Andy Dalton is a quality QB

glimmerman said:

How many other back ups are better..

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None.

Maybe Cam, but I'm not convinced that he's not done.

Best backups in the NFL, in no particular order: Dalton, Brissett, Winston, Keenum, Foles

kskboys said:

None.

Maybe Cam, but I'm not convinced that he's not done.

Best backups in the NFL, in no particular order: Dalton, Brissett, Winston, Keenum, Foles

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Didn’t know foles was available. Interesting.

glimmerman said:

Didn’t know foles was available. Interesting.

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He is? Wouldn't be surprised, they keep paying him as a starter even though he's clearly been a high quality backup most of his career. When did the Bears release him?

jterrell said:

None of that is true.
You used the "well what about YAC?" argument in the midst of an "I am not Dak Hater I swear, I just dress like them" soliloquy.
Lemme guess, you are also good friends with Dak's biggest fan?

YAC has very little to do with QB AT ALL.
As is, it is a small % of Dak's total passing yardage because he was the 2nd best deep ball passer in the NFL in 2019.
As that has been covered on this board many times anyone who doesn't know that willfully lied to themselves.

YAC is largely determined by the player receiving the ball and the offense they play in.

Take YAC away from Brees and he looks very blah. Because that is the offense they run. Quick and wide.
Same offense Brady ran for years in NE.

Dak had a solid YAC output in 2019, largely because Zeke, Gallup and Amari are good after the catch and he threw for a ton of yards but his % of YAC to passing yardage was middle of the road because he was so high in air yards. --this means he threw the ball farther per pass than other QBs.

You are still lying to yourself here and wasting my time so I'll just you on ignore and keep it moving.

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In your penchant to pick fights and be a complete jack@ ss......you missed that is exactly what I said...and I quote "not just Dak but ANY QB".
I wanted us to look at the stats. Not beech about Dak.
And like I told roy...find me ONE time where I unreasonablly crapped on Dak. JUST ONE. Where I said he sucks...hopes he gets traded or injured like a few have said of Zeke. Asking about YAC.....for both QB's in the discussion...is most assuredly NOT one.

Find one legit one or just ****. Roy has yet to find one and neither will you....so ya.... ****.

Cowboy Lover said:

Give me an example of cutting Dak to defend zeke replying to you. I'll send you 10 dollars if you find...say 3 times? Or maybe even 2? 1?

I rarely talk Dak trash, if ever. I don't think he's perfect...just like Zeke isn't. Dak has made some terrible throws....god awful. And I did recently..politely... ask how many YAC his receivers get. No knock...just stat crunching. Again...I'll send you 5 bucks if you give me an example of an unreasonable "hate" cutting of Dak.

"A few points"...that is the very definition of cherry picking.

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Nothing yet, eh roy?

Cowboy Lover said:

In your penchant to pick fights and be a complete jack@ ss......you missed that is exactly what I said...and I quote "not just Dak but ANY QB".
I wanted us to look at the stats. Not beech about Dak.
And like I told roy...find me ONE time where I unreasonablly crapped on Dak. JUST ONE. Where I said he sucks...hopes he gets traded or injured like a few have said of Zeke. Asking about YAC.....for both QB's in the discussion...is most assuredly NOT one.

Find one legit one or just ****. Roy has yet to find one and neither will you....so ya.... ****.

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You need to understand how hurt their feelings get anytime there is even the hint of critisism when talking about Dak. Personally i would like to be a share holder in the company that sells Dak pajamas cause i'm sure i would be pretty rich right now with all the guys on this site who wear them

Northern_Cowboy said:

You need to understand how hurt their feelings get anytime there is even the hint of critisism when talking about Dak. Personally i would like to be a share holder in the company that sells Dak pajamas cause i'm sure i would be pretty rich right now with all the guys on this site who where them

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I really can't believe he's going off on me just asking about YAC. From a different thread even. What a lunatic.

I dared roy to find one unreasonable comment by me, for money even.....he's yet to reply. Neither will this one.

I wish you silly spatters would take your arguments to PM's or something.

kskboys said:

He is? Wouldn't be surprised, they keep paying him as a starter even though he's clearly been a high quality backup most of his career. When did the Bears release him?

