In 8 days 3 hours from this post, the Dak contract window ends!

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Morat, you are half right.....those that wanted him gone will rejoice and the other half will complain that he wither should have taken less money or that the FO screwed it up again.....Either way...he will be discussed for at least 1 year past him leaving.
the Dallas cowboy QB has been topic of discussion both favorable and unfavorable since Troy Aikman left.
 

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Any Mahomes argument over X years is irrelevant as his rookie deal runs another 2 years.

Then just add up the money he'll make in the first four years of the extension portion of his contract. You are proposing Dak make more than Mahomes over a 4 year period.
 

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So drop the 5th year. Problem solved.

Problem not solved. Dallas wants the 5th year for cap purposes. Why are we supposed to just agree with Dak's stance here?

In terms of dollars, Mahomes will pocket X and Y over the first 4 and 5 years of the extension portion of his new commitment. Dak's contract should not exceed that. So if Mahomes will make $150MM over the first four years of the extension portion of his contract, then no, Dak shouldn't be asking for (or get) $160MM.
 

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You may not be aware that Jerry was an all-Southwest conference offensive lineman and co-captain of the 1964 championship Arkansas Razorbacks team back in the day. So he is not only business competitive but also football competitive on a personal level.

Jerry Jpnes was never an All-SWC guard any of his years at Arkansas. Yes, he started his senior season. Yes, he played on a team that won the national title in 1964. He was not an All-SWC player. Also, he was a co-captain of the team, but so was every other senior player on Arkansas that year.

I in no way diminish his accomplishments on the football field as a player - he accomplished more playing than pretty much any other owner in quite some time. His football competitiveness as an owner, however, is couched much more in how he can be perceived as the driving force behind a winning team rather than being a participant in it. Jones wants to win and receive all of the credit for it. It's his fatal flaw as an owner.

Barry Switzer had a quote on his desk that read, "There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit." Jerry Jones would be best served reading and adhering to those words.
 

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Then just add up the money he'll make in the first four years of the extension portion of his contract. You are proposing Dak make more than Mahomes over a 4 year period.

With the signing bonus that's 160 mill over four years. Now how is that less than 37.8 mill average yearly on 4 years at 36 mill and 1 at 45?
 

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Problem not solved. Dallas wants the 5th year for cap purposes. Why are we supposed to just agree with Dak's stance here?

In terms of dollars, Mahomes will pocket X and Y over the first 4 and 5 years of the extension portion of his new commitment. Dak's contract should not exceed that. So if Mahomes will make $150MM over the first four years of the extension portion of his contract, then no, Dak shouldn't be asking for (or get) $160MM.

1. You are leaving out the signing bonus on Mahomes. It's 160 with that.

2. If reports are correct of a 36 mill per with 45 in the last year on a 5 year deal, that's 189 over 5 years. Mahomes will make over 200 mill in that 5 year period.

3. it is very little commitment-wise for the team to meet those terms as that year would not be guaranteed.
 

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Jerry Jpnes was never an All-SWC guard any of his years at Arkansas. Yes, he started his senior season. Yes, he played on a team that won the national title in 1964. He was not an All-SWC player. Also, he was a co-captain of the team, but so was every other senior player on Arkansas that year.

I in no way diminish his accomplishments on the football field as a player - he accomplished more playing than pretty much any other owner in quite some time. His football competitiveness as an owner, however, is couched much more in how he can be perceived as the driving force behind a winning team rather than being a participant in it. Jones wants to win and receive all of the credit for it. It's his fatal flaw as an owner.

Barry Switzer had a quote on his desk that read, "There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit." Jerry Jones would be best served reading and adhering to those words.

Jerry had to be deserving as a quality college football player and with leadership ability to some extent. I didn't state he was the only accomplished player on the Razorbacks. My point is Jerry has always had a passion for football and winning. He tasted ultimate Superbowl successes early in his ownership. No doubt he was full of pee and vinegar for quite some time thereafter.

Whatever credit grabbing situations they didn't didn't stop him from getting inducted into the Hall of Fame.

So I doubt he would be best served reading and adhering to those quotes on Switzer's desk. It's not like Jerry was chanting every day I am the greatest like Muhammad Ali in his prime. He has also admitted to not being a great general manager and if he wasn't the owner he would have fired himself. And yes he has acknowledged the contributions of coaches and players to the team. Anyone that buys a team, helps build it and views themselves as the main driving force of their franchise. Some owners like to work behind the scenes, some in the scene. He will be 78 years of age this year. I don't think he has the nerve or energy to roam the sidelines again.

Jerry is just a figure head in the GM position and at this juncture and at his age he still wants to be relevant. Oh the horror.

I think his biggest mistake has been overstaying in the GM position. As multi-business owner how can you not be diverted from those responsibilities and be objective enough in that role when you have mistake immunity.

I think a change at GM will be coming. In a nutshell Jerry deserves some credit as GM, more so as owner, but overall we likely would have been better off with an outside the family talented GM over the past 2 decades.
 
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Looks like Dak is going to play on the tag this year...……..problem is that if Dallas wants to tag him again next year its going to be close to $40 million. In fact, the Commanders are the only franchise to tag a QB in back to back years.

Its just not feasible to do that, especially if the cap goes down next year with revenue plummeting this year due to Covid.

So I think Dak might be an UFA next year and probably leaves. Some will be happy, some will be sad.

Truth is, a lot of posters have never forgiven Dak for taking Romo's job. They want Dak to fail or be off the team altogether, either way is good.
 

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Looks like Dak is going to play on the tag this year...……..problem is that if Dallas wants to tag him again next year its going to be close to $40 million. In fact, the Commanders are the only franchise to tag a QB in back to back years.

Its just not feasible to do that, especially if the cap goes down next year with revenue plummeting this year due to Covid.

So I think Dak might be an UFA next year and probably leaves. Some will be happy, some will be sad.

Truth is, a lot of posters have never forgiven Dak for taking Romo's job. They want Dak to fail or be off the team altogether, either way is good.

Unless Jerry gets coronavirus and in a dazed viral slur gives Dak a contract the tag pretty much stamps Dak passport out of Dallas for the following season.
No biggie here as expectations that Dak will all of sudden turn into a franchise QB this coming season beating up good defenses with his passing skills are pretty much non-existent!
4 days to go and it ain't looking good for Dak.
P.S.His career after Dallas will be dismal following his talent base.

P.S. Romo is a non-issue we want to WIN and 9-7....10-6 and 8-8 with all that talent ain't making the grade for this Dak friendly offense which falls apart against teams with winning records!
 
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Looks like Dak is going to play on the tag this year...……..problem is that if Dallas wants to tag him again next year its going to be close to $40 million. In fact, the Commanders are the only franchise to tag a QB in back to back years.

There's a difference. I don't think the Commanders actually wanted to give him a long term deal. The Cowboys want to retain Dak. There's not going to be a second tag for Dak, I don't know why people keep bringing that up. The hold up is supposedly for years. The reason for that is cap hit. So for the same reason Jerry doesn't want to commit to a 4 year deal will be the same reason he doesn't tag him a second time. It's a no brainer. He either signs this year or next year. But there won't be a second tag.
 

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Looks like Dak is going to play on the tag this year...……..problem is that if Dallas wants to tag him again next year its going to be close to $40 million. In fact, the Commanders are the only franchise to tag a QB in back to back years.

Its just not feasible to do that, especially if the cap goes down next year with revenue plummeting this year due to Covid.

So I think Dak might be an UFA next year and probably leaves. Some will be happy, some will be sad.

Truth is, a lot of posters have never forgiven Dak for taking Romo's job. They want Dak to fail or be off the team altogether, either way is good.
to me i think that if dak is not signed to a long term deal by wed he will play under the tag this year and move on next year something has happened between him and the cowboys i dont know what it is but something has changed
 

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to me i think that if dak is not signed to a long term deal by wed he will play under the tag this year and move on next year something has happened between him and the cowboys i dont know what it is but something has changed
I remember hearing this before Romo signed one of his contracts. I know that JJ didn’t want to draft him. He wanted to move up in the 4th and get someone else. I am sure Dak knows that.

His agent makes things worse than it is. They had a deal until after the first 3 games we won last year. Then the agent pulled out, so that had to upset JJ.
 

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Looks like Dak is going to play on the tag this year...……..problem is that if Dallas wants to tag him again next year its going to be close to $40 million. In fact, the Commanders are the only franchise to tag a QB in back to back years.

Its just not feasible to do that, especially if the cap goes down next year with revenue plummeting this year due to Covid.

So I think Dak might be an UFA next year and probably leaves. Some will be happy, some will be sad.

Truth is, a lot of posters have never forgiven Dak for taking Romo's job. They want Dak to fail or be off the team altogether, either way is good.


Tag again next year will cost approx 37.7M, giving the Cowboys a 2 year average of approx 34.5m, that is how they would look at it if they had to tag him again, but that won't happen if the cap as reported is going to probably go down next year due to covid, which means even on a long term deal at best Dak would be offerred what he was offerred this season, that is just a fact due to the probable cap situation that is going to happen
 

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I remember hearing this before Romo signed one of his contracts. I know that JJ didn’t want to draft him. He wanted to move up in the 4th and get someone else. I am sure Dak knows that.

His agent makes things worse than it is. They had a deal until after the first 3 games we won last year. Then the agent pulled out, so that had to upset JJ.


Yup
 
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