The One Cowboy Ex-Player You Find It Hard to Forgive

glimmerman · Jul 10, 2020

Dallasfann said:
Patrick Crayton is THE only answer for this thread. He lost a divisional game all by himself. I get sick when I think of his performance in that game.

Our Defense let off towards the end of the first half also. I think there TE made a huge play we let go.

eromeopolk · Jul 10, 2020

dckid said:
You are actually cherry picking the good December and playoff run he had.
Romo had a nice long career in Dallas, he just never won or delivered a signature win for us. Not one Divisional playoff win, not even reaching a championship game. Let me reiterate I am not talking Super Bowls, as we know they are not easy and there is only one winner. Put the team in a position to compete for one is what I ask.
The Cowboys during Romo's tenure had several opportunities to make a deep playoff run, but they didnt.
You can say player X was good but also did not deliver any playoff success. That is what I am saying and that is why he is the most disappointing player for me.
I don't care about a receiver who dropped a pass in one game because that is one play it is not a systemic thing.

Look at the Cowboys for the 70's, yeah we only won 2 of 5 SB's but they were practically one of the 4 to 5 teams that would make or win the SB for that time frame. Looking back to wikipedia, they made 7 of 9 championship games, 70-78. Then three straight 80-82.
Same with the Niners in the 80's, Skins somewhat in the 80's

You are right to list Romo as a ex Cowboy you find hard to forgive.

Don't try to argue with a fool. He has expert experience in a area you do not of being, saying and doing foolish things.

Romo wasted an NFL record 13 Pro Bowler in 2007 because he wanted to go hopping in Cabo with Jessica Rabbit instead of preparing. He is as guilty as OBJ hanging out in Miami before a playoff game. Romo had numerous chances with numerous winning possibilities and did not deliver. Why he is considered better than Danny White and Craig Morton who actually got the Cowboys to NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl is beyond reasonable and prudent thought.

So don't try to argue with the expert view and experience of a fool.

Red Dragon · Jul 10, 2020

^^^^ Ever tried looking in the mirror?

eromeopolk · Jul 10, 2020

INCowboysFan said:
Ken Norton, Jr. was a key member of our defense on back to back super bowl champion teams, then leaves if FA to go the the 9ers of all teams.

Blame Jerry Jones and the firing of Jimmy Johnson for Norton and Gogan leaving.

Dallasfann · Jul 10, 2020

glimmerman said:
Our Defense let off towards the end of the first half also. I think there TE made a huge play we let go.

Our defense **** the bed for sure at the end of the half but I'd go as far to say that a wide receiver is the sole reason we lost a playoff game. The 3rd and 14 at the end of the 3rd quarter when we were up 3 where he dropped that pass was by far the biggest mistake. We punted right after that and the Giants returned it to our 30 yard line. That in itself was in my opinion a 10 point swing. What's even more sad is how good Romo played and idiots out there still believe he was a choke artist. Dude was money in the clutch. Not one player ever helped him win any playoff game. Not one single player ever made a play for him. Dez drop, Patrick Crayton sucking. Nobody. Not one single player defense or offense helped him out in a big game.

glimmerman · Jul 10, 2020

Dallasfann said:
Our defense **** the bed for sure at the end of the half but I'd go as far to say that a wide receiver is the sole reason we lost a playoff game. The 3rd and 14 at the end of the 3rd quarter when we were up 3 where he dropped that pass was by far the biggest mistake. We punted right after that and the Giants returned it to our 30 yard line. That in itself was in my opinion a 10 point swing. What's even more sad is how good Romo played and idiots out there still believe he was a choke artist. Dude was money in the clutch.

That drop made me sick. I don’t know if crayton was hearing footsteps (no one was around him) or trying to run with it before he caught it. Or wondering what TD celebration to do. It was 6 on the board and we start to take the game. I really thought we were going that year. Like the murray fumble in the packers playoff game. Total swing of a game.

eromeopolk · Jul 10, 2020

Red Dragon said:
^^^^ Ever tried looking in the mirror?

You better not jump froggy in a fight you don't belong or a fight you cannot win. You will have the same success as this mirror looker...

OmerV · Jul 10, 2020

eromeopolk said:
You are right to list Romo as a ex Cowboy you find hard to forgive.

