Dak, Time to get smart

cern · Jul 11, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Why can’t Stephen get this deal done? Is this all about Dak demanding too much or is someone else calling the shots at the Star?

I actually applaud whoever hasn’t caved in to Daks demands but I suspect they will eventually.

I don't believe Stephen is at fault. Imo, the agent is the stumbling block to finalizing the deal. Dak's on the outside looking in.

Runwildboys · Jul 11, 2020

Swagger said:
Why blame the agent?

He's just doing his job. It's down to the client as they instruct the agent to act on their behalf. By using France, Prescott was basically saying, show me the money. Simple as that.

I believe agents have, in the past, been overly greedy (since they work on commission) and ended up screwing their clients.

Rockport · Jul 11, 2020

Bigdog said:
Wince did sign a 4 year contract but it was an extension that went to 5 years as it was added to his rookie contract. I just want this thing to get over and that it is fair for both sides. I like Dak not only as a qb but as a person. I just hope that he doesn’t give up all of this guarantee money and gets career injury or just stinks it up. He just appears to be a really good guy.

It will be over very soon.

landryscorner · Jul 11, 2020

If the Cowboys wanted to lock him up if would of happened already....not happening.

kskboys · Jul 11, 2020

Runwildboys said:
I believe agents have, in the past, been overly greedy (since they work on commission) and ended up screwing their clients.

Different sport, but light hitting Defensive gem catcher Maldonado turned down a 2 yr 20 mil offer from the Stros. Ended up signing for 5 mil. Fired his agent. Horrific decision not to take the Stros offer.

Funny thing, he's back w/ them now.

jaythecowboy · Jul 11, 2020

Dak hasn't lost any money yet. The Cowboys contract offer has only gone up.

Diehardblues · Jul 11, 2020

cern said:
I'm sure it did. But covid has changed the dynamics of any impending deal. If I'm Stephen, I'm not budging an inch now.

“Not budging an inch “ doesn’t appear to be negotiating in good faith. That’s basically saying here’s our offer. Take it or leave it. That’s not sound business if you’re all in on your franchise QB.

Diehardblues · Jul 11, 2020

cern said:
I don't believe Stephen is at fault. Imo, the agent is the stumbling block to finalizing the deal. Dak's on the outside looking in.

If the Cowboys are firm on their offer then I respect that but after all of their previous rhetoric on being “ all in” and “ he’s our franchise QB “ it will fall on deaf ears depending on how far apart we are after it comes out if the deal falls through.

Usually the players takes the brunt of these negotiations and holdouts but it’s yet to be seen how flexible we have been. The longer this stretches out can’t help but wonder if we are as sold or all in as they’ve mouthed off. And why I still sense we will cave in assuming we really want Dak. If not, then it will speak volumes we aren’t sold enough on him.

cern · Jul 11, 2020

Diehardblues said:
If the Cowboys are firm on their offer then I respect that but after all of their previous rhetoric on being “ all in” and “ he’s our franchise QB “ it will fall on deaf ears depending on how far apart we are after it comes out if the deal falls through.

Usually the players takes the brunt of these negotiations and holdouts but it’s yet to be seen how flexible we have been. The longer this stretches out can’t help but wonder if we are as sold or all in as they’ve mouthed off. And why I still sense we will cave in assuming we really want Dak. If not, then it will speak volumes we aren’t sold enough on him.

"All in" doesn't mean at whatever price he wants. Bad business. I doubt any offer made to dak could be considered embarrassing.

cern · Jul 11, 2020

Diehardblues said:
“Not budging an inch “ doesn’t appear to be negotiating in good faith. That’s basically saying here’s our offer. Take it or leave it. That’s not sound business if you’re all in on your franchise QB.

Making a bad deal just to get one done isn't my definition of good faith. Dak's agent is being intractable.

Diehardblues · Jul 11, 2020

cern said:
Making a bad deal just to get one done isn't my definition of good faith. Dak's agent is being intractable.

