In 8 days 3 hours from this post, the Dak contract window ends!

acr731 · Jul 10, 2020

cowboyed said:
I kindly disagree. Jerry Jones the owner/gm has always been driven to win. He and Stephen Jones, executive vice-president, just didn't know how to optimally adapt and win in the salary cap and free agency era to date, in a consistent, dominant fashion. Jerry full well appreciates the importance of being a post season caliber football team and winning the Super Bowl. It adds value to your franchise not only financially but also significantly radiates your brand, setting it apart from most others.

Jerry intentionally throwing a season away would be sports sacrilegious. You may not be aware that Jerry was an all-Southwest conference offensive lineman and co-captain of the 1964 championship Arkansas Razorbacks team back in the day. So he is not only business competitive but also football competitive on a personal level.

Jerry if anything is an optimist to a fault. Jerry got tired of going through head coaches and stubbornly hung on to the notion that Garrett over time would become a great coach and lead the Cowboys to the promised land. Under Garrett there were teasing seasons where it appeared that he was on his way to becoming a great head coach but he hit his ceiling and players and coaching staff stopped buying into "the process".

The hiring of McCarthy as head coach is the absolute step in the right direction particularly since he is getting what he wants player and coaching personnel wise. McCarthy knows how to win and he has plenty of motivation to make the Cowboys elite and himself great again.

Jerry likely wants to pass away on a winning note with the Cowboys winning the Super Bowl or at the very least the team being in the position to do so.

If you haven't seen the video, you need to google the video of Jerry drunkenly admitting the real reason why he hired Parcells. It is very clear in the video that Jerry wasn't trying build a winner, he needed a coach of Parcells' status to appease the masses because he wanted a new stadium. Jerry desperately wanted to build Jerry World and needed (more like wanted, he certainly didn't need) tax money and support from the community. The only way he was going to get that was to show he was committed to bringing winning football back to the DFW area. In steps Parcells, a proven winner, and a few years later Jerry World is born.

It didn't take long for Jerry to revert back to his old ways (if they were even shelved), and what we were left with was 10 years of the useless Garrett project.

Watch that video and tell us you truly believe Jerry is 100% committed to winning and nothing else. The video shows Jerry is only in this for himself, and the 10 years wasted allowing Garrett to pretend to be a real HC cements it.

glimmerman · Jul 10, 2020

Still plenty of time. I haven’t heard any news on them talking yet. But it’s likey one phone call or meeting away. I think the deal was in place last year and after the fins game Daks agent upped the numbers. Now that mahomes got his deal JJ is probly looking at the numbers. I suspect 1 last shot before talks stop..

AbeBeta · Jul 10, 2020

glimmerman said:
Still plenty of time. I haven’t heard any news on them talking yet. But it’s likey one phone call or meeting away. I think the deal was in place last year and after the fins game Daks agent upped the numbers. Now that mahomes got his deal JJ is probly looking at the numbers. I suspect 1 last shot before talks stop..

It has always been about length.

Dak is right on this. Longer needs to mean a higher yearly average. The way QB pay is going, Dak wants to be able to get that 3rd contract after 4 years. Let's say we are offering 40 mill a year. Dak wants 4-160. Team wants 6-240. To get to 6 years you'd likely have to add another 40 mill to the deal to make up for what he stands to lose on the 3rd contract. Either that and go with 5 years with the salary and cap hit so high in that 5th year that it forces a decision to either cut or extend

Sydla · Jul 10, 2020

First 5 years of the "extension" portion of Mahomes contract results in $192MM (average 38.4MM) in cash being paid to Mahomes, $156MM (average 39MM) over the first four years.

There's the ceiling for Dak's contract in terms of AAV. In no way should the Cowboys be paying Dak more than what Mahomes gets over the first 5 years of his extension period. So all this talk of $40MM AAV is preposterous, Dak should be in the 35-36MM range, max.

Whyjerry · Jul 10, 2020

Dallas without Dak but with Garrett was really scary. Dallas without Dak but with McCarthy is not.

