Cowboys Cap Space for 2021

OmerV

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If we could customize, mine would say well endowed instead of well known.
LOL. Some could be well pickled, or well preserved or well connected …. I think you got dibs on the best variation though.
 

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Provided Dak is the Cowboys QB there's no doubt his contract will eat up most of the free cap space in 2021. Yes there are some guys who will not be back at CB, S, DE, and LB that are likely to create holes, but will they be impactful losses? I think all the free agent starters have potential to be good contributors, but have any shown they will be impact players?

CB: Awuzie and Lewis- I like both players and think they have potential to turn into good players. However, they haven't shown that yet or just haven't gotten the opportunity. Maybe one or both emerge this year and it becomes difficult to keep them, but at this moment they would be mid-tier free agents. If Diggs and Robinson emerge as capable starters it will be a mute point.

DE: Biggest mystery going into this season too. Bunch of young guys and two high potential players that can't stay on the field. Gregory should qualify as a restricted free agent next year so likely gets a tender if he shows something. Aldon Smith is a flyer at this point and is likely a 1 year rental. Probably becomes a higher draft priority.

S: I would venture to guess Woods or Clinton-Dix are back. Both are quality starters but neither has elevated their game to be considered a top safety. Unless that changes the market is likely to be softer.
 

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At least he is trying to learn, cant knock effort.
In 2 years, he might have over 10k posts and be a well known member himself.

The problem is he learned to a point, but then insisted he then knew all and when posters tried to explain some additional points he just ignored those points and took a superior attitude with some really juvenile efforts at sarcasm.
 

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I tried to explain to him yesterday that there are maneuvers the Cowboys can make to create cap space, and though he was unable to dispute that he is still more interested in playing the know it all than having reasonable discussion. If he can’t dispute it, he ignores. Sadly, some aren’t interested in reasonable discussion. The guy actually contends the “well known member” status on our signature is something we all collectively chose to call ourselves rather than it coming from the website.

You didnt explain what the Cowboys could do. There was more optioned detailed in the OP.

All you reverted to was .... you cant work out what the Cap will be in 2021.

Unlike other sites, there's just no actual discussion on the issues, hence all you have are continued inflammatory threads to goad some response.

I dont contend that the status is collectively chosen, i'd actually contend that persons have multiple personae.





 

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LOL. Some could be well pickled, or well preserved or well connected …. I think you got dibs on the best variation though.

On second thought I want to change my answer to "well pickled".
 

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Looking for some clarity on roughly how much we have available to spend in 2021.

I'm new to NFL finances, but cannot accept some posts that say that "we dont know"....every business has an an idea.

Using OVER THE CAP, this is what I think we've got (will have):

1) 2020 - we've under spent by $11.25m which can be carried over to 2021.

2) The CAP is calculated each March, based on 48% of certain NFL revenues.

3) Before the virus hit, OVER THE CAP calculated that there would be an increase of $17m in 2021 to $215m

4) Using these pre virus calculations, we only have $36m (plus whatever's carried over of the 2020 $11m).

5) Whilst some positions can possibly be filled in the draft, we are lacking:
- 2 Safeties
- 3 LB's (hoping Gifford develops)
- 2 CB's
-1 Center
- 2 DE's
-2 QB's

All out of the $47m........is that basically correct?

I appreciate the following but is it wishful thinking?
- Extend but aging contracts (Martin / Smith) until they're in the late 30,s
- Restructure bad contracts (guaranteeing money to DLaw/Zeke and Coops)
- Release bad contracts - cant happen in 2021 .... the cheapest would be Zeke (Dead Money = $13m)
- Deferred contracts to FA's - BUT ..... limited CAP Space (with increases) 2022 = $54m and 2023 = $84m (last in the NFL)
1/2 of my length of time as a sports fan was before you had to know all this, and half since. I refuse to allow my entertainment of watching sports move into the category where my finances, investments and job is. Not that I dont like numbers but its important to me to keep my experience as a sports fan away from calculators and spreadsheets. And more importantly I have noticed time and time again when people are saying this team has no cap room, they find a way or this team is going to be strapped for the next few years, turns out to not be true.
 

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How on earth can you figure out what the salary cap is for next year when they don't even know if they'll have a season. And if they do it will more than likely take a hit to their concessions?
In normal times it’s fairly easy to get a close calculation
In these times it’s impossible
And barring any added money there is little doubt it will drop significantly
Now, I expect it to be propped up but to assume any increase is at the very least, premature and extremely optimistic
 

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You didnt explain what the Cowboys could do. There was more optioned detailed in the OP.