Daks agent represents him. If Dak chose poorly , that’s on him not his agent.

For the sake of argument, what’s a bad deal? Is that paying like a million or two more than you want for the guy you’re totally sold on? Or a years difference?

Do we even know how far apart we are? While I’m not for overpaying Dak. How much is over paying. I’m beginning to believe we aren’t All in on Dak.

I think Elliott, Cooper and Lawrence are all overpaid. Why wouldn’t we overpay Dak too. I could present an argument for both sides. You either want the guy or not.

Diehardblues · Jul 11, 2020

cern said:
"All in" doesn't mean at whatever price he wants. Bad business. I doubt any offer made to dak could be considered embarrassing.

I agree in principle. Personally I believe he should be in the high 20’s low 30’s range. But others feel I’m not giving Dak any respect.

But if you’re really sold or all in with Dak then what’s a couple million? 32 or35 million. What’s the difference in the longer scale of things?

And why if we don’t cave in then I’m assuming all of our mouthing off of All In was just noise. We aren’t sold on him. I would applaud.

Frozen700 · Jul 11, 2020

He isn't even that guy.

#DontpayDak

Diehardblues · Jul 11, 2020

If we don’t cave in then I’m going to assume someone convinced Jerry to go against his instincts which is either Son or Mikey.

cern · Jul 11, 2020

Diehardblues said:
If we don’t cave in then I’m going to assume someone convinced Jerry to go against his instincts which is either Son or Mikey.

Stephen does the contracts now. He's much better at it than jerry.

Diehardblues · Jul 11, 2020

cern said:
Stephen does the contracts now. He's much better at it than jerry.

Jerry’s never done contracts. That’s always been Stephens role as VP of personnel. Jerry just makes the final decision as Pres and GM.

Stephen probably has had more influence in those decisions in recent years and has Jerry’s ear but it’s not like he’s freelancing on his own or Jerry would have named him and made it official.

We just have fans who want to believe Jerry’s not as involved because there’s been some better decisions. It gives them more hope I suppose.

But we’ve had better and worse decisions all along. Stephens been a part of it all for 3 decades.

cern · Jul 11, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Jerry’s never done contracts. That’s always been Stephens role as VP of personnel. Jerry just makes the final decision as Pres and GM.

Stephen probably has had more influence in those decisions in recent years and has Jerry’s ear but it’s not like he’s freelancing on his own or Jerry would have named him and made it official.

We just have fans who want to believe Jerry’s not as involved because there’s been some better decisions. It gives them more hope I suppose.

But we’ve had better and worse decisions all along. Stephens been a part of it all for 3 decades.

This is incorrect. Jerry used to deal with vontracts until about the time ware was let go.

Redline360 · Jul 11, 2020

Dak isn't dumb. He knows he plays for the Dallas cowboys aka America's team and knows Jerry has a tendency to give in to demands.

Diehardblues · Jul 11, 2020

cern said:
This is incorrect. Jerry used to deal with vontracts until about the time ware was let go.

Jerry has had the same role all along. He’s overseen contracts all along but It was Stephens role to draw them up for his approval.

Stephens role increased with implication of Salary Cap which he’s probably been more involved with managing than Jerry.

DeaconBlues · Jul 12, 2020

kskboys said:
My first Dak thread, ever if memory serves.

Dak, can you seriously not see what this agent is doing to you? You are now appearing to be self-centered, completely eaten up w/ greed, and a guy who doesn't care a wit about the team or your teammates or any of that.

Is this the case? If it is, well OK. If this is not the case, please please please fire this bucket of self serving BS and get a real agent as Mahomes did. That is how a contract should be done, not this drawn out mess.

Dak hired Todd France specifically for his reputation to drive hard bargains. The alleged harm of appearing to be self-centered, completely eaten up w/ greed was built in hiring France.

An NFL locker room doesn't care about guy who doesn't care a wit about the team or your teammates or any of that nonsense. They will cheer on Dak not because he isn't signed; most players will hope for the same when it's their turn for a new contract.

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