I don’t know what will happen but I believe it is McCarthy that is pulling the lever. As dumb a football guy as Jerry is he knows McCarthy is a great QB guy. Mike either thinks he can win with Dak or he doesn’t. In my opinion that is the final determinant if what ultimately gets done.

glimmerman · Jul 10, 2020

AbeBeta said:
It has always been about length.

Dak is right on this. Longer needs to mean a higher yearly average. The way QB pay is going, Dak wants to be able to get that 3rd contract after 4 years. Let's say we are offering 40 mill a year. Dak wants 4-160. Team wants 6-240. To get to 6 years you'd likely have to add another 40 mill to the deal to make up for what he stands to lose on the 3rd contract. Either that and go with 5 years with the salary and cap hit so high in that 5th year that it forces a decision to either cut or extend

I was hearing that he wants 4 years. JJ wanted 5 so Daks agent wanted 45 million for the 5th year. That’s where it stalled. So sounds like the first 4 years money average was ok with both sides.

My understanding is the current offer was around 36, it was said that the contract at the time would have made him the highest paid QB.

Now that mahomes got 10 years 450. Which I know the numbers are all jumbled up when you read the contract. But Daks agent is taking it to JJ as he is making 45 a year so now Dak wants 40.

If that happens then it’s gonna cause separation, it has to. I know it’s a business but when Dak looks at Elliot being paid and Cooper being paid and he isn’t then it’s gotta be bad blood there.

I wish they would ALL get together and sit down. I know SJ called D-Law on the phone and got it worked out. Not sure that legal but they did. Dak can’t expect to get mahomes money. You have to help bring in a SB ring. I am not sure how much JJ will throw on the pile for one last offer but guessing he will fold a little.

glimmerman · Jul 10, 2020

Sydla said:
First 5 years of the "extension" portion of Mahomes contract results in $192MM (average 38.4MM) in cash being paid to Mahomes, $156MM (average 39MM) over the first four years.

There's the ceiling for Dak's contract in terms of AAV. In no way should the Cowboys be paying Dak more than what Mahomes gets over the first 5 years of his extension period. So all this talk of $40MM AAV is preposterous, Dak should be in the 35-36MM range, max.

I agree. I think JJ gives in and goes 37 a year. My understanding is 36 is on the table now and they argue over the 5th year. If I am JJ then drop the 5th year and get your guy.

AbeBeta · Jul 10, 2020

glimmerman said:
I was hearing that he wants 4 years. JJ wanted 5 so Daks agent wanted 45 million for the 5th year. That’s where it stalled. So sounds like the first 4 years money average was ok with both sides.

My understanding is the current offer was around 36, it was said that the contract at the time would have made him the highest paid QB.

Now that mahomes got 10 years 450. Which I know the numbers are all jumbled up when you read the contract. But Daks agent is taking it to JJ as he is making 45 a year so now Dak wants 40.

If that happens then it’s gonna cause separation, it has to. I know it’s a business but when Dak looks at Elliot being paid and Cooper being paid and he isn’t then it’s gotta be bad blood there.

I wish they would ALL get together and sit down. I know SJ called D-Law on the phone and got it worked out. Not sure that legal but they did. Dak can’t expect to get mahomes money. You have to help bring in a SB ring. I am not sure how much JJ will throw on the pile for one last offer but guessing he will fold a little.

Stalling over a 9 mill difference?

morat1959 · Jul 10, 2020

viman96 said:
Maybe you will miss Dak as well. Many here complained about Romo and missed him after he was gone. Until you know who replaces Dak you have no idea how happy you will be with the next QB. We do know the JAG bus driver QBs that played in 2015 struggled to score TDs. Neither Romo or Dak has issues putting points on the board.

Wrong! Will never miss Dak. He doesn’t score points vs good teams. For a lot of us, not having a snowballs chance in hell of going to the SB is no different than 8-8 or 0-16. Our search will continue for the right QB after he’s gone. Don’t think MM doesn’t see Dak isn’t the answer.

glimmerman · Jul 10, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Stalling over a 9 mill difference?

Maybe JJ don’t think he is worth it yet.

wentz was apart of a SB team. Makes less than 36 a year.

goff was in a SB but lost and played poorly. Makes less than 36 a year.

wilson won a SB. Makes less than 36 a year.

Daks agent is wanting a lot for a QB that hasnt been to a SB. The current market was made by SB QBs.

mahomes got paid but spread it out over 12 years. And he wont sniff the second half of that contract.

Sydla · Jul 10, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Stalling over a 9 mill difference?

It defeats the purpose of the Cowboys wanting that 5th year if they agree to pay him $45MM in that 5th year.

If Dak signs a 4 year, $160MM contract, he'll earn more cash over his four years than Mahomes will in the first four years of his extension period, 2022-2025 (even more if you start with the 2020-2023 range).

Mahomes will make $156MM over the first four years of his extension. Dak should slot in around $140-145MM if he wants that 4 year deal.

EDIT - I may have the math wrong, Mahomes might only pocket $150MM over the first four years of his extension.

glimmerman · Jul 10, 2020

Sydla said:
It defeats the purpose of the Cowboys wanting that 5th year if they agree to pay him $45MM in that 5th year.

If Dak signs a 4 year, $160MM contract, he'll earn more cash over his four years than Mahomes will in the first four years of his extension period, 2022-2025 (even more if you start with the 2020-2023 range).

Mahomes will make $156MM over the next four years. Dak should slot in around $140-145MM if he wants that 4 year deal.

Which puts him in the zone of the current offer. And is more than wilson ( A SB winning QB, would have won 2 if he just handed the ball off) is making. More than a fair offer. His agent is so worried about him making more than he should in the beginning so later in the contract he is still current with the market. It’s costing Dak money. He would have made 36 million last year instead of 2. And would be entering his second year of the contract already. Tell me how he is going to make that 34 million up. By asking for 4 more per year over 4 years is only 16 million if JJ wants a 5th year he will gouge him for a extra 5 million. Forcing JJ back to the table. They have to realize this is a flat out deal and not a extension. Comes straight off the cap doesn’t it.

viman96 · Jul 10, 2020

morat1959 said:
Wrong! Will never miss Dak. He doesn’t score points vs good teams.

I could easily counter this but then you would just backpedal and add additional qualifiers to justify how the points were scored.

Rockport · Jul 10, 2020

acr731 said:
If you haven't seen the video, you need to google the video of Jerry drunkenly admitting the real reason why he hired Parcells. It is very clear in the video that Jerry wasn't trying build a winner, he needed a coach of Parcells' status to appease the masses because he wanted a new stadium. Jerry desperately wanted to build Jerry World and needed (more like wanted, he certainly didn't need) tax money and support from the community. The only way he was going to get that was to show he was committed to bringing winning football back to the DFW area. In steps Parcells, a proven winner, and a few years later Jerry World is born.

It didn't take long for Jerry to revert back to his old ways (if they were even shelved), and what we were left with was 10 years of the useless Garrett project.

Watch that video and tell us you truly believe Jerry is 100% committed to winning and nothing else. The video shows Jerry is only in this for himself, and the 10 years wasted allowing Garrett to pretend to be a real HC cements it.

Lets be real now. That was "a" reason, not the only reason.

Cowfan75 · Jul 10, 2020

cowboyed said:
I kindly disagree. Jerry Jones the owner/gm has always been driven to win. He and Stephen Jones, executive vice-president, just didn't know how to optimally adapt and win in the salary cap and free agency era to date, in a consistent, dominant fashion. Jerry full well appreciates the importance of being a post season caliber football team and winning the Super Bowl. It adds value to your franchise not only financially but also significantly radiates your brand, setting it apart from most others.

Jerry intentionally throwing a season away would be sports sacrilegious. You may not be aware that Jerry was an all-Southwest conference offensive lineman and co-captain of the 1964 championship Arkansas Razorbacks team back in the day. So he is not only business competitive but also football competitive on a personal level.

Jerry if anything is an optimist to a fault. Jerry got tired of going through head coaches and stubbornly hung on to the notion that Garrett over time would become a great coach and lead the Cowboys to the promised land. Under Garrett there were teasing seasons where it appeared that he was on his way to becoming a great head coach but he hit his ceiling and players and coaching staff stopped buying into "the process".

The hiring of McCarthy as head coach is the absolute step in the right direction particularly since he is getting what he wants player and coaching personnel wise. McCarthy knows how to win and he has plenty of motivation to make the Cowboys elite and himself great again.

Jerry likely wants to pass away on a winning note with the Cowboys winning the Super Bowl or at the very least the team being in the position to do so.

I'm aware of Jerry's youthful days, and I'm sure he would love to win, and win all the time...his way. These "teasing seasons" were not evidence that Garrett was near, but rather we had SB quality talent that couldn't get it done with a fake head coach. I would think it's highly unlikely Jerry thought Garrett was a coach that could take us to the SB, after having to fire him as OC. Garrett's "process" was let the players go out and be better than the other guy; there was never a process to buy into from the start. But Garrett said the right the things and gave Jerry the spotlight. Hence the last decade. And you mentioned a SB adding value to the team. THAT is what matters to Jerry. Money and allure, and he has both forever with this team, SB or 8-8.

cowboyed · Jul 10, 2020

acr731 said:
If you haven't seen the video, you need to google the video of Jerry drunkenly admitting the real reason why he hired Parcells. It is very clear in the video that Jerry wasn't trying build a winner, he needed a coach of Parcells' status to appease the masses because he wanted a new stadium. Jerry desperately wanted to build Jerry World and needed (more like wanted, he certainly didn't need) tax money and support from the community. The only way he was going to get that was to show he was committed to bringing winning football back to the DFW area. In steps Parcells, a proven winner, and a few years later Jerry World is born.

It didn't take long for Jerry to revert back to his old ways (if they were even shelved), and what we were left with was 10 years of the useless Garrett project.

Watch that video and tell us you truly believe Jerry is 100% committed to winning and nothing else. The video shows Jerry is only in this for himself, and the 10 years wasted allowing Garrett to pretend to be a real HC cements it.

I will check it out.

cowboyed · Jul 10, 2020

blueblood70 said:
get out of my head..agree

to add to it hes done this before with Parcells and parcells burned him IMO, quitting for no reason suddenly left him in the lurch and jerry's hiring of a Garett is comfort and hope he doesnt get burned again and why he stayed with JG far past its shelf life....hopefully MM does and finishes what parcells did not..Parcells truly helped get us out of a hole but really only going halfway really set back Witten and Romos career, 3 more years under parcells and im betting we have a SB win..

LOL, get out of my head...

AbeBeta · Jul 10, 2020

Sydla said:
It defeats the purpose of the Cowboys wanting that 5th year if they agree to pay him $45MM in that 5th year.

If Dak signs a 4 year, $160MM contract, he'll earn more cash over his four years than Mahomes will in the first four years of his extension period, 2022-2025 (even more if you start with the 2020-2023 range).

Mahomes will make $156MM over the first four years of his extension. Dak should slot in around $140-145MM if he wants that 4 year deal.

EDIT - I may have the math wrong, Mahomes might only pocket $150MM over the first four years of his extension.

Any Mahomes argument over X years is irrelevant as his rookie deal runs another 2 years.

AbeBeta · Jul 10, 2020

Sydla said:
It defeats the purpose of the Cowboys wanting that 5th year if they agree to pay him $45MM in that 5th year.

If Dak signs a 4 year, $160MM contract, he'll earn more cash over his four years than Mahomes will in the first four years of his extension period, 2022-2025 (even more if you start with the 2020-2023 range).

Mahomes will make $156MM over the first four years of his extension. Dak should slot in around $140-145MM if he wants that 4 year deal.

EDIT - I may have the math wrong, Mahomes might only pocket $150MM over the first four years of his extension.

So drop the 5th year. Problem solved.

Bigtex67 · Jul 10, 2020

morat1959 said:
If he’s gone...we’ll stop complaining.

Morat, you are half right.....those that wanted him gone will rejoice and the other half will complain that he wither should have taken less money or that the FO screwed it up again.....Either way...he will be discussed for at least 1 year past him leaving.

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