All you reverted to was .... you cant work out what the Cap will be in 2021.

Unlike other sites, there's just no actual discussion on the issues, hence all you have are continued inflammatory threads to goad some response.

I dont contend that the status is collectively chosen, i'd actually contend that persons have multiple personae.
This is false commentary. You couldn’t accept there were things you didn’t know. As I said before, the one thing you can be sure of with a person who claims to be all knowing is that he is not. I would expect more from a so called ACTIVE MEMBER.
 
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On second thought I want to change my answer to "well pickled".
What about “well oiled” or “well done” or “well lubed”? Maybe “we’ll liked”, and we could throw you a party?
 

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In normal times it’s fairly easy to get a close calculation
In these times it’s impossible
And barring any added money there is little doubt it will drop significantly
Now, I expect it to be propped up but to assume any increase is at the very least, premature and extremely optimistic



So OVER THE CAP predicted (Before Covid) that the projected increase in 2021 would be $17m, to $215m.

You state "there is little doubt it will drop significantly" therefore the CAP is likely to be lower than $215m.

As mentioned, we have $11m that can be carried over.

Deducting the contracts already commited this leaves $47m - for Free Agents.

The reason for the thread is to highlight the limited available CAP for next season - $47m is the high point and from your own admission it'll probably be lower.


 

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Looking for some clarity on roughly how much we have available to spend in 2021.

I'm new to NFL finances, but cannot accept some posts that say that "we dont know"....every business has an an idea.

Using OVER THE CAP, this is what I think we've got (will have):

1) 2020 - we've under spent by $11.25m which can be carried over to 2021.

2) The CAP is calculated each March, based on 48% of certain NFL revenues.

3) Before the virus hit, OVER THE CAP calculated that there would be an increase of $17m in 2021 to $215m

4) Using these pre virus calculations, we only have $36m (plus whatever's carried over of the 2020 $11m).

5) Whilst some positions can possibly be filled in the draft, we are lacking:
- 2 Safeties
- 3 LB's (hoping Gifford develops)
- 2 CB's
-1 Center
- 2 DE's
-2 QB's

All out of the $47m........is that basically correct?

I appreciate the following but is it wishful thinking?
- Extend but aging contracts (Martin / Smith) until they're in the late 30,s
- Restructure bad contracts (guaranteeing money to DLaw/Zeke and Coops)
- Release bad contracts - cant happen in 2021 .... the cheapest would be Zeke (Dead Money = $13m)
- Deferred contracts to FA's - BUT ..... limited CAP Space (with increases) 2022 = $54m and 2023 = $84m (last in the NFL)

Your roster analysis is way off base. Those positions are not all created equally.

Woods, LVE, Smith, Diggs, Brown, Williams, McGovern, Biadasz, DLaw, and Gregory under contract for next season. Most of those spots you would have us worry about are going to be backup slots and not requiring premium investments to address.
 

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So OVER THE CAP predicted (Before Covid) that the projected increase in 2021 would be $17m, to $215m.

You state "there is little doubt it will drop significantly" therefore the CAP is likely to be lower than $215m.

As mentioned, we have $11m that can be carried over.

Deducting the contracts already commited this leaves $47m - for Free Agents.

The reason for the thread is to highlight the limited available CAP for next season - $47m is the high point and from your own admission it'll probably be lower.

My guess is the cap will stay the same and just not go up
Revenue will undoubtedly go down
But you can’t really lower the cap so I suspect they do something like borrowing from future years
Projection for next year are generally high because they don’t include a large number of players
In our case they don’t include the most expensive spot on the roster
 

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Cowboys have 10 total picks next year (1-7 and then three comp picks in round 3-5). They will need to hit on those first 5-7 picks. After signing Dak and the rookie class they will likely only be able to afford minimum contracts. They may end up having to restructure a contract but they should be fine.
 

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Your roster analysis is way off base. Those positions are not all created equally.

Woods, LVE, Smith, Diggs, Brown, Williams, McGovern, Biadasz, DLaw, and Gregory under contract for next season. Most of those spots you would have us worry about are going to be backup slots and not requiring premium investments to address.

First mistake: Woods, Smith and Gregory aren't under contract.
 

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My guess is the cap will stay the same and just not go up
Revenue will undoubtedly go down
But you can’t really lower the cap so I suspect they do something like borrowing from future years
Projection for next year are generally high because they don’t include a large number of players
In our case they don’t include the most expensive spot on the roster

OK, so using that criteria you CAN work out a projected CAP figure.