Don't try to argue with a fool. He has expert experience in a area you do not of being, saying and doing foolish things.

Romo wasted an NFL record 13 Pro Bowler in 2007 because he wanted to go hopping in Cabo with Jessica Rabbit instead of preparing. He is as guilty as OBJ hanging out in Miami before a playoff game. Romo had numerous chances with numerous winning possibilities and did not deliver. Why he is considered better than Danny White and Craig Morton who actually got the Cowboys to NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl is beyond reasonable and prudent thought.

So don't try to argue with the expert view and experience of a fool.

The Cabo thing is way overblown. Granted the optics weren't good, but those were planned team days off, not practice days where they were supposed to be on the practice field or working on game plans.

As for Morton and White, I hold both in high regard, and neither should be disregarded in discussions about Cowboy QB's, but in fairness they both inherited much better teams than Romo did, and neither had any sustained success beyond the year or few years after inheriting those teams. Romo, did, however, as you indicated, fail to win in the playoffs, so that's a mark against him, although as always it's fair to note that success and failure is not entirely on the QB.

I don't see what there is to forgive with any of them though. They all worked hard and played hard and came up short. It happens all the time - it's the nature of sports. Success isn't supposed to be guaranteed for anyone or any team.

Dallasfann · Jul 10, 2020

glimmerman said:
That drop made me sick. I don’t know if crayton was hearing footsteps (no one was around him) or trying to run with it before he caught it. Or wondering what TD celebration to do. It was 6 on the board and we start to take the game. I really thought we were going that year. Like the murray fumble in the packers playoff game. Total swing of a game.

Man that Murray fumble...uck. Like I said, no player ever made a play for Romo his entire career. He made some mistakes sure, but he never once got bailed out of a situation in any big game ever. Think of all the big plays that Eli got helped out with or Brady and really any Superbowl winners in history.

glimmerman · Jul 10, 2020

OmerV said:
The Cabo thing is way overblown. Granted the optics weren't good, but those were planned team days off, not practice days where they were supposed to be on the practice field or working on game plans.

As for Morton and White, I hold both in high regard, and neither should be disregarded in discussions about Cowboy QB's, but in fairness they both inherited much better teams than Romo did, and neither had any sustained success beyond the year or few years after inheriting those teams. Romo, did, however, as you indicated, fail to win in the playoffs, so that's a mark against him, although as always it's fair to note that success and failure is not entirely on the QB.

I don't see what there is to forgive with any of them though. They all worked hard and played hard and came up short. It happens all the time - it's the nature of sports. Success isn't supposed to be guaranteed for anyone or any team.

Optics were really bad. And we lost. The giants WR did something similar and they lost. Lol. Stay at home guys and girls...

glimmerman · Jul 10, 2020

Dallasfann said:
Man that Murray fumble...uck. Like I said, no player ever made a play for Romo his entire career. He made some mistakes sure, but he never once got bailed out of a situation in any big game ever. Think of all the big plays that Eli got helped out with or Brady and really any Superbowl winners in history.

Only one I can think of was on Defense. D-Law with those sacks to put the lions game away. Did it remind you of Ware.

eromeopolk · Jul 10, 2020

OmerV said:
The Cabo thing is way overblown. Granted the optics weren't good, but those were planned team days off, not practice days where they were supposed to be on the practice field or working on game plans.

As for Morton and White, I hold both in high regard, and neither should be disregarded in discussions about Cowboy QB's, but in fairness they both inherited much better teams than Romo did, and neither had any sustained success beyond the year or few years after inheriting those teams. Romo, did, however, as you indicated, fail to win in the playoffs, so that's a mark against him, although as always it's fair to note that success and failure is not entirely on the QB.

I don't see what there is to forgive with any of them though. They all worked hard and played hard and came up short. It happens all the time - it's the nature of sports. Success isn't supposed to be guaranteed for anyone or any team.

I did not and am not arguing about Morton or White being on the list. I don't understand the absence of reality that would eliminate Tony Romo from this list.

1. Romo inherited Bill Parcells as head Coach in 2006, and top 10 defense then fumbled a hold snap and as a QB tried to run with the ball.
2. He then in 2007 inherited at team with and NFL RECORD !3 PRO BOWLERS in 2007. But decided to go hopping in Cabo with Jessica Rabbit taking his BFF Jason Witten.
3. That same 2007 divisional playoff game all the poster are saying that Patrick Crayton was the reason we lost. They forgot that Romo threw the ball in to double/triple coverage to end a game winning drive with 16 seconds forcing another one of his "dufuddy" explainable turnovers. Pick up the darn 1st down man. That drive started with 1:45 minutes left at the Giants 48 yard line.
4. 2008 he single handily went to Philly with playoffs on the line and 3 turnovers one for a TD losing another opportunity with last year's NFL Record 13 Pro Bowlers. Lost 44-6.

Why is Romo immune with such a preponderance of evidence that he is just as guilty of being added to this list like Jackie Smith, Craig Morton, Patrick Crayton and others? This is my main and only point.

I agree crap happens. Also, God teaches us to forgive. But don't take the new shoes I gave you and stand in the middle of herd of cows feeding and expect crap not to happen. I can not forgive you of that

Romo had a lot of crap in his career that forgiving him is hard to do just like Jackie Smith, Patrick Crayton and others. Some of these players including Romo's Cowboy career always found a way to step in the crap...

OmerV · Jul 10, 2020

eromeopolk said:
I did not and am not arguing about Morton or White being on the list. I don't understand the absence of reality that would eliminate Tony Romo from this list.

1. Romo inherited Bill Parcells as head Coach in 2006, and top 10 defense then fumbled a hold snap and as a QB tried to run with the ball.
2. He then in 2007 inherited at team with and NFL RECORD !3 PRO BOWLERS in 2007. But decided to go hopping in Cabo with Jessica Rabbit taking his BFF Jason Witten.
3. That same 2007 divisional playoff game all the poster are saying that Patrick Crayton was the reason we lost. They forgot that Romo threw the ball in to double/triple coverage to end a game winning drive with 16 seconds forcing another one of his "dufuddy" explainable turnovers. Pick up the darn 1st down man. That drive started with 1:45 minutes left at the Giants 48 yard line.
4. 2008 he single handily went to Philly with playoffs on the line and 3 turnovers one for a TD losing another opportunity with last year's NFL Record 13 Pro Bowlers. Lost 44-6.

Why is Romo immune with such a preponderance of evidence that he is just as guilty of being added to this list like Jackie Smith, Craig Morton, Patrick Crayton and others? This is my main and only point.

I agree crap happens. Also, God teaches us to forgive. But don't take the new shoes I gave you and stand in the middle of herd of cows feeding and expect crap not to happen. I can not forgive you of that

Romo had a lot of crap in his career that forgiving him is hard to do just like Jackie Smith, Patrick Crayton and others. Some of these players including Romo's Cowboy career always found a way to step in the crap...

If you think,Romo is immune from criticism you must have had your head in the sand a lot of years. He got plenty, especially early in his career when he had a tendency to throw key INTs in key games in December. And you are far from the only one that has blown up the Cabo thing.

Ultimately he, and Danny, and Morton and Jackie Smith were football players putting their heart intro the game. It’s a shame they all fell short of what we would have liked, and I’m just as sure it hurt them more than it hurt you. But they have nothing they need to be forgiven for.

Diehardblues · Jul 10, 2020

plasticman said:
Not that any ex-Cowboy player can only find redemption in my forgiveness, but there are those guys that really could have changed history by one routine play. There are those that were just in the wrong place at the wrong time with enough frequency that they destroyed a season.

The infamous include guys like Jackie Smith.....Phil Pozderic.....Craig Morton.....Joseph Randle......Chaz Green.....Dwayne Goodrich.......Babe Laufenberg.......

Which player is responsible for the gut wrenching loss or wasted season you can never forget? Here are my top 3.

Super Bowl 5 - Craig Morton, pathetic. 12-26-127-1TD-3INT....The 127 yards passing was actually his best performance of the three playoff games that postseason. He could throw long but he had zero touch and absolute zero escapability

Super Bowl 13 - Jackie Smith, no explanation needed.

1990 season - Babe Laufenberg. The Cowboys had their own destiny in their hands when they peaked late in the 1990 season, Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones's second.

They were on a four game winning streak when they faced the Eagles in game #15. They hit Aikman hard early in the first quarter and he was out. Enter Laufenberg who produced an 8.8 passer rating with a 36% completion rate. The defense held the Eagles to 10 offensive points when Laufenberg saved the worse for last with a pick six.

But this isn't the game that earned him notoriety. The Cowboys still would have clinched a playoff spot with a victory in game #16 against the 4-11 Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons defensive gameplan was simple, load the box against rookie RB Emmitt Smith. Laufenberg took advantage of the Falcons keying on Smith by delivering a 38.4 passer rating including 2 INT's the last one shockingly in the area of Deion Sanders. He returned it 61 yards for a TD. The Cowboys defense held the Falcons to 17 points but the Falcons shut out the Cowboys until the final minutes of the game.

Interesting perspective towards players. I don’t really hold them responsible for performances on the field. My viewpoint would be more towards personal decisions and actions which cost the team off the field.

Duanne Thomas and Hollywood Henderson for example which cost them their careers and hurt our team losing them. Michael Irvin with his escapades the week before Carolina playoff game probably cost us with those distractions. The distractions off the field in Cabo probably cost us. Those are a few examples. Elliott cost us in 2017 is another.

Red Dragon · Jul 10, 2020

Another factor with Irvin is that his misbehavior and antics played a huge role in the Cowboys taking Greg Ellis instead of Randy Moss. Sure, Irvin wasn't the only one partying, but he was the most notorious of the 1990s Cowboys for bad behavior. Had he stayed on the straight and narrow we could have seen the most potent WR duo in league history from 1998-2001, assuming that in this butterfly-effect scenario Irvin's neck doesn't get injured in Philly.

Big_D · Jul 10, 2020

Red Dragon said:
Another factor with Irvin is that his misbehavior and antics played a huge role in the Cowboys taking Greg Ellis instead of Randy Moss. Sure, Irvin wasn't the only one partying, but he was the most notorious of the 1990s Cowboys for bad behavior. Had he stayed on the straight and narrow we could have seen the most potent WR duo in league history from 1998-2001, assuming that in this butterfly-effect scenario Irvin's neck doesn't get injured in Philly.

and they don’t give up 2 firsts for a 29 year old WR. That whole scenario makes Jerry an even bigger buffoon!

MapleLeaf · Jul 10, 2020

Septien. Enuf said.

OmerV · Jul 10, 2020

davidyee said:
Septien. Enuf said.

And Rentzel.

DFWJC · Jul 10, 2020

glimmerman said:
Optics were really bad. And we lost. The giants WR did something similar and they lost. Lol. Stay at home guys and girls...

dckid · Jul 10, 2020

eromeopolk said:
You are right to list Romo as a ex Cowboy you find hard to forgive.

Don't try to argue with a fool. He has expert experience in a area you do not of being, saying and doing foolish things.

Romo wasted an NFL record 13 Pro Bowler in 2007 because he wanted to go hopping in Cabo with Jessica Rabbit instead of preparing. He is as guilty as OBJ hanging out in Miami before a playoff game. Romo had numerous chances with numerous winning possibilities and did not deliver. Why he is considered better than Danny White and Craig Morton who actually got the Cowboys to NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl is beyond reasonable and prudent thought.

So don't try to argue with the expert view and experience of a fool.

Thanks Bro.
That is all I am saying.. I never thought our fan base would have a love affair with guys who have never won when it counted.
Think about this, the Cowboys made 8 out of the first 30 SB's, 20 straight winning seasons, America's team. The name was well deserved. This franchise got that name from consistently winning. A team that had to grind and then finally break through.
There is some weird Stockholm syndrome obsession a portion of fans have with Romo. He was a good player, I admit it. He was never really in the conversation as elite during his era. It's not personal. He was good when you needed elite to win.
Our fan base after 25 years of mediocrity now has to glam on to good football players. In the past our Football heroes were superstars.
I am early 40s so I cant give you all the 70's details, but I know the names, Landry, Randy White, Dorsett, Staubach, Lilly,Harvey Martin, Ed Jones, going to the Triplets.... now our memorable guy is Romo.

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