing. Moot). But winning gives people an opportunity to stop beeching all the time. Well most people.

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 8, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
I think they do. 2016 is proof. Ball control. Keep the opposing offense off the field and your defense fresh. It's why I don;t buy the "zeke don't have big plays"......well yes he does, but grinding it out ain't a bad way to go either...*IF* you score TD's. But yes....hoping zeke can find his groove earlier and often. Stupid virus ain;t helping.

Edit: And I never said it's suddenly NOT a "bad contract" (not sure it is....it's an opinion thing. Moot). But winning gives people an opportunity to stop beeching all the time. Well most people.

They don't. Ball control can be done with a plethora of RBs, it's almost entirely determined by the play design and the talent around them.
2016 is proof. Same RB, different results.

Crazed Liotta Eyes · Jul 8, 2020

Corso said:
You can see who ignores who?
I am so curious now...
I know of six on me.
Maybe some of them opened back up... That would be cool.

LOL, six have put you on ignore? If you can't get along with Corso, I don't know what to say. I don't know who has me there but maybe a few because I don't really need to argue at this point in my life.

To try and stay on topic, no we can't trade Zeke right now from a salary cap standpoint.

fivetwos · Jul 8, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
I admit to using some hyperbole...which apparently masked my point to you.

What point?, you ask. If we actually start winning things....even a Super bowl perhaps? And zeke continues to be a top RB....(I kinda doubt rushing champ....with all the offensive weapons this team has now)...then I doubt we sit here debating how horrible contracts are. Winning changes things.
If that is nonsense to you, so be it.

Theres a lot to be said here, none of which was brought up in any of my posts here (such as the behavior of the guy...there's plenty of NFL players that manage to stay out of the spotlight in a negative way)....however...

Call me selfish, but I look forward to the day my RB doesnt do dumb crap like make some spoon feeding gesture toward his head when it's his 2nd or 3rd decent carry of the entire game, and it's the 3rd quarter, and we are losing.

Let's go ahead and incite the opposition, all the while him being on a team that routinely underachives.

I neither like nor appreciate it. If you do, fine.

As far as your point, I root for him hard every week because of the uniform he wears, and if the team happens to win, no, I won't be in a spot where I like the guy any more than I do now as a result.

I wish the contract was structured so he wasnt guaranteed to be here another three years no matter what him or the team does.

I can find a running back anywhere. He isnt all that special anymore. The spoon feed thing is an embarrassment to everyone every time he does it.

SteveTheCowboy · Jul 8, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
They don't. Ball control can be done with a plethora of RBs, it's almost entirely determined by the play design and the talent around them.
2016 is proof. Same RB, different results.

Sorry.....I can;t get on board with this. You are saying here are no "exceptional" backs now or ever? You just pick up any rb and just doesn't matter?

Here's where you cite a certain team and/or certain year that had success. Cherry picking.

SteveTheCowboy · Jul 8, 2020

fivetwos said:
Theres a lot to be said here, none of which was brought up in any of my posts here (such as the behavior of the guy...there's plenty of NFL players that manage to stay out of the spotlight in a negative way)....however...

Call me selfish, but I look forward to the day my RB doesnt do dumb crap like make some spoon feeding gesture toward his head when it's his 2nd or 3rd decent carry of the entire game, and it's the 3rd quarter, and we are losing.

Let's go ahead and incite the opposition, all the while him being on a team that routinely underachives.

I neither like nor appreciate it. If you do, fine.

As far as your point, I root for him hard every week because of the uniform he wears, and if the team happens to win, no, I won't be in a spot where I like the guy any more than I do now as a result.

I wish the contract was structured so he wasnt guaranteed to be here another three years no matter what him or the team does.

I can find a running back anywhere. He isnt all that special anymore. The spoon feed thing is an embarrassment to everyone every time he does it.

Okay...but I think you should have told me how you really feel!

Thomas82 · Jul 11, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
SOrry...he's here for 2 years.

He'll be here longer than that.

Cowboyny · Jul 12, 2020

In my opinion, this trade Zeke discussion is comical. The Cowboy Front Office built their entire offense around Zeke Elliot. Until last year when the offense featured more of a passing attack, Zeke has carried this offense. We can debate where we would rank him, but you don't trade away an elite running back at the age of just 24 who has never missed a game due to injury. His numbers to date are hall of fame level through his first 4 seasons.

After what was just said, who is replacing Elliot as the starter? Pollard? A player who didn't even start on his college team. People thought Kamara would light the world on fire after the Saints allowed Ingram to leave via fa, Kamara just had his worst season as a pro last year. Trading Zeke is complete non-sense!!

SteveTheCowboy · Jul 12, 2020

Cowboyny said:
In my opinion, this trade Zeke discussion is comical. The Cowboy Front Office built their entire offense around Zeke Elliot. Until last year when the offense featured more of a passing attack, Zeke has carried this offense. We can debate where we would rank him, but you don't trade away an elite running back at the age of just 24 who has never missed a game due to injury. His numbers to date are hall of fame level through his first 4 seasons.

After what was just said, who is replacing Elliot as the starter? Pollard? A player who didn't even start on his college team. People thought Kamara would light the world on fire after the Saints allowed Ingram to leave via fa, Kamara just had his worst season as a pro last year. Trading Zeke is complete non-sense!!

I think zeke was picked to give Romo a big weapon. And make a super bowl run. But...as fate would have it, Dak got it. Asking a mid-pick rookie to make the run instead? Out of superstition? Odd.

I don't think the offense was "built" for Zeke. Without Romo in there it just happened that way.

Flamma · Jul 12, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
I admit to using some hyperbole...which apparently masked my point to you.

What point?, you ask. If we actually start winning things....even a Super bowl perhaps? And zeke continues to be a top RB....(I kinda doubt rushing champ....with all the offensive weapons this team has now)...then I doubt we sit here debating how horrible contracts are. Winning changes things.
If that is nonsense to you, so be it.

A bad contract is bad whether you win or not. I'm of the opinion Zeke's contract isn't bad. Others disagree. The Cowboys have an out in 2023, how bad can it be? But you can't really get rid of him before that.

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