We'd have - $19m (+ whatever we carry over from 2020, atm $11M)

= CAP SPACE= maximum of $30m ............Without signing DAK, or any other Free Agent.
 

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Looking for some clarity on roughly how much we have available to spend in 2021.

I'm new to NFL finances, but cannot accept some posts that say that "we dont know"....every business has an an idea.
Viola!!! I truly appreciate full disclosure posts. Especially game day meals.

If you really want a thorough understanding of NFL finances specifically the CBA contract within the NFL Management Council, I'd advise you put some $$ in the game hire a Lawyer whom deals in constructing, defending and opposing the deals.

If you don't have the $$ realize we've had these same arguments on this forum and many other platforms for years.

If they added my likes prior to my Lazarus moment (I have been banned ) I'd probably be a GOD FATHER MEMBER:flagwave:


The NFL salary Cap is a self imposed cost control mechanism.

The Owners are only required to spent 90% of total Cap. Smart business. But the players are the business and they will always want more for bearing the biggest sacrifice body and lives.

Cowboys Cap relief and constraints will not solely be affected by Dak Prescott's contract even if miraculously Jerry let his balls hang and gives Dak $40M avg $160M 4yrs fully gtd.:omg:

But I digress, Cap relief or constraints is triggered by boom or bust draft picks, boom or bust free agents, injuries, horrible or good coaching, New TV deal 2022 etc
Blaming a mythical Cap constraint in 2021 or 2024 on Dak is a clear sign you are oblivious of how NFL finances work. Smart GMs seem to always find a way out.

Cap Hell is a Trojan horse pushed by cheap owners and dumb GMs to "active members" touche:huh:
 
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Looking for some clarity on roughly how much we have available to spend in 2021.

I'm new to NFL finances, but cannot accept some posts that say that "we dont know"....every business has an an idea.

Using OVER THE CAP, this is what I think we've got (will have):

1) 2020 - we've under spent by $11.25m which can be carried over to 2021.

2) The CAP is calculated each March, based on 48% of certain NFL revenues.

3) Before the virus hit, OVER THE CAP calculated that there would be an increase of $17m in 2021 to $215m

4) Using these pre virus calculations, we only have $36m (plus whatever's carried over of the 2020 $11m).

5) Whilst some positions can possibly be filled in the draft, we are lacking:
- 2 Safeties
- 3 LB's (hoping Gifford develops)
- 2 CB's
-1 Center
- 2 DE's
-2 QB's

All out of the $47m........is that basically correct?

I appreciate the following but is it wishful thinking?
- Extend but aging contracts (Martin / Smith) until they're in the late 30,s
- Restructure bad contracts (guaranteeing money to DLaw/Zeke and Coops)
- Release bad contracts - cant happen in 2021 .... the cheapest would be Zeke (Dead Money = $13m)
- Deferred contracts to FA's - BUT ..... limited CAP Space (with increases) 2022 = $54m and 2023 = $84m (last in the NFL)

Of course businesses have an idea where things sit as things are today, and the Cowboys are no different. But the point of knowing is to react it it, and make adjustments to the plan as needed. Making adjustments, as needed, is essential for all businesses in all industries, and as things are today we cannot say what adjustments, if any, the Cowboys will make.

Every year fans across the NFL talk about what their team can and cannot afford, and every year there are teams that find ways to make adjustments and sign players others didn’t think they would be able to.

I know you want to see the future as set and black and white, but that’s not reality in the NFL or any other business. Teams make moves and adjustments every year. Sometimes the adjustments are subtle, like a restructure of a mid level contract, and sometimes more drastic, Iike when teams dump high dollar contracts through trades and cuts the way the Jets and a few others have done in recent years. It’s just part of doing business in the NFL.
 
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Of course businesses have an idea where things sit as things are today, and the Cowboys are no different. But the point of knowing is to react it it, and make adjustments to the plan as needed. Making adjustments, as needed, is essential for all businesses in all industries, and as things are today we cannot say what adjustments, if any, the Cowboys will make.

Every year fans across the NFL talk about what their team can and cannot afford, and every year there are teams that find ways to make adjustments and sign players others didn’t think they would be able to.

I know you want to see the future as set and black and white, but that’s not reality in the NFL or any other business. Teams make moves and adjustments every year. Sometimes the adjustments are subtle, like a restructure of a mid level contract, and sometimes more drastic, Iike when teams dump high dollar contracts through trades and cuts the way the Jets and a few others have done in recent years. It’s just part of doing business in the NFL.
Good job Well Known Member
 
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