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Not sure. But he can draw big money. He won a SB. I think wentz is still having a problem with it. Well maybe not since he got the big contract after it was all done. Lol. They have a QB issue worse than ours after spending a high draft pick on a QB..

Still with the bears. 3 years 24 million but got a 4 year 88 million dollar deal in 2019 from the jags then traded for a 4th round pick to the bears and restructured the deal some how.

glimmerman said:

Not sure. But he can draw big money. He won a SB. I think wentz is still having a problem with it. Well maybe not since he got the big contract after it was all done. Lol. They have a QB issue worse than ours after spending a high draft pick on a QB..

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I'm thinking the days of Foles getting big contracts may be finally over. He's failed continually since his super bowl win in 17. And now, at the age of 31, surely teams have now see it? He may start for the Bears, though.

kskboys said:

I'm thinking the days of Foles getting big contracts may be finally over. He's failed continually since his super bowl win in 17. And now, at the age of 31, surely teams have now see it? He may start for the Bears, though.

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Yeah looking at his contracts since then he got 4 years and 88 million from the jags only to get traded the bears for a 3 year 24 million there. The bears have a out after this year so they may dump him. He fell into the right place at the right time with a coach that put a great game plan together for him. For basically 2 games, a playoff game and a SB.

kskboys said:

I wish you silly spatters would take your arguments to PM's or something.

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No kidding!

I feel like a silly splatter...for getting into this ridiculous splat. Over nothing...sheesh.

Ranching said:

In my opinion, Andy is a quality QB. I like Dak and I believe he will be a Cowboy for a long time. However, I've been an Andy fan for years. Here's my question, if Dak doesn't sign an extension and struggles a bit early in the season, how long until,
1. The fans start yelling for Dalton?
2. How long until MM or Jerry pull the plug on Dak?

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Ranching--- i am still in ICU over the Garrett era.....but soon i hope to dawn same shirt....i was really happy when we got Dalton....he has to be the best back up in NFL and Cowboys wont skip a beat if he plays

ConstantReboot said:

I agree with you there. I really think they want Dak as a long term solution. But there is uncertainty with Dak. When you want to sign is short term contract so you can resign for even a higher contract after 4 to 5 years it seems to put Dak putting money first before the team.

The way this contract situation is being dragged out to the very last minute, I just think Dak may want to get all the money he can from Dallas and leave for a better contract with another team.

Dak should be that the Cowboys like him and think much of him. However, if Dak wants to hold out and not budge to compromise on his deal, I think Dalton is a capable replacement and might surprise. Dalton signing with Dallas, whether it's planned or not, does give the Cowboys a bit of leverage of Dak. He might want to think twice about holding out for a year. He might never get his position back as Cowboys QB.

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First off Prescott signed his tag offer and said he will be there when camp starts so this idea of yours that Prescott may sit out is coming from someone who hasn't been keeping up with the news, even when that news is over 2 weeks old. Next prior to the medical condition in this country and Mahomes signing it was the trend in the NFL for players to sign shorter contracts now so they would be able to take advantage of the new TV contracts. It is so hypocritical for people to say that there is something wrong with a player that is trying to get the best deal for he and his family when if they are being honest that they would try to get the best wage the can get in their job. Gee I just don't agree that thinking of your family a head of your job is wrong. Lastly most sports people say the hardest position in all of sports is playing QB so teams don't just cut their starting QB for an unproven QB unless there is a reason. Those reason are that QB is no longer a quality starting QB and not playing like he did when he was or they finally realize that the QB isn't as good as they thought he would be or the QB becomes injury prone. Whatever the reason is teams don't just cut QUALITY starting QB's. Dalton was signed as a 1 season insurance policy against an injury to Prescott. Teams don't get QUALITY starting QB for a measly 3 mil a year.
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DandyDon52 said:

I imagine dalton was signed mostly to be bkup, but about your questions, the thing is they know what they have in dak, after 4 years watching him play.
With Dalton, they dont know what he would be like with this team right now, it would be all speculation.
The jones boys like Dak to a point, but his refusal of their offers, may cause them to rethink things.

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Lets see most sports people say that playing QB is the hardest position to play in all of sports so going by your thinking in 2018 when the Cowboys tagged Lawrence who is not a QB but was then thought by many around the league as one of the best DE in the league and he played 2018 on the tag offer so they should have just said we like Lawrence to a point but we're going to have to let him go after the season. But wait, they tagged him again in 2019 and then days later got him signed to a long term deal. Jerry and Stephen don't just like Prescott to a point, they think he is they're franchise long term QB. Now you are wrong about your idea of Jones only liking Prescott to a point just like you're wrong about they signing Dalton MOSTLY as a backup QB. Dalton WAS signed as a 1 year insurance policy against an injury to Prescott, PERIOD. Yes Jerry and Stephen have watch Prescott for 4 years now and have said MANY times how much he has improved and that he is their franchise QB for now and in the future. You need to clean your crystal ball that is telling you what Jones thinks because I think it's lying to you.
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Northern_Cowboy said:

Dalton won 50 of his 1st 76 games in the NFL that is a .657 win percentage. I bring that up because i always here how Dak is 40-24 as a starter (.625 win percentage by the way). So i ask again if Dalton is terrible then what does that make Dak?

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Dak is about to witness what a QB competition feels like . A legit QB breathing down his neck , and actually costs the franchise 10 times less than Dak . That’s a value proposition....
and no more Jason to blame for losses to the jets or not being able to throw one TD ( saints , patriots , eagles etc etc ) or the record vs quality teams 1-6 ...

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Dak is about to witness what a QB competition feels like . A legit QB breathing down his neck , and actually costs the franchise 10 times less than Dak . That’s a value proposition....
and no more Jason to blame for losses to the jets or not being able to throw one TD ( saints , patriots , eagles etc etc ) or the record vs quality teams 1-6 ...

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And now that your dream is over we are in the real world now where real NFL coaches don't let QB's that make 1/10 of what the starter makes really actually get to compete for the starting job. Those lowly paid QB's are just backup QB's. In fact the 3rd string QB gets more practice time than the backup QB because the 3rd string QB is usually the QB that plays the QB of the opposing teams formations to get the team ready to play their next opponent. I'm guessing you have that same dream quite often though.
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gjkoeppen said:

And now that your dream is over we are in the real world now where real NFL coaches don't let QB's that make 1/10 of what the starter makes really actually get to compete for the starting job. Those lowly paid QB's are just backup QB's. In fact the 3rd string QB gets more practice time than the backup QB because the 3rd string QB is usually the QB that plays the QB of the opposing teams formations to get the team ready to play their next opponent. I'm guessing you have that same dream quite often though.
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Reading in wonder of how impressed you are with Dak . Mediocrity must be your thing ... or you are just another Dak slobberer.
Back to the real world , I recall a Tony romo back up replacing a starter called Bledsoe .. how soon your memory forget . Just FYI . There are many examples but I will keep this simple for you .

Dalton lovers bring a new low to the fanbase. Embarrassing.

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Lets see most sports people say that playing QB is the hardest position to play in all of sports so going by your thinking in 2018 when the Cowboys tagged Lawrence who is not a QB but was then thought by many around the league as one of the best DE in the league and he played 2018 on the tag offer so they should have just said we like Lawrence to a point but we're going to have to let him go after the season. But wait, they tagged him again in 2019 and then days later got him signed to a long term deal. Jerry and Stephen don't just like Prescott to a point, they think he is they're franchise long term QB. Now you are wrong about #1 your idea of Jones only liking Prescott to a point just like you're wrong about they signing Dalton MOSTLY as a backup QB. Dalton WAS signed as a 1 year insurance policy against an injury to Prescott, PERIOD. Yes Jerry and Stephen have watch Prescott for 4 years now and #2 have said MANY times how much he has improved and that he is their franchise QB for now and in the future. You need to clean your crystal ball that is telling you what Jones thinks because I think it's lying to you.
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well you are misconstruing what I am saying lol.
on 2 of your points
1.by that I mean they think he is worth a certain amount, in a 5 year contract, but that is it. And prescott is contesting them on that, so
who knows where that leads.
2.The Jones boys tell untruths all the time, JG was the future at HC up until they fired him, and they said it many times.
When they make statements, it is not about the truth, it is about what they think they should say at the time, and they dont care if it is the truth or not.
There is usually a little truth mixed into to any lie they may tell. But you really cant go by what they are saying